Steering on Curves - Sticks

[Garak]

When driving on a winding road (mainly left winding) the steering my Genesis will stick to the point you have to yank it back to center. Of course the dealer cannot figure it out. Has anyone experienced this issue?

 

[glennk]

Sounds like the lane keep assist

 

[Garak]

Sounds like the lane keep assist

Now that makes sense! I have it turned off, but maybe still that is the problem.

 

[Starflyer]

When driving on a winding road (mainly left winding) the steering my Genesis will stick to the point you have to yank it back to center. Of course the dealer cannot figure it out. Has anyone experienced this issue?

First of all, what do you mean by "STICK"? The 2 vehicles I've owned (Acura RDX and my new Genesis G80) do a fair to good job with Lane Keeper engaged. But with either of them going around curves above 60-65MPH, they usually need a little help with the steering wheel to complete the turn.

I would NEVER depend on LKAS to come out of a turn without a bit of help, especailly over 60 MPH. I think the Genesis LKAS works a bit better than my previous 3 year old RDX. When I'm in a turn with LKAS engaged and if I feel the vehicle needs a little help, I gently pressure the steering wheel back to the lane center. At no time would I call what with my gentle input, overcoming steering wheel STICK.

Now if I waited too long to apply a bit of pressure in coming out of a turn, I guess I might call that YANKING.

 

[Garak]

First of all, what do you mean by "STICK"? The 2 vehicles I've owned (Acura RDX and my new Genesis G80) do a fair to good job with Lane Keeper engaged. But with either of them going around curves above 60-65MPH, they usually need a little help with the steering wheel to complete the turn.

I would NEVER depend on LKAS to come out of a turn without a bit of help, especailly over 60 MPH. I think the Genesis LKAS works a bit better than my previous 3 year old RDX. When I'm in a turn with LKAS engaged and if I feel the vehicle needs a little help, I gently pressure the steering wheel back to the lane center. At no time would I call what with my gentle input, overcoming steering wheel STICK.

Now if I waited too long to apply a bit of pressure in coming out of a turn, I guess I might call that YANKING.

I rarely use the lane keeper.

What I mean by stick is this: While driving on the road curves to the left, when it starts to straighten back out, you have to yank the wheel to the right to get the car straight again. This does not happen all the time, but enough that it is troublesome.

 

[somethingwicked]

I rarely use the lane keeper.

What I mean by stick is this: While driving on the road curves to the left, when it starts to straighten back out, you have to yank the wheel to the right to get the car straight again. This does not happen all the time, but enough that it is troublesome.

Mine does the exact same thing, it started happening about a year ago. It doesn't happen all the time, but it will happen when going into a curve or coming out. I'll have to kind of jolt the steering wheel a bit to actually move with the curve. I explained this to the dealer during an oil change and of course they couldn't replicate the issue.

 

[1FstYota]

Is the car AWD, maybe your feeling the active corner control, I know the first couple times I felt it, it feels like your going into the corner faster than it should and you have to back of the steering input a bit.

This is basically torque vectoring by braking inside wheels when turning.

 

[Mr. Incredible]

sounds to me like a bad suspension component.

the steering should auto re-center coming out of a turn, this is a basic law of physics thing, but if the suspension geometry is off, then it could prevent the wheels from straightening out coming out of a turn.


I've owned cars that had this issue, and it always came back to a torn bushing or bad ball joint somewhere in the steering or suspension components.

 

[Garak]

I appreciate everyone's reply. I had this car submitted under the Lemon Law for an issue. The dealer made the final repair attempt. Then it broke so now I am waiting to go to arbitration to get either a buy-back or another Genesis. At this point I want a buy back. This car has been in the shop for over 60 days since I owned it.

 

[Mr. Incredible]

I appreciate everyone's reply. I had this car submitted under the Lemon Law for an issue. The dealer made the final repair attempt. Then it broke so now I am waiting to go to arbitration to get either a buy-back or another Genesis. At this point I want a buy back. This car has been in the shop for over 60 days since I owned it.

Good Luck, I've had to do 2 lemon law buy backs (both GM) since 2010, CA has some very consumer friendly buy back laws, in the first one the Arbitrator found for me, in the second GM didn't even want to take it to Arbitration as the second was the replacement car ordered by the Arbitrator, yeah my lemon got me another lemon, so GM just cut me a check for the MSRP, all interest I paid, all taxes, all registrations, oil changes, new brakes and tires, and everything else I had a receipt for (except modifications).

I was treated so horribly from the dealership that I swore of GM forever, I had personally purchased 9 cars in 20 years from them, and in total my family had purchased 19 cars in that 20 years, not to mention the number of friends I had referred to them, and because of back to back lemons I was treated like I had the plague.

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[Garak]

Mr. Incredible, that is a frustrating experience after you have been a loyal GM customer.

This will be my 3rd Lemon. Two others were Nissan (Stanza late 80's, Pathfinder 2013) both transmission issues.

I have bought Hyundai and KIA now for 9 years, they are the only brand I have owned. The dealer when they had my Genesis for 2 months bent the wheels on the car. After arguing with them for weeks (and they claim it was pot-holes in Michigan and I brought the car in like that) I finally had enough, and bought after market wheels. Michigan has a strict Lemon Law and at this point it should be a buy back or replacement. If I get a replacement I will sell it or trade it in. Another issue with the Genesis is there is a draft by the left foot area on the driver side. When temps here reach 20 below there is nothing you can do to heat that area. This is a complaint I have seen before and it makes for a miserable drive in the winter.

 

[dudmleh522]

When driving on a winding road (mainly left winding) the steering my Genesis will stick to the point you have to yank it back to center. Of course the dealer cannot figure it out. Has anyone experienced this issue?

Is it awd? If it is I'll not sure if you are referring to this but I noticed when I am going around curve on a freeway at high speed I can feel awd engaging to the front and feel it in my steering or it might be mdps type steering

 

[SkiNH]

I had this issue with my 16 HTRAC, and complained a lot about it. The dealer could not replicate it, reset the various sensors, sold me new tires and multiple alignments, but the problem continued. Finally, I had a passenger film the wheel while I was driving to show the wheel staying in place in the turned position (mine stuck in both directions, though left was worse). When I showed the video to the dealer, they concluded that it was an issue with the steering rack, and replaced it under warranty. That fixed the issue for me.

 

[Garak]

Follow up on this thread. After submitting to the BBB for the Lemon Law, Hyundai admitted the issue with the car (seat would not come back to upright position) that they could not figure it out, but since it was "reset" for the 5th time they said it was "fixed."

So I waited 3 months, it broke again. Filed for the Lemon Law up to the date of the arbitration they did not respond, then agreed at the last hour to buy it back. Think that was the end of it, nope. They dragged this out for another two months. Meanwhile I owned this car for 3 years and 6 months of ownership I could not drive it because it was either at the dealer being "fixed" or in the garage because it was not safe to drive (for multiple issues).

Finally this is closed out. Sad for me I really liked the Genesis and had planned on driving it a long time. I have owned nothing but Hyundai for over a decade. I think it is time for a break now.

 

[Kon]

I had this issue with my 16 HTRAC, and complained a lot about it. The dealer could not replicate it, reset the various sensors, sold me new tires and multiple alignments, but the problem continued. Finally, I had a passenger film the wheel while I was driving to show the wheel staying in place in the turned position (mine stuck in both directions, though left was worse). When I showed the video to the dealer, they concluded that it was an issue with the steering rack, and replaced it under warranty. That fixed the issue for me.

Do you still have that video, or did you post it anywhere public like YouTube?

My dealer is equally baffled by the same problem and currently has a different component on backorder (not available for at least another month). I have a feeling the backordered part may not solve the problem so I may be waiting all this time for nothing, meanwhile driving the car on the highway like this just seems downright dangerous but it's not like I can skip work for a month.

I'd hate to be driving a broken/dangerous car for the next month if there's a solution readily available...

 

[Garak]

Do you still have that video, or did you post it anywhere public like YouTube?

My dealer is equally baffled by the same problem and currently has a different component on backorder (not available for at least another month). I have a feeling the backordered part may not solve the problem so I may be waiting all this time for nothing, meanwhile driving the car on the highway like this just seems downright dangerous but it's not like I can skip work for a month.

I'd hate to be driving a broken/dangerous car for the next month if there's a solution readily available...

Have you thought about applying for the lemon law? Just suggesting, finally got my car repurchased from Hyundai.

 

[Kon]

Have you thought about applying for the lemon law? Just suggesting, finally got my car repurchased from Hyundai.

I don't think that would apply since I'm the second owner. Was your car repurchased due to the steering issue or a combination of multiple problems?

The problem with my steering sounds identical to what SkiNH described, so I think all I really need to do is convince them to replace the steering rack. I think they'll do that eventually, I'd just prefer not to wait on this other part that's backordered 30+ days...

 

[Garak]

I don't think that would apply since I'm the second owner. Was your car repurchased due to the steering issue or a combination of multiple problems?

The problem with my steering sounds identical to what SkiNH described, so I think all I really need to do is convince them to replace the steering rack. I think they'll do that eventually, I'd just prefer not to wait on this other part that's backordered 30+ days...

Yeah, if you are the second owner the lemon law will not apply. I hope the steering rack works for you, they replaced it in my Genesis and it didn't make a difference. I also had a lot of steering noise so it could have been multiple things. In the end the lemon law for my car was a defective seat that they tried to fix 7 times. But the steering would have qualified too, because they attempted to fix it 4 times.

 

[Kon]

So the dealership finally pulled their heads out of the sand and replaced the steering rack, which is what I'd suggested from the start. No more sticking in turns, which is great.

However, I still feel like the steering in this car is extremely stiff/heavy compared to everything else I've ever driven. My Sequoia, for example, has such light steering that I could easily drive it in circles all day with only my pinky -- that would be quite painful (if not impossible) in the Genesis. I know they're completely different types and brands of vehicles, but I would expect a luxury car to have much easier steering than a utility vehicle.

Does anyone know if there's some way to adjust the stiffness of the steering wheel? I don't know anyone with a Genesis so I have nothing to compare mine to and no way to know if this is normal or not.

Edit: Even when my steering rack was binding in turns, the techs claimed they drove it and it was fine... I can only assume they'd be no help when it comes to diagnosing something even less obvious like this.

 

[EdP]

Does anyone know if there's some way to adjust the stiffness of the steering wheel? I don't know anyone with a Genesis so I have nothing to compare mine to and no way to know if this is normal or not.

Edit: Even when my steering rack was binding in turns, the techs claimed they drove it and it was fine... I can only assume they'd be no help when it comes to diagnosing something even less obvious like this.

Tires can make a difference, I'm assuming they are properly inflated, but some tires do feel heavier steering.