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Genesis/Hyundai - Gap Waiver Addendum

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Not sure if this is common in the industry, but I found the Gap Waiver Addendum really nice. Hyundai Motors Financial will cover the difference (the gap) between what you owe and the current value of the car if you total it before lease end period. If you happen to be upside down, which is certain to happen if you wreck early in the lease, they will cover you. You insurance will do it's thing and if they don't reach the full amount of what you owe, Genesis covers or absolves the rest.

The above is in reference to leasing through Hyundia/Genesis. I can take a snapshot of that particular page in my lease if anybody's interested. I'm in California.
 
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Many, probably most, manufactures provide GAP coverage in their leases. Last I saw, the biggest one not to was Toyota but that may have changed.
 
Not sure if this is common in the industry, but I found the Gap Waiver Addendum really nice. Hyundai Motors Financial will cover the difference (the gap) between what you owe and the current value of the car if you total it before lease end period. If you happen to be upside down, which is certain to happen if you wreck early in the lease, they will cover you. You insurance will do it's thing and if they don't reach the full amount of what you owe, Genesis covers or absolves the rest.

The above is in reference to leasing through Hyundia/Genesis. I can take a snapshot of that particular page in my lease if anybody's interested. I'm in California.

So does this negate the argument that you should never put cash down on a Genesis lease since you can never be upside down if it’s totalled?
 
So does this negate the argument that you should never put cash down on a Genesis lease since you can never be upside down if it’s totalled?
This depends more on one's credit and whether or not you have to pay any additional fees.

However, usually if you're approved for a Lease (not referencing VW and their sinister, shitty, go to hell and burn you POS bastards) then your credit is fine and you shouldn't bother with a DP and really it only benefits nthe dealer.
 
So does this negate the argument that you should never put cash down on a Genesis lease since you can never be upside down if it’s totalled?

I don't subscribe to that being a hard and fast rule since I think many factors effect the decision but I don't think the GAP insurance would effect it. The payout would only go to the manufacture and not to the leasee. If the car is totaled and you owe more on the lease than the insurance company pays then the GAP would cover it.
 
However, usually if you're approved for a Lease (not referencing VW and their sinister, shitty, go to hell and burn you POS bastards) then your credit is fine and you shouldn't bother with a DP and really it only benefits nthe dealer.

That is not correct, the down payment would not affect the dealer in any way. There are some arguments for not making a down payment on a lease but it should be analyzed on a case by case basis since sometimes it is very beneficial to do so.
 
That is not correct, the down payment would not affect the dealer in any way. There are some arguments for not making a down payment on a lease but it should be analyzed on a case by case basis since sometimes it is very beneficial to do so.
Some of shady ones can divert the cash DP to things like "paint protector and undercarriage coatings" without ones knowledge.

I know because I worked for one that did this.
 
Some of shady ones can divert the cash DP to things like "paint protector and undercarriage coatings" without ones knowledge.

I know because I worked for one that did this.

They could do that without a down payment also.
 
Not sure if this is common in the industry, but I found the Gap Waiver Addendum really nice. Hyundai Motors Financial will cover the difference (the gap) between what you owe and the current value of the car if you total it before lease end period. If you happen to be upside down, which is certain to happen if you wreck early in the lease, they will cover you. You insurance will do it's thing and if they don't reach the full amount of what you owe, Genesis covers or absolves the rest.

The above is in reference to leasing through Hyundia/Genesis. I can take a snapshot of that particular page in my lease if anybody's interested. I'm in California.

GAP insurance is also commonly offered by auto insurance companies at a fraction of the cost of what dealers charge. Not sure how much the dealership charged you on your agreement, but if it equates to more than roughly $3 a month over the term of your lease or loan, it's not a great deal. From a risk standpoint on a lease, GAP has minimal benefit unless you roll A LOT of extras into your agreement like carry over payments from a prior lease OR trading in a car that you were upside down on. On a loan, GAP *could* make sense if you don't put much money down so the car is immediately worthy way less than you owe (not what you paid, what you owe) the second you drive off the lot. Even then, GAP is most relevant for the first two or so years as the loan balance decreases until it is equal to the market value.

In the event of a total loss, the first thing that happens is the finance company will check to see if you have any optional agreements like extended warranty coverage, prepaid maintenance, tire/paint protection packages, etc. Those can be cancelled at any time and a prorated refund applied to the outstanding loan or lease term. Then, the insurance company will write a check for what they deem the total loss value to be. If that insurance payout is less what is owed on the contract (whether in loan balance or remaining lease monthly payments) after those prorated refunds, you pay the difference, if any. Or GAP insurance kicks in if you have GAP, just liked you mentioned in your post. In fact, most GAP insurance policies also cover the cost of your insurance deductible up to a certain dollar amount (i.e. up to $500).

But here's the thing, the likelihood of all of the factors working against you in total loss where you end up net owing more than the sum of the insurance payout and any optional agreement refunds, is very, very small. Just like you mentioned in your post. Meaning, the risk is very low, so the cost should be very low. When dealers charge $700+ for GAP insurance, their cost is pennies on the dollar to the underwriting insurance company and the rest goes straight to dealer profit.

Not saying GAP is bad, per se. Just that for *most* people it's not a good use of money from a cost/benefit (to you) vs. the risk/profit (to the insurance company and the dealer that sells it).
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GAP insurance is also commonly offered by auto insurance companies at a fraction of the cost of what dealers charge. Not sure how much the dealership charged you on your agreement, but if it equates to more than roughly $3 a month over the term of your lease or loan, it's not a great deal.

It is built into most manufacture leases and you are not able to decline it, it is just part of the money factor.
 
Many, probably most, manufactures provide GAP coverage in their leases. Last I saw, the biggest one not to was Toyota but that may have changed.

Toyota charges for it. we paid $410 for their GAP coverage on our 2017 Camry Lease.
 
Toyota charges for it. we paid $410 for their GAP coverage on our 2017 Camry Lease.

That is correct, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, Toyota is the big one, that charges for GAP insurance.

Edit: Never mind, you were quoting that and confirming. Thanks.
 
That is correct, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, Toyota is the big one, that charges for GAP insurance.

I was rather surprised that Genesis included it, I had to pay for it with my Lexus (I know it's a Toyota), but also with BMW and MBZ, but both of those were over 15 years ago and a lot has changed in that time, mostly due to the much higher cost of vehicles resulting in more people leasing.
 
That is correct, as I mentioned earlier in this thread, Toyota is the big one, that charges for GAP insurance.

I'm trying to recall from my time at Toyota/Lexus Financial . . . I do recall that Toyota dealers charge it as a separate item. But I'm kinda also remembering that Lexus automatically included it on their leases (not as a separate cost item). Not sure if it is still that way.

But I remember that nothing pisses of luxury car buyers more than being inconvenienced by a finance company telling them "well your insurance company didn't pay the total loss in full, so you gotta pay more to make up the difference." Lol.
 
I was rather surprised that Genesis included it, I had to pay for it with my Lexus (I know it's a Toyota), but also with BMW and MBZ, but both of those were over 15 years ago and a lot has changed in that time, mostly due to the much higher cost of vehicles resulting in more people leasing.

I know BMW includes and I believe Lexus and MBZ now does also. I was just looking around and it seem like Toyota is the only one charging extra for it now. Although I didn't look at the small brands.
 
I've been leasing my cars for 20+ years and, if I recall correctly, every lease included GAP without charge (other than the imbedded cost in the MF perhaps). Mostly German marques and never a Toyota product. But as mentioned earlier, your car insurance provider will cover it for almost nothing. Part of the advantage of leasing is to use your capital for something other than a downpayment and let the leasing company take all the risk. If you put $3,000 down for example, and the car is totaled a month later, the gap insurance will pay off the lease, but your $3k is not covered and is gone.

I always laugh when I see car ads that pitch lease payments that you know are too low. Then you read the fine print in the ad and it talks about $4,250 in drive-off costs (or whatever). Most of that is a down payment to bring the payments down so the dealer can bait you into thinking you can afford the car. Goal is just to get you in the dealership. And if the finance guy at the dealer suggests you need a significant downpayment due to bad credit that means you can't really afford the car and he's trying to get more of your hard earned cash in the deal to apply to his best advantage (i.e. jack up the MF etc.)
 
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