Modification Warning

[slimjim2525]

I just picked up my new G70 yesterday. The dealer had me sign a waiver on the Magnuson Moss Act, and explicitly told me, that if I modify the car at all, Hyundai will not honor the warranty. I don't plan on doing mods to the car so I'm ok.

 

[joegr]

What did you get in exchange for waving your rights? I hope you got something very worthwhile out of it, more than just a couple of dollars. I would never have agreed to such. I'd find somewhere else to buy from. (I agree that you can lose some coverage for some modifications, but I've never agree that I could only buy Genesis parts and have everything done only at a Genesis dealer.)

 

[slimjim2525]

What did you get in exchange for waving your rights? I hope you got something very worthwhile out of it, more than just a couple of dollars. I would never have agreed to such. I'd find somewhere else to buy from. (I agree that you can lose some coverage for some modifications, but I've never agree that I could only buy Genesis parts and have everything done only at a Genesis dealer.)

That is not what's agreed to, and not what the Act claims. If you modify your car, I'm assuming do a tune, remove the cats, enhance the turbos, then you're out of luck if you have motor issues. On my Q50, I had a JB4, and got denied a warranty claim on a blown turbo because they saw I had downpipes. The service manager also told me that they can see peak boost stored, and know where it should be. Downpipes obviously wouldn't hurt the warranty if let's say the power seat went bad, but then they wouldn't be looking under the car for that kind of repair. If you wanna go up against Hyundai corporate good luck, I tried against Infiniti and it didn't work out well at all.

 

[joegr]

My understanding is that the act prevents the manufacturer from saying that you have to buy oil, filters, parts, whatever from them to keep the warranty in effect. The act says that as long as you use parts, filters, whatever that meet the manufacturer's specifications, they can't deny warranty.
If you didn't wave that, what did you wave?

 

[EdP]

I just picked up my new G70 yesterday. The dealer had me sign a waiver on the Magnuson Moss Act, and explicitly told me, that if I modify the car at all, Hyundai will not honor the warranty. I don't plan on doing mods to the car so I'm ok.

Never heard of a dealer asking for this. Was it them or Genesis? Do you know if it is only the G70? Given it is a "sport" type of sedan it will probably be the most modified model.

 

[slimjim2525]

My understanding is that the act prevents the manufacturer from saying that you have to buy oil, filters, parts, whatever from them to keep the warranty in effect. The act says that as long as you use parts, filters, whatever that meet the manufacturer's specifications, they can't deny warranty.
If you didn't wave that, what did you wave?

You are waiving any warranty claim if you modify the car. It does not say that if you use a different oil, or transmission fluid you void your warranty. So long as those fluids meet the standard for your car. But, if you modify the exhaust, engine, or anything of the like, you will not be covered for a power train claim. I would bet if you put on a CAI, and went in for motor claim, they would deny you. Trust me, I have been down this road once, and it was a major PITA. Not only did the dealer deny my claim, Infiniti corporate was no use, and said individual dealerships can deny claims. Also, my VIN was in the computer as having modified the car. The most interesting part for me is, the service guy said they can read max boost, so that tells me the JB4, regardless of what they say, is leaving a trace. Hell, the G70 has a boost gauge.

 

[slimjim2525]

Never heard of a dealer asking for this. Was it them or Genesis? Do you know if it is only the G70? Given it is a "sport" type of sedan it will probably be the most modified model.

First time for me too. I wonder what would have happened if I refused to sign?

 

[joegr]

You are waiving any warranty claim if you modify the car. It does not say that if you use a different oil, or transmission fluid you void your warranty. So long as those fluids meet the standard for your car. But, if you modify the exhaust, engine, or anything of the like, you will not be covered for a power train claim. I would bet if you put on a CAI, and went in for motor claim, they would deny you. Trust me, I have been down this road once, and it was a major PITA. Not only did the dealer deny my claim, Infiniti corporate was no use, and said individual dealerships can deny claims. Also, my VIN was in the computer as having modified the car. The most interesting part for me is, the service guy said they can read max boost, so that tells me the JB4, regardless of what they say, is leaving a trace. Hell, the G70 has a boost gauge.

In that case you did not sign any wavier of the Magnuson Moss Act as you originally said.

 

[slimjim2525]

In that case you did not sign any wavier of the Magnuson Moss Act as you originally said.

Honestly, I did not read the entire sheet. But the first line said "waiver of Magnuson Moss Act". The person who you sign the paperwork with said, "this states that if you modify your car, Hyundai will not warrant the car".

 

[slimjim2525]

Never heard of a dealer asking for this. Was it them or Genesis? Do you know if it is only the G70? Given it is a "sport" type of sedan it will probably be the most modified model.

He said it was Hyundai who will deny your claims. I got 0% financing and still felt like I needed a shower when I got home. I just wanted to get the hell out of there.

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[slimjim2525]

OK, so here is what I signed. I may have been a little mistaken. But he did say, "if you modify the car, Hyundai will not honor the warranty" I guess refer to sentence 3 or 4.

 

[slimjim2525]

As far as the last sentence, good luck with that. I invoked that sentence on my Infiniti, only to be told come get the car, we are not honoring the warranty. I said "you have to prove that my downpipes caused the turbo to break". To no avail. Which basically says to me that the manufacturer is not responsible for showing the aftermarket part did not cause the damage, you are.

 

[EdP]

OK, so here is what I signed. I may have been a little mistaken. But he did say, "if you modify the car, Hyundai will not honor the warranty" I guess refer to sentence 3 or 4.View attachment 33470

OK, it is a pretty good explanation. One of the side effects is to make the customer think he should always go to the dealer for service.

 

[joegr]

Yeah. That's not a wavier, so no problem. I suspect that signing that really doesn't mean anything. It's just their way of warning you about it. Maybe they've had to fight some other customer(s) that didn't understand the limitations of the warranty and the act.

 

[StarPower]

That looks more like a statement of understanding than a waiver. By signing it, you agree that you understand what the Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act says, not that you waive your rights under it.

I've never dealt with a dealer trying to deny a warranty claim due to aftermarket parts. However, the cynic in me suspects that you would probably need a lawyer to fight the dealership if they try to deny a claim, and the dealership knows that a lawyer likely costs more than most repairs.

 

[Terry @ BMS]

That is not what's agreed to, and not what the Act claims. If you modify your car, I'm assuming do a tune, remove the cats, enhance the turbos, then you're out of luck if you have motor issues. On my Q50, I had a JB4, and got denied a warranty claim on a blown turbo because they saw I had downpipes. The service manager also told me that they can see peak boost stored, and know where it should be. Downpipes obviously wouldn't hurt the warranty if let's say the power seat went bad, but then they wouldn't be looking under the car for that kind of repair. If you wanna go up against Hyundai corporate good luck, I tried against Infiniti and it didn't work out well at all.

With the JB4 the car only ever sees factory boost levels, but with downpipes since they are illegal in the USA due to emissions compliance, they almost always void for those. DPs can also cause turbo oil seal issues on some vehicles.

 

[slimjim2525]

With the JB4 the car only ever sees factory boost levels, but with downpipes since they are illegal in the USA due to emissions compliance, they almost always void for those. DPs can also cause turbo oil seal issues on some vehicles.

That's good to know. Then the service guy was BS'ing me.

 

[PFWiz]

Honestly, I did not read the entire sheet. But the first line said "waiver of Magnuson Moss Act". The person who you sign the paperwork with said, "this states that if you modify your car, Hyundai will not warrant the car".

Why would anyone ever sign a contract they did not read? Especially at a car dealership. You wouldn't happen to be interested in buying a bridge would you?

 

[PMCErnie]

Oh, good, the world has not ended.

 

[3.3 Rulz]

I would have told him: "I always change the oil, and filters myself, I'm not going to waste a day and a ton of money for labor to put in a new cabin air filter once a year..., if you have a problem with that you can keep the car"