Lane Keep Assist/ Forward Collision Avoidance/ Smart Cruise Control Reviews?

[randian]

Is Smart Cruise improved on the 2018s? I find that the Smart Cruise on my 2015 G80 has a couple of annoying flaws. It's very aggressive at braking for cars crossing in front of you even if they're far away. Also, if you're following a car with Smart Cruise enabled and it leaves your lane, revealing stopped cars in your lane (they might be very far away, this doesn't only happen if the stopped cars are close), the SC won't detect the stopped cars. It will keep your speed or even accelerate. If you don't manually brake the SC will happily ram those cars.

 

[KDX]

I think it's best to think of these systems as emergency interventions and not tools that allow you to tune out. Lots of data have accrued on various types of driving aids and the problem that's most often noted is that they encourage people to pay less attention and the systems can't yet do as well as an attentive driver -- not even close. But, they're great in some situations when you're distracted. My brother was driving behind me once and didn't realize the light had changed. He would have rear-ended me were it not for his automatic braking system. But he had an out-of-town visitor in the car, was focusing on them, and wasn't paying attention the way he should have been. It's for those lapses that these systems work. Don't count on it taking over for you, even briefly, if you're not paying attention to what's going on.

Best recipe is: (a) Turn the system on (or leave it on). (b) Forget you have it and drive as if you didn't. Ceding responsibility to these systems much beyond that is a formula for trouble. Of course, most people won't actually have trouble, just as most people who drive while intoxicated make it to their destination safely. But both increase risks unnecessarily.

Maybe I'm just a control freak who fears ceding his life to technology, but I am surprised by the amount of comments I see on different forums where people just want to get in their vehicles and put in the least amount of driver involvement into actually driving.

 

[EdP]

Is Smart Cruise improved on the 2018s? I find that the Smart Cruise on my 2015 G80 has a couple of annoying flaws. It's very aggressive at braking for cars crossing in front of you even if they're far away. Also, if you're following a car with Smart Cruise enabled and it leaves your lane, revealing stopped cars in your lane (they might be very far away, this doesn't only happen if the stopped cars are close), the SC won't detect the stopped cars. It will keep your speed or even accelerate. If you don't manually brake the SC will happily ram those cars.

Sounds right. They are not flaws but limitations of technology. The SCC is a computer with a sensor. It does not have a brain that sees far ahead and anticipates the way you can.

In the situation of a car moving out of the lane, the sensor tells the computer, "all clear ahead, ok to get back up to speed" until the sensor detects the car ahead. It does not see as far ahead as you do.

As for braking for the car moving across, it senses it but has not yet been able to determine what speed it is travelling so it slows you in case it is very slow or stopped. You see what the other driver is doing, the computer just knows a mass of metal moved in front of it.

It is also possible to make some adjustments to sensitivity/ From the manual:

The sensitivity of vehicle speed
when following the front vehicle to
maintain the set distance can be
adjusted. Go to the 'User Settings →
Driving Assist → SCC (Smart Cruise
Control Response) → Slow/Normal/
Fast' on the LCD display. You may
select one of the three stages you
prefer.
• Slow:
Vehicle speed following the front
vehicle to maintain the set distance
is slower than normal speed.
• Normal:
Vehicle speed following the front
vehicle to maintain the set distance
is normal
• Fast:
Vehicle speed following the front
vehicle to maintain the set distance
is faster than normal speed.

When the Smart Cruise Control
System is ON, you can set and maintain
the distance from the vehicle
ahead of you without pressing the
accelerator or brake pedal.
Each time the button is pressed, the
vehicle to vehicle distance changes
as follows:
For example, if you drive at 56 mph
(90 km/h), the distance maintain as
follows:
Distance 4 - approximately 172 feet
(52.5 m)
Distance 3 - approximately 130 feet
(40 m)
Distance 2 - approximately 106 feet
(32.5 m)
Distance 1 - approximately 82 feet
(25 m)

The Smart Cruise Control
System cannot recognize a
stopped vehicle, pedestrians
or an oncoming vehicle.
Always look ahead cautiously
to prevent unexpected and
sudden situations from occurring.
• Vehicles moving in front of
you with a frequent lane
change may cause a delay in
the system's reaction or may
cause the system to react to a
vehicle actually in an adjacent
lane. Always drive cautiously
to prevent unexpected and
sudden situations from occurring.
• Always be aware of the selected
speed and vehicle to vehicle
distance.

 

[devellis]

Maybe I'm just a control freak who fears ceding his life to technology, but I am surprised by the amount of comments I see on different forums where people just want to get in their vehicles and put in the least amount of driver involvement into actually driving.

I agree. I remember when I was a kid, big American cars used to advertise that sitting behind the wheel was like sitting in your living room. I used to wonder why anyone would consider that a good thing. I like driving a car, not merely riding in it from the driver's seat. I want as little confusion as possible between my living room and a car that I'm operating. I'd prefer that beverage holders were abolished, to be honest, and don't allow passengers to bring beverages into the car when I'm the driver. I don't make calls while in my car except in emergencies, and know the risks associated with in-car calling (four-fold increase of an accident, relative to the same conditions but without talking on the phone). I'll listen to music on the radio or recorded but I avoid the news or audio books in the car. With them, you're less willing to divert your attention elsewhere in order to catch what's being said. Not a good thing while driving. I'll save them for when I get home. With music, a missed lyric isn't a biggie, especially with the stuff I prefer listening to.

The more a car engages me in the act of driving, the better. For reasons of marital accord, I've foregone a manual transmission in my current car (have always had a stick shift since 1969 and up to 2015) and I feel the loss. I'm looking for a car, with an automatic, that will return that sense of engagement and enjoyment. I hope the G70 fits the bill.

 

[EdP]

I like driving a car, not merely riding in it from the driver's seat. I want as little confusion as possible between my living room and a car that I'm operating. I'd prefer that beverage holders were abolished, to be honest, and don't allow passengers to bring beverages into the car when I'm the driver. I don't make calls while in my car except in emergencies,

The more a car engages me in the act of driving, the better.

I can agree with most of what you say but a couple of exceptions. I have a stainless steel thermal water bottle that keep water cold for many hours. That can be very handy on a trip. I also refuse to pay $2 for a bottle of water when on the road.

I like to play with stick once in a while but for my daily driver, auto can be much nicer, especially when stuck in traffic. Auto Hold is nice then too, especially if it is a long backup.
Agree on listening to books. I'd never get the story.

 

[devellis]

I can agree with most of what you say but a couple of exceptions. I have a stainless steel thermal water bottle that keep water cold for many hours. That can be very handy on a trip. I also refuse to pay $2 for a bottle of water when on the road.

I like to play with stick once in a while but for my daily driver, auto can be much nicer, especially when stuck in traffic. Auto Hold is nice then too, especially if it is a long backup.
Agree on listening to books. I'd never get the story.

Yeah, the one time I allow drinks onboard is actually for long trips.

 

[kmooney4]

The only real automated safety feature that I like using is the Blind Spot Monitoring System... I personally don't see a car as just a "means of transportation" like Elon Musk somewhat thinks about the future of driving... I am personally a driving enthusiast who enjoys driving for driving. I always volunteer to drive whenever I go out with friends because I love it and love showing off my nice vehicle to my friends and family without speaking: just let the looks and engine speak for itself!

For that reason, I want good performance and an interior that is high quality that makes me enjoy driving my vehicle... hence the reason I am looking in the "performance & luxury segment mixed together"... I just don't understand why somebody would use advanced cruise control and "check out" when you have 365 horsies under your big toe ready to be kicked onto a back road and gallop you around like they're being whipped at the Preakness.

 

[Mcc]

I just don't understand why somebody would use advanced cruise control and "check out" when you have 365 horsies under your big toe ready to be kicked onto a back road and gallop you around like they're being whipped at the Preakness.

Maybe because some folks don’t have any back roads. If you have mostly freeways mixed with stop and go traffic you make the most of the technology you have at your disposal to make things as pleasant and pleasing (if not adrenalin pumping exciting) as possible.

 

[Afehr]

Checking out = bad; using adaptive cruise control while stuck in traffic on a freeway doing about 20mph in a 70mph zone = a much less stressful drive home. Not to mention any long highway trips on single lane roads with idiots in front of you that can't choose a speed.

 

[Truffleshuffle]

I liked going to blockbuster and renting physical copies of movies too

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[KDX]

LOL. Good luck with that.

 

[EdP]

. I just don't understand why somebody would use advanced cruise control and "check out" when you have 365 horsies under your big toe ready to be kicked onto a back road and gallop you around like they're being whipped at the Preakness.

How many long trips have you made? I mean like 600 or even 800 miles in a day? For three to five days in a row?

How many times have you been in traffic where you can only use a few little ponies and not them 365 horsies? The roads where you stay in line because there is no place to go, just follow the hundred cars ahead of you?

Try driving in other places than your back road and you will understand the benefits of it.

 

[Starflyer]

What are the manufacturers/models who have systems that work in traffic at lower speeds?

Did you ever hear the term "lawyers"? Probably the main reason for NOT have Lane Keeper work at lower speeds.

 

[Starflyer]

Christ, our Toyota does the same thing. Why on earth do they configure it this way?

Lawyers...

 

[Starflyer]

I just don't understand why somebody would use advanced cruise control and "check out" when you have 365 horsies under your big toe ready to be kicked onto a back road and gallop you around like they're being whipped at the Preakness.

I think I've seen you weaving in and out of lanes to gain 10 seconds here and 10 seconds there. You should be in a Mustang and not embarrass other Genesis owners with your "galloping".

 

[randian]

In the situation of a car moving out of the lane, the sensor tells the computer, "all clear ahead, ok to get back up to speed" until the sensor detects the car ahead. It does not see as far ahead as you do.

The problem is not that it can't see as far ahead as I can, but that when it gets within a range where it should sense the vehicle ahead it doesn't. If there was no leading car to leave my lane it will not have this problem.

 

[randian]

Did you ever hear the term "lawyers"? Probably the main reason for NOT have Lane Keeper work at lower speeds.

Probably the same reason the cruise control won't work at less than 20 mph, though I can't for the life of me figure out what alleged safety problem is solved by that restriction. If cruise control is bad at 15 mph, wouldn't that problem just be magnified at 50 mph?

 

[kmooney4]

I think I've seen you weaving in and out of lanes to gain 10 seconds here and 10 seconds there. You should be in a Mustang and not embarrass other Genesis owners with your "galloping".

No no I despise the lane hoppers (especially since there have been studies that prove that changing lanes in backups is not faster)... traffic is traffic honestly, and I'm lucky I don't have to deal with it but once in a while. I live in Northeastern Maryland and commute to Baltimore... EdP, I guess ACC would be nice for a LONG hundreds of miles drive! Didn't think about that... I rescind my dumb comment LOL

What I was really getting at is this: I can only hope that on a highway (or back road for that matter) for a normal distance drive, with minimal or normal traffic, that most people that are looking at this car would not use the ACC and would enjoy the vehicle; that's all!

 

[EdP]

Probably the same reason the cruise control won't work at less than 20 mph, though I can't for the life of me figure out what alleged safety problem is solved by that restriction. If cruise control is bad at 15 mph, wouldn't that problem just be magnified at 50 mph?

No, different scenario. If you could kick it in at slow speeds, people would use it in parking lots, small residential streets, other places it is not a good idea to set CC.

 

[kmooney4]

I know this isn't exactly related to this thread, but it's close enough. The 3.3T Sport comes with parking sensors and backup cameras; does it also have a park assist (i.e. - auto parallel park or auto park in a perpendicular spot)? I don't think I've heard anything about park assist but just wanted to ask...