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3.8 Ram Air Intake custom heat shield a more true "CAI"

Alll in all super stoked with the way it turned out..

After driving around today I got home and popped the hood. Just using my hand it was very very cool compared to the rest of the bay which was hot as f$%k. Before the shield it would always be sooo hot by the filter. I'm going to paint it when I do my trim and then I'll try to get some before and after IAT readings. But driving the same way i always do taking the same streets my mpg is going up next time i fill up I'm curious to see what i end averaging per mile.

Here are some before and afters.
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Look great. It looks like you purchased it with the intake as oppose to making it yourself. I hope that works like designed to keep the warm air away from your air filter.
 
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Before & after dyno runs eliminate all the bs. Need a few on this site--
 
Look great. It looks like you purchased it with the intake as oppose to making it yourself. I hope that works like designed to keep the warm air away from your air filter.
Thanks man just takes attention to detail! Measure measure measure cut haha I drive myself crazy sometimes being a perfectionist never half assed 🤗
 
CAI manufactures should sponsor that if they want to make sales.
Clearly they Make sales regardless so theydont give a f$%k lol
 
Maybe you should read the thread that showed a loss of power with the R2C faux CAI. Filter size had a huge impact on the amount of air it can suck in.

If you look at my picture I have removed all the silencers, chambers, flaps to pull in the most air. Yeah I don't get that cool "vroom" sound from a CAI but that's ok.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Do you have a link or step-by-step process on how to remove the silencers from the intake to add a little more suction? I am interested in doing the same thing. I ordered a K&N filter.
 
Before & after dyno runs eliminate all the bs. Need a few on this site--
LOL. Dyno runs will not stop many critics from finding some reason not to believe the results. Some members will say the dyno is not calibrated or the engine was warmer on one run than the the other run so the results are not accurate. A critic will always be critic regardless of the information you provide; they will always find an argument against it.

However ,with that being said I like to see hard data myself if possible. But, I do not expect everyone to provide dyno charts for any perceived performance gain since I know that accurate dyno results can be hard to obtain due to cost and dyno user experience.
 
Before & after dyno runs eliminate all the bs. Need a few on this site--
Any intake is going to make more power due to the increase in the amount of air getting in. You will never see an aftermarket company post dyno results of their Cold air intake vs. a regular short ram. Because they would screw themselves when its a 1 hp increase for an extra $200.

Its not debate its known fact. Marketing just works very well and this thread shows that.. lol. The most technologically advanced and the most highly engineered vehicles on the planet are Formula 1 cars.. I build them. We don't use K&N filters. We don't use complicated intake designs. And actually whoever said turbo cars need cold air systems is actually the complete opposite and wrong. Turbo or any forced induction engine, the charge air is so hot because its compressed air it makes no difference what the intake air temperature is because the laws of thermodynamics state that air compressed x amount is going to be x temperature every time. Hence why you have intercoolers to cool the charge air.

And the poster about the car a picture was posted of is exactly right. They have those intricate intake systems because of rules and restrictions. They have limits like you cant touch the ports on the heads or the only are allowed to have 100mm intake openings etc.. So that intake system is there to increase the velocity of the the charge air etc.. etc..

Here are plenty lf pictires of race cars with no intakes. These are oics of Nascar, pro mod and por stock drag cars, you name it. And they are all Fuel injected. Really no car is still carbureted.

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You realize that all the engine pics you posted pull air from outside the engine bay in a ram air design, therefore are cold air designs not short rams designs used like in most aftermarket intakes for street cars.:)

Not many(if any) late model race engines uses a short ram filter design that only pulls in enclosed hot engine bay air near the engine; most air is collected from outside the engine department either by having throttle body (or turbo inlet pipe) outside the engine bay or from collecting cooler air from the front of the engine.
 
Here is someone who actually tested a cold air intake against a short ram intake in a street car(similar to our Genesis) like what most of us members drive. Race car engines are designed different so no real comparison to our engine.
 
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Its not debate its known fact. Marketing just works very well and this thread shows that.. lol. The most technologically advanced and the most highly engineered vehicles on the planet are Formula 1 cars.. I build them. We don't use K&N filters. We don't use complicated intake designs. And actually whoever said turbo cars need cold air systems is actually the complete opposite and wrong. Turbo or any forced induction engine, the charge air is so hot because its compressed air it makes no difference what the intake air temperature is because the laws of thermodynamics state that air compressed x amount is going to be x temperature every time. Hence why you have intercoolers to cool the charge air.

so you're saying that a turbo sucking in 40* air will heat it the same amount as if it where sucking in 100* air? I think the laws of thermodynamics is probably more like 'air compressed x amount is going to INCREASE by x temperature every time'. Starting with cooler air is always going to perform better.

And as for your 'non-complicated' F1 intake design, you dont think the ram air scoop over the top of the driver isnt designed to catch as much fresh, ambient air that it can? is it not sealed completely off from the rest of the engine so it only draws fresh air from the scoop?
 
You realize that all the engine pics you posted pull air from outside the engine bay in a ram air design, therefore are cold air designs not short rams designs used like in most aftermarket intakes for street cars.:)

Not many(if any) late model race engines uses a short ram filter design that only pulls in enclosed hot engine bay air near the engine; most air is collected from outside the engine department either by having throttle body (or turbo inlet pipe) outside the engine bay or from collecting cooler air from the front of the engine.

You think so? So you think those turbos are placed out in the open on those cars? Heres big chiefs fastest street car in America. Turbos inside.

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so you're saying that a turbo sucking in 40* air will heat it the same amount as if it where sucking in 100* air? I think the laws of thermodynamics is probably more like 'air compressed x amount is going to INCREASE by x temperature every time'. Starting with cooler air is always going to perform better.

And as for your 'non-complicated' F1 intake design, you dont think the ram air scoop over the top of the driver isnt designed to catch as much fresh, ambient air that it can? is it not sealed completely off from the rest of the engine so it only draws fresh air from the scoop?

Well yes you are correct it is an “increase” in temperature and pressure etc..due to the ideal gas law.. PV=nRT where N is the molecular weight of your gas and R is a constant. They can be erased and you have PV=T.

This'll be pretty simplified, but hopefully gets the basic point across.

First, it's not so much the pressure that causes things to heat up, but the compression. So we can just imagine taking a container of gas and compressing it.

  1. The temperature of a gas is proportional to the average kinetic energy of the gas molecules. That means that the hotter something is, the faster the particles are moving. We're just talking about the "internal" motion of the gas, here -- if there's a current or wind flowing through it, we ignore that. Temperature is more about the molecules jiggling around or bouncing back and forth.
  2. When you push on a particle, it gains energy, i.e. it starts moving faster.
  3. If I have a container of gas and start compressing it, I necessarily have to push inwards. This pushes on the molecules in the container, and therefore... makes them move faster. We are putting energy into the gas (this is called doing work.)
  4. But the gas itself isn't going anywhere, it's contained. So it's the internal energy that's increasing. Assuming nothing weird happens as the gas gets denser, that means that the temperature is increasing.
So in a way youre right but in a way ypu are wrong. Because the average outlet temp from a compressor system is known to be any where from 180/350 degrees F. So yes it doesnt matter if your smbient temps are 35 or 105 that charge air is coming out at at least 200. Now where does ambient air come into play? With aftercooling. A good A2A intercooler will get you down to within 10 degrees of ambient. The intake air temp means nothing really. Any good race car will use a A2L or evaporating gas cooling system, which will give you lower than ambient charge air temps. Again for FI cars it doesn't really matter.

All hot air does is increase the chances of detonation which will cause the timing to be reduced heavily. You make more power by burning more fuel, that requires more air. Pretty simple..lol

The F1 intake plays many rolls. I wish it was just for sucking in air!! Its not at all.. its feeding air to the , intercoolers, other heat exchangers, it is a structural part to prevent driver injury in roll overs, it is a huge aerodynamic part trying not to steal air from the rear wing..etc..etc.. no it is not sealed at all and the “blowby” that is seen when they let off the throttle is huge. That scattered air seriously effects aerodynamics.

Another misconception is that of “ram air” no car race or not travels at speeds high enough to have a ram air effect. You cant achieve forward momentum great enough to overcome the amount the engine is sucking in.. so at WOT flying down the track, no air is being forced into the engine, the emgine is just sucking in everything delivered to it. No blowby, no bad air. Only a small amount if that air is going to the turbo. Most is going to the intercoolers, brakes, and hybrid system. We will see charge air tempts about 10 degrees above ambient. Only supersonic speeds show Ram effects, and then the problem becomes slowing intake air not ramming more.

Trust me guys its a lot more complicated than you think. And most have no idea the science behind real thermo. Does colder air contain more oxygen? Yes, will it increase the specific output of an engine? Yes.. but ONLY IF YOUR Ecu can compensate the timing fast enough to advance it more. The point of my whole post was how much is 1 or 2 hp worth to you?? To me its not worth hundreds of dollars. You believe what you want. Just remember i stand to make no money off any of you, but that intake company does.. 😉
 
You think so? So you think those turbos are placed out in the open on those cars? Heres big chiefs fastest street car in America. Turbos inside.

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inside the body work yes, but they are also at the front of the car (that isn't running a radiator in the front) and catching direct, fresh ambient air from the front of the car.
 
You think so? So you think those turbos are placed out in the open on those cars? Heres big chiefs fastest street car in America. Turbos inside.

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You think so? So you think those turbos are placed out in the open on those cars? Heres big chiefs fastest street car in America. Turbos inside.

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Oh my.:)

This is going to be long debate if we are just going to go back and forth picking random cars from the internet that has no relation to the Genesis engine. Yes, big chief turbos are located inside the engine bay. However the turbos are fed cooler air from the front of the engine(ram air) due to not having a radiator.:)

His setup is not the same as our engine with a short ram intake, nor does it perform the same way. Cooler air makes more power than warmer air, even with turbo chargers. I do not see why you are trying to debate against that fact. Hence why Big Chief fast ass drag street car has the turbos mounted in the front of the engine to access the most cool air as possible.
 
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Well yes you are correct it is an “increase” in temperature and pressure etc..due to the ideal gas law.. PV=nRT where N is the molecular weight of your gas and R is a constant. They can be erased and you have PV=T.

This'll be pretty simplified, but hopefully gets the basic point across.

First, it's not so much the pressure that causes things to heat up, but the compression. So we can just imagine taking a container of gas and compressing it.

  1. The temperature of a gas is proportional to the average kinetic energy of the gas molecules. That means that the hotter something is, the faster the particles are moving. We're just talking about the "internal" motion of the gas, here -- if there's a current or wind flowing through it, we ignore that. Temperature is more about the molecules jiggling around or bouncing back and forth.
  2. When you push on a particle, it gains energy, i.e. it starts moving faster.
  3. If I have a container of gas and start compressing it, I necessarily have to push inwards. This pushes on the molecules in the container, and therefore... makes them move faster. We are putting energy into the gas (this is called doing work.)
  4. But the gas itself isn't going anywhere, it's contained. So it's the internal energy that's increasing. Assuming nothing weird happens as the gas gets denser, that means that the temperature is increasing.
So in a way youre right but in a way ypu are wrong. Because the average outlet temp from a compressor system is known to be any where from 180/350 degrees F. So yes it doesnt matter if your smbient temps are 35 or 105 that charge air is coming out at at least 200. Now where does ambient air come into play? With aftercooling. A good A2A intercooler will get you down to within 10 degrees of ambient. The intake air temp means nothing really. Any good race car will use a A2L or evaporating gas cooling system, which will give you lower than ambient charge air temps. Again for FI cars it doesn't really matter.

All hot air does is increase the chances of detonation which will cause the timing to be reduced heavily. You make more power by burning more fuel, that requires more air. Pretty simple..lol

The F1 intake plays many rolls. I wish it was just for sucking in air!! Its not at all.. its feeding air to the , intercoolers, other heat exchangers, it is a structural part to prevent driver injury in roll overs, it is a huge aerodynamic part trying not to steal air from the rear wing..etc..etc.. no it is not sealed at all and the “blowby” that is seen when they let off the throttle is huge. That scattered air seriously effects aerodynamics.

Another misconception is that of “ram air” no car race or not travels at speeds high enough to have a ram air effect. You cant achieve forward momentum great enough to overcome the amount the engine is sucking in.. so at WOT flying down the track, no air is being forced into the engine, the emgine is just sucking in everything delivered to it. No blowby, no bad air. Only a small amount if that air is going to the turbo. Most is going to the intercoolers, brakes, and hybrid system. We will see charge air tempts about 10 degrees above ambient. Only supersonic speeds show Ram effects, and then the problem becomes slowing intake air not ramming more.

Trust me guys its a lot more complicated than you think. And most have no idea the science behind real thermo. Does colder air contain more oxygen? Yes, will it increase the specific output of an engine? Yes.. but ONLY IF YOUR Ecu can compensate the timing fast enough to advance it more. The point of my whole post was how much is 1 or 2 hp worth to you?? To me its not worth hundreds of dollars. You believe what you want. Just remember i stand to make no money off any of you, but that intake company does.. 😉
Your last paragraph actually relates to our N/A engine. And yes, our engines(v6 and v8) can adapt to changes in air flow and temps. Our engines uses variable valve timing and valve lift technology.

You do not know if the Genesis engine is making 1hp or 15 hp with an performance intake. So, please stop stating that something is not worth doing if you do not have any real facts that states otherwise. You may have your opinion, but that does not mean that it is a fact.
 
Oh my.:)

This is going to be long debate if we are just going to go back and forth picking random cars from the internet that has no relation to the Genesis engine. Yes, big chief turbos are located inside the engine bay. However the turbos are fed cooler air from the front of the engine(ram air) due to no having a radiator.:)

His setup is not the same as our engine with a short ram intake, nor does it perform the same way. Cooler air makes more power than warmer air, even with turbo chargers. I do not see why you are trying to debate against that fact. Hence why Big Chief fast as drag street car has the turbos mounted in the front of the engine to access the most cool air as possible.

Lol you guys just don't get it man. The kool aid is really strong with you both.. ill try to give you the science behind it with a usable value you can calculate.
Did you not see the post informing you that (on average) charge air temps leaving a compressor of any kind are in the 200-350 F ranges? It doesn't matter if it is 20 degrees F outside or 100.. That compressed charge air is coming out of the turbo or supercharger at over 200.. degrees at a minimum.. this is before it enters the engine and combustion temps reach over 500.. lol. The ONLY reason cold air helps is because it is more dense, hence more air to allow the burn of more fuel, which releases energy (another form of work) via heat transfer..the Volume increases but remember PV=nRT so V=T/P it is not directly relative to temp or pressure yet a variable of their ratio both. Thermodynamics isnt something you can just down play and explain withoubt understanding mathematics and physics first. So i get that I'm telling you something that every aftermarket company has said the complete opposite. But I’m trying to teach you the truth in hopes that you will gain from it and not waste money, thats all?? Lol, you giys wanna “debate” me over it you go right ahead, but these are scientific LAWS Discovered back in the late 1600’s.. Trust me.. Example im going to give you a problem where you can get a ratio to see how hot air (an ideal gas) will get when compressed. Remember the laws of thermo hold true But you cannot complete a problem like this and factor in all variables. We will assume an adiabatic process.Lets say you want to know the temperature of air compressed to 120psi above gauge (gauge is standard atmospheric pressure or 1bar, 1atm “absolute pressure” etc..)
Reducing it to a pressure ratio, the prob I cited is 14.7 psi(abs) to 120 psi (gauge)+ 14.7 psi or (120+14.7)/14.7 = 9.16 pressure ratio.
For air, the absolute temp ratio will be the power ~.4/1.4 or .285 of the pressure ratio.
So, using a calc, the absolute temp ratio:
9.16^.285 = 1.88
Lets assume we start out with an inlet air temp of 70F, the abs temp is 70+459=529R. the abs temp after compression will be 529 X 1.88 = 994R
Bringing it back to F, 994R - 459 = So if you take 70degree ambient air and compress it to 120psi the air temp coming out of the compressor is 535F.. You get it now???

Of course, nothing is a true adiabatic process and much of the heat will be lossed in the compressor, (heat transfer to the metals etc) so in real life the temp will actually be lower.
A more exact exponent for air is .283, reducing the temp a little. With heat exchange you're looking at charge air temps in the low 400’s.. lol

The rise in temperature depends mostly on the pressure change and to a very very lesser extent, the inlet temperature. The volume has nothing to do with the temperature rise.


The only vehicles that will benefit from colder intake charge air are NA engines, that have a hardcore enough timing table tuned in to take advantage of as much timing advance as possible. Which production cars cannot do, nor do you have thermistors on your car that will read fast enough to allow the ecu to advance the timing because its not safe..Especially for stop and go driving where you will experience heat soak a ton..


Apparently you guys have a huge misconception about pro-mod, pro-stock, outlaw class etc drag cars?? No tirbo pro mod car has any openings in its body for “Fresh air” you guys rhink is entering the turbos. See the pics? Those are decals. Lol..



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Why? Casue the aerodynamic drag and loss from those air holes hurt the drag times far more than any “fresh air would help” The pro-mods you see with massive throttle bodied intake ducts, those are alcohol and nitro burning supercharged cars? They could five a rats ass what the temps are because their fuel cools the shit out of their engines! When you want to start making 3 or 4 thousand plus Hp, you switch fuels. Lol the parasitic loss of those superchargers is over 600 hp!! Lol

If you just cant accept that you've been fed a lot of marketing shite your whole lives i understasn. But that doesn't mean you're right?? Heres some kther photos you wont find on the internet that will maybe make you believe me MAYBE...
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