Getting ready to take the plunge...almost

[PINGGOLF]

My first real major issue with the suspension wasn't noticed until around mile 6000 or so, on a trip from SC to LA. When passing through AL I hit a stretch of I-20 that caused the car to heave back of forth so bad I though I had blown a tire at 70+MPH. I've found this spot, and a few others since then, that cause the Genesis to behave this way. These interstates were always concrete segments, with a "drop" when crossing expansion joints.QUOTE]


FWIW:

Lived in Birmingham for 3 years and travelled I-20 to Atlanta and back TONS of times. That road has always been crap. You know its bad when the 18-wheelers choose to drive in the left lane.

My latest trip to Atlanta was for the purchase of my RX400h a few weeks ago. Dad drove the Gen and I drove the RX...the RX was just as bouncy as the Gen...no question. Just a REALLY BAD ROAD!!

 

[SterlingDave]

The gentleman who initiated this thread made the statement in his posting, "It seems that the suspension may be an issue to some, but not to all. My question to those who have an issue with it; how much of a test ride did you take prior to purchasing it, and how long in to ownership did it take for the ride to bother you?"

It's conceivable, even likely, that he was unaware that a few owners sold their cars because they found the suspension too stiff. The more information he is armed with before he signs the papers and drives away in a Genesis will make him a smarter buyer.

Speaking for myself only, I wish I had taken a significantly longer test drive and purposely sought out some less than ideal road surfaces before I bought mine. So to answer his question, I say, "Take as long a test drive as the dealer will allow and try to find a variation of road surfaces."

Seems to me that his question was perfectly reasonable given what's been posted on this forum, and that the responses to his question have been just as reasonable. Learning as much as possible about something that is going to cost in the neighborhood of 40 large is one of the primary purposes of a forum such as this, even if the subject matter may tend to grate on some members.

Bilmat, you left out the first line of Effin's post: "I've been lurking here a bit and ready [sic] about pet peeves and any major issues with the Gennie." It seems clear to me that the folks (like me) who've visited this forum prior to purchase have no doubt read about the suspension issue from the few, but very vocal folks who have issues with the Genesis's suspension.

I believe that the folks who visit this forum have found the "suspension" forum and the many threads about it. Four or five of the posters seem to be willing to address the issue without hesitation, over and over again. It's conceivable but highly unlikely that anyone doing much pre-purchase investigation in our forum would not uncover this highly contentious issue. For quite some time nothing new on the subject has been added, with the possible exception of "the 2010's suspension will be adjusted."

I fear that the hoped-for adjustment will not be what some expect or want.

Can't we just leave the suspension issue out of this forum and refer any questions or comments to the appropriate threads in the "Hyundai Genesis Sedan Suspension and Brakes Discussion"? Numerous times threads starting in this forum have been moved to the "Suspension" forum. Hopefully this one will be also.

 

[SterlingDave]

SterlingDave,
Buddy how u doing? Hope all is well...it's unfortunate that this place is falling apart...I am disgusted at the way this place has gone downhill.

This place was really enjoyable with extremely friendly people trying to help each other out. When a thread was started with questions/concerns, people would answer/help the best they can.

Get ready to hear more about this suspension crap all over again.

Hope you're enjoying your GREAT car!

Kind regards,

Thanks for the kind words...and I AM enjoying my GREAT car.

I was quite happy with the site as you were so I even contributed to the upkeep of the site.....I'm beginning to question my previous enthusiasm. AND, I really don't need to hear why people don't buy a Genesis. Isn't the name of this websit www.genesisowners.com?

Just so you get in the mood for your coming weather, midmorning here it was 39 degrees with rain/snow mix. Ready for the white stuff? Eh?

Have a great day,

Dave

 

[ttsig]

FWIW:

Lived in Birmingham for 3 years and travelled I-20 to Atlanta and back TONS of times. That road has always been crap. You know its bad when the 18-wheelers choose to drive in the left lane.

My latest trip to Atlanta was for the purchase of my RX400h a few weeks ago. Dad drove the Gen and I drove the RX...the RX was just as bouncy as the Gen...no question. Just a REALLY BAD ROAD!!

I understand what you're saying, I've driven that stretch probably 30-40 times in the last couple of years, but only in the Gen twice. Other times were various vehicles from my 2000 Ranger, my wife's Chrysler 2005 minivan, and several rental vehicles. The Gen was by far worse on that 2 mile stretch than any other vehicle. Like I said, I thought we blew a tire. My mother-in-law woke up thinking we had run off the road.

In general I would say my Gen is probably only slightly more bouncy than other vehicles on that trip, but for that short stretch of a couple of miles, it's about 10x worse than any other vehicle I've ever driven on that stretch.

 

[Effin Ponderous]

Gentlemen,
I started this thread because I had read several things about the suspension. I didn't realize that people had turned in their cars because it was such an issue. Then I drove it...four times...and I can't see getting in to an 09. Maybe the 2010 if they get it right, but there are , IN MY OPINION, serious flaws with the suspension. I loved everything else about it, but the ride is the deal breaker FOR ME. The dealership just ruined everything else for me. So I am sorry I didn't go through every other post in every other thread to determine the issue, and then not bring it up again for those who it bothers the most. Right Dave? So maybe someone should start a website called possiblegenesisownersclub.com, or peopleinterestedintheGenesisbutneedtodoresearchandaren'tallowedongenesisownersclubbecausetheydidn'tbuyyet.com

Or maybe, people should be allowed to ask questions here without getting crap from people who are pissed that they didn't ask enough questions before they bought...or not.

 

[SterlingDave]

Gentlemen,
I started this thread because I had read several things about the suspension. I didn't realize that people had turned in their cars because it was such an issue. Then I drove it...four times...and I can't see getting in to an 09. Maybe the 2010 if they get it right, but there are , IN MY OPINION, serious flaws with the suspension. I loved everything else about it, but the ride is the deal breaker FOR ME. The dealership just ruined everything else for me. So I am sorry I didn't go through every other post in every other thread to determine the issue, and then not bring it up again for those who it bothers the most. Right Dave? So maybe someone should start a website called possiblegenesisownersclub.com, or peopleinterestedintheGenesisbutneedtodoresearchandaren'tallowedongenesisownersclubbecausetheydidn'tbuyyet.com

Or maybe, people should be allowed to ask questions here without getting crap from people who are pissed that they didn't ask enough questions before they bought...or not.

Effin, IMHO, too many words have been wasted on the suspension topic when there are really no hard facts, just personal likes and dislikes on the ride characteristics. End of topic for me.

I hope you can find a car that rides like you want and a dealer that you can trust.

Good luck.

 

[crupp]

Agreed. Keep the suspension conversations to the suspension topics, there are plenty of them to choose from.

 

[dataguy]

Gentlemen,
I started this thread because I had read several things about the suspension. I didn't realize that people had turned in their cars because it was such an issue. Then I drove it...four times...and I can't see getting in to an 09. Maybe the 2010 if they get it right, but there are , IN MY OPINION, serious flaws with the suspension. I loved everything else about it, but the ride is the deal breaker FOR ME. The dealership just ruined everything else for me. So I am sorry I didn't go through every other post in every other thread to determine the issue, and then not bring it up again for those who it bothers the most. Right Dave? So maybe someone should start a website called possiblegenesisownersclub.com, or peopleinterestedintheGenesisbutneedtodoresearchandaren'tallowedongenesisownersclubbecausetheydidn'tbuyyet.com

Or maybe, people should be allowed to ask questions here without getting crap from people who are pissed that they didn't ask enough questions before they bought...or not.

I agree that it's petty to seriously argue whether you have to own a Genesis to participate here. There are official owners forums run by Hyundai if that's what's expected.

On the other hand, anyone who puts any opinion on the Internet should be prepared for criticism. And they probably should expect a backlash when doing so on a board of enthusiasts who are generally satisfied with the car (underdog enthusiasts at that, as most Hyundai owners are used to being). And even more so on any car site, where any debate takes on religious tones.

Hopefully, no one is surprised by any of this...

 

[ShoNuff]

Effin, I think what you are experiencing is some frustration being vented by those of us Genesis owners in a somewhat silent majority - those who have never experienced any unusual handling characteristics in our car and happen to like the way it rides. There are a number of individuals here who seem to go out of their way to discourage potential buyers - if you think about it, this is the only logical reason for former owners of the car to continue posting here.

I'm sorry to hear that you didn't like the way the Gen rode, but must echo the opinions of others who pointed out that this stretch of I-20 is just a miserably bad road. I've been over it in my V6Gen, and my car handled it better than all of my former vehicles (96 Maxima SE, 03 Murano, 04 BMW 528i). In fact, I think the Genesis has a better overall ride than all of the aforementioned vehicles on any road surface I've been over in 18,000 miles of driving. If you want to really feel a vehicle "porpoise," try that stretch of I-20 in a 2003 Murano - but wear a helmet, because you'll need it. I find it somewhat sad that a very vocal minority of dissatisfied prior customers are creating a reputation for this car that seems unwarranted to me. I would imagine some other owners feel the same way and have expressed their frustration in a manner that some forum members/visitors may find inappropriate.

One's feeling about any car's suspension is inherently subjective, and each buyer has different expectations. I happen to like the suspension on my Gen better than any other car I've owned, and literally every single passenger I've ever had in the car (dozens) have commented favorably on the ride. It seems to me that potential buyers are getting an inaccurate impression of this car because those of us who are satisfied owners tend also to be quiet. Hence, my post.

BTW, for you conspiracy-theorists out there, please be advised that I don't work for Hyundai or any dealership.

 

[moose66]

Effin, I think what you are experiencing is some frustration being vented by those of us Genesis owners in a somewhat silent majority - those who have never experienced any unusual handling characteristics in our car and happen to like the way it rides. There are a number of individuals here who seem to go out of their way to discourage potential buyers - if you think about it, this is the only logical reason for former owners of the car to continue posting here.

I'm sorry to hear that you didn't like the way the Gen rode, but must echo the opinions of others who pointed out that this stretch of I-20 is just a miserably bad road. I've been over it in my V6Gen, and my car handled it better than all of my former vehicles (96 Maxima SE, 03 Murano, 04 BMW 528i). In fact, I think the Genesis has a better overall ride than all of the aforementioned vehicles on any road surface I've been over in 18,000 miles of driving. If you want to really feel a vehicle "porpoise," try that stretch of I-20 in a 2003 Murano - but wear a helmet, because you'll need it. I find it somewhat sad that a very vocal minority of dissatisfied prior customers are creating a reputation for this car that seems unwarranted to me. I would imagine some other owners feel the same way and have expressed their frustration in a manner that some forum members/visitors may find inappropriate.

One's feeling about any car's suspension is inherently subjective, and each buyer has different expectations. I happen to like the suspension on my Gen better than any other car I've owned, and literally every single passenger I've ever had in the car (dozens) have commented favorably on the ride. It seems to me that potential buyers are getting an inaccurate impression of this car because those of us who are satisfied owners tend also to be quiet. Hence, my post.

BTW, for you conspiracy-theorists out there, please be advised that I don't work for Hyundai or any dealership.

You can't see me . . . . . but I am standing and clapping! Very well said ShoNuff!

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[Ron K]

ShoNuff, I agree with every thing you said. I also love my Genesis, including the ride. I ask everone that rides with me, front or back, how they feel about the ride and nobody has complained yet.

Ron

 

[scottdk]

Effin, I think what you are experiencing is some frustration being vented by those of us Genesis owners in a somewhat silent majority - those who have never experienced any unusual handling characteristics in our car and happen to like the way it rides. There are a number of individuals here who seem to go out of their way to discourage potential buyers - if you think about it, this is the only logical reason for former owners of the car to continue posting here.

I'm sorry to hear that you didn't like the way the Gen rode, but must echo the opinions of others who pointed out that this stretch of I-20 is just a miserably bad road. I've been over it in my V6Gen, and my car handled it better than all of my former vehicles (96 Maxima SE, 03 Murano, 04 BMW 528i). In fact, I think the Genesis has a better overall ride than all of the aforementioned vehicles on any road surface I've been over in 18,000 miles of driving. If you want to really feel a vehicle "porpoise," try that stretch of I-20 in a 2003 Murano - but wear a helmet, because you'll need it. I find it somewhat sad that a very vocal minority of dissatisfied prior customers are creating a reputation for this car that seems unwarranted to me. I would imagine some other owners feel the same way and have expressed their frustration in a manner that some forum members/visitors may find inappropriate.

One's feeling about any car's suspension is inherently subjective, and each buyer has different expectations. I happen to like the suspension on my Gen better than any other car I've owned, and literally every single passenger I've ever had in the car (dozens) have commented favorably on the ride. It seems to me that potential buyers are getting an inaccurate impression of this car because those of us who are satisfied owners tend also to be quiet. Hence, my post.

BTW, for you conspiracy-theorists out there, please be advised that I don't work for Hyundai or any dealership.

I am too clapping, but I also did a summersault Thank you ShoNuff

 

[tjc78]

It is true that the suspension really is a subjective thing. However, its also relative. For example I had someone driving a Town Car ask me about my Genesis. I said it was a nice car, BUT if you are used to a Town Car ride you may not like the firmness/unsettled nature of the Genesis. I told him to check it out on roads he travels before making the move. OTOH my Parents have a Camry SE and find the ride in the Genesis great because like their car its stiff.

That really should be the purpose of the forums. The good, bad, and ugly. For example I prefer the softer plush ride an Avalon/ES/Town Car provides. I thought I wanted something a little sportier. Unfortunately, I am disappointed in the ride of the Genesis. Its not quite sports sedan, not luxury either. Its kind of in the middle and that is the problem. On smooth pavement its fine, but when it gets rough the car thumps and everything is transmitted through the steering wheel. My '06 Avalon on the same roads just glided over everything.

 

[ShoNuff]

I am too clapping, but I also did a summersault Thank you ShoNuff

You're quite welcome. I'm actually kind of surprised my post didn't draw the flaming I was expecting.

 

[SterlingDave]

You're quite welcome. I'm actually kind of surprised my post didn't draw the flaming I was expecting.

OK, you asked for it, ShoNuff: {Flame on} FLAME, Flambe', torch {Flame off}

Well put....good job. Looks like it had a pacifying effect, even if temporary. Thanks a heap!

Be careful, you may have earned yourself the job of official spokesperson.

 

[sandy]

You're quite welcome. I'm actually kind of surprised my post didn't draw the flaming I was expecting.

I'd say because your logic is flawless.....but that hasn't stopped the usual suspects before.

 

[Mark_888]

I'd say because your logic is flawless.....but that hasn't stopped the usual suspects before.

If that logic is flawless, why is Hyundai changing the suspension for 2010?

 

[crupp]

Lets NOT go down the suspension road in this thread. If you would like to discuss the suspension go to another thread. I think you can find one