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New to us 2009 genesis 3.8

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Ok guys my parents just bought a 09 genesis 1 owner and 62k miles. Seemed to be a cream puff, drove very well and everything checked out.

After driving for several hours on the highway my father noticed that the brakes felt “bumpy”. Like the abs was kicking on under light braking even tho he was gradually braking. He thought it was the rotors but the previous owner was meticulous. And the brakes were just replaced a month ago. (No mention of rotors )

this lead me to do some digging and now I am coming up with the dreaded ABS ISSUES these years are plagued with. There are no lights on the dash at all and just passed inspection (including a brake test)

This is a little concerning as he paid a PREMIUM FOR THIS VEHICLE. (Private sale).

I have looked up the vin and the dealer did service the abs and did a fluid change in 2014. I’m trying to cover all the bases here. And really don’t want to go for over 2k for a new abs module.

other then brake failure which he hasn’t had. What other symptoms can arise from the hecu does the problem he is experiencing sound like the beginning ?

How do I identify exactly what HECU I would need t swap out from a newer model (2013+).

all in all the car is beautiful but I want to make sure it is safe
 
There was a brake recall, have you checked into that? It had to do with a change in fluid, I believe from Dot 3 to Dot 4 as well as the brake switch.
I have a 2010 which has had the recall work done. Previous owner stated on the service records from the dealer that "Brakes feel mushy/inconsistent". Recall work was performed and no more complaints. I haven't had any issues either.
 
A shame your family experiencing this issue. I'm the original owner of a 2009 Genesis 3.8 with 47,000 miles and never experienced an issue with the brakes. I am curious about what cars like mine are getting in the marketplace.
 
There was a brake recall, have you checked into that? It had to do with a change in fluid, I believe from Dot 3 to Dot 4 as well as the brake switch.
I have a 2010 which has had the recall work done. Previous owner stated on the service records from the dealer that "Brakes feel mushy/inconsistent". Recall work was performed and no more complaints. I haven't had any issues either.

yes. I stated that the brake flush was done in 2014 under warranty.... I’m trying to troubleshoot from there
 
A shame your family experiencing this issue. I'm the original owner of a 2009 Genesis 3.8 with 47,000 miles and never experienced an issue with the brakes. I am curious about what cars like mine are getting in the marketplace.
9,500
 
My money's on the rotors.
 
yes. I stated that the brake flush was done in 2014 under warranty.... I’m trying to troubleshoot from there
But was the actual recall done? A brake flush by putting the same fluid back in which is known to cause issues isn't the same thing as having the recall work done. You can check on Hyundai's website by vin if any outstanding recall work needs to be done on the car and what recall work has already been done. (My car had 4 items related to the brakes done).

If it was in fact done, it could be the rotors need to be replaced if the pads were done but the rotors were never replaced at the same time. Since the old rotors won't form the bond needed since they're already coated with the previous pads material etc. That's why it's always recommended to replace pads and rotors together.
 
But was the actual recall done? A brake flush by putting the same fluid back in which is known to cause issues isn't the same thing as having the recall work done. You can check on Hyundai's website by vin if any outstanding recall work needs to be done on the car and what recall work has already been done. (My car had 4 items related to the brakes done).

If it was in fact done, it could be the rotors need to be replaced if the pads were done but the rotors were never replaced at the same time. Since the old rotors won't form the bond needed since they're already coated with the previous pads material etc. That's why it's always recommended to replace pads and rotors together.

yes the recall was done brakes seem fine other then that. That’s why I was leaning towards the rotors. But then saw about this abs issue. And started stressing out

edit. Pads only were done
 
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Why not take it to a dealer and get an estimate?

By the way, there is no such thing as a cream puff for a car that was built 12 years ago. I’m not sure it was wise to pay a premium for it either. What was the cost?
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Why not take it to a dealer and get an estimate?

By the way, there is no such thing as a cream puff for a car that was built 12 years ago. I’m not sure it was wise to pay a premium for it either. What was the cost?
9,500 Also just read the receipts with the car and when the brakes were done it was just pads and inspection. That is a good sign pointing to the rotors but don’t know just yet
 
Update :

My Father took car out for another ride. Cruise control works.
pedal feels great
Nothing wrong at slow speeds. At faster speeds he
feels it more and the faster you go the more he feels the brakes. Acting up
 
Update :

My Father took car out for another ride. Cruise control works.
pedal feels great
Nothing wrong at slow speeds. At faster speeds he
feels it more and the faster you go the more he feels the brakes. Acting up
The sweet spot to diagnose scored rotors is at about 40 mph. The steering wheel shakes.
 
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Well, let's look at ALL the components that can transmit vibrations that you would most likely feel.
Unbalanced wheels, inner and outer tie rods, control arms, ball joints, stuck brake calipers, worn rotors.

It could literally be ANY one of these components.

I've been through every one of these situations over the years and they can all feel relatively the same.
My wifes car when her caliper was sticking wouldn't vibrate until about 60 mph at which point she could feel it in the steering wheel, 80 mph it would violently shake and you'd hear a low rumble. It was a rear caliper that was sticking. Easy to figure out. Get out of the car and put your hand by each wheel to check how much heat is coming out of it. The hottest wheel is the one with the sticking caliper.

However, as I mentioned, it may not actually be brakes at all.
 
Worn suspension bushings can also cause such symptoms. The normal loads on suspension parts lead to bushings getting an oval-shaped worn spot typically (where the bolt passes through); applying the brakes however changes the overall force direction/pattern. The wear in the bushings, when subjected to braking forces, may allow suspension parts to move in undesired ways. Putting the car on a lift and FIRMLY wiggling the joints is how most shops look for such problems. The same tests will also find worn ball joints and other worn suspension parts. Another issue I've seen on Hyundais is the metal sleeves inside the rubber bushings (that suspension bolts pass through) gets rusted. This rust jams the sleeve against the bolt, preventing the two parts from twisting/rotating around each other freely as the suspension moves up/down. This is quite common on the lower shock absorber mount. When this happens, the suspension has excessive friction... so more road irregularities and vibrations make it into the cabin. Under moderate to heavy braking, where nose-dive is common, the nose-dive is suspension movement that is over-resisted by this friction leading to odd feelings in the cabin. In extreme cases, the rust really jams the bushing to the bolt for nominal suspension motion but, when driving over a larger bump, the larger suspension motions generate enough force to override the jam - the bushing "pops" free often with an audible clunk and a "whack" to the cabin.

Another gotcha is over-tightening the lug nuts; this can bend/warp a brake rotor leading to pulsing in the brake pedal.

If the brake caliper does not slide properly, the brakes will not release properly. This creates extra drag while driving, and creates heat in the affected brake. Calipers are mounted via two bolts that pass through the caliper typically; when you apply the brakes the caliper piston pushes on one brake pad. Once that pad is against the rotor, further piston pressure causes the whole caliper to move until the other pad is against the rotor. At this point, the brakes are hardly doing anything... more pressure on the brake pedal though pushes the piston harder, making it press one pad more firmly into the rotor; the forces also make the caliper slide a tad bit more, squeezing the other pad into the rotor as well. When working properly, the sliding action of the caliper assures both pads are equally sharing the work. However, when the grease on the caliper bolts is missing or rust has built up on the bolts, the excess friction leads to lopsided pad pressures. And that same friction means the caliper won't slide back when you release the brakes so one brake pad never fully "lets go" and drags. Water in the brake fluid can lead to a thin layer of rust on the piston or inside the caliper; this rust creates friction on the piston so it doesn't release properly (when you lift off the brake pedal) leading to brake drag. Any brake drag creates heat which can warp the rotor. That same heat screws up the pads too leading to inconsistent braking action.

Contaminates on the rotor (especially grease, oil, or leaking brake fluid) lead to spots where the pad-to-rotor grip drops; that induces a pulsing feel in the braking action but not in the brake pedal as it doesn't cause fluctuations in brake fluid pressures. It feels similar to trying to brake on patchy snow or patchy ice. Cleaning the rotors (after the car has been parked and the brakes have cooled!) with a can of spray brake cleaner fixes this. Spray both sides of the rotor, rotate the wheel a bit to access the part of the rotor hidden by the brake pads, and spray again.

A normal brake pad replacement job should include removing the rotors and having them "turned" on a brake lathe machine. This machine cuts a thin layer of metal off both faces of the rotor so any grooves or other damage from the old pads is removed. It also makes the rotor perfectly flat or "true" - i.e. it cures any warpage of the rotor - which eliminates the usual cause of brake pedal pulsing. Rotors can typically be turned once or twice before they are too thin; once too thin they must be replaced.

The ABS HECU issue that lead to the recall was due to corrosion building up on the HECU internal parts, jamming them. The parts are coated with a material that lets them be machined very smooth and to very tight tolerances. But this coating wasn't too resistant to water... When jammed, the net result was NO braking action - the HECU typically got stuck in the position that relieves brake fluid pressure to un-lock a locked (skidding) wheel. The brake pedal, in this case, would often go to the floor with little to no braking action. Standard DOT-3 brake fluid is hydroscopic which means it absorbs humidity/moisture from the air. The DOT-4 fluid called for by the recall is much less hydroscopic. Later HECUs were built with internal coatings that were more resistant to water trapped in the brake fluid. At least that's my understanding of the situation.

mike c.
 
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Hello all, I am the father Gotgrowth is referring too. I do not work on the cars all too much but thankfully he does. Dove the car home over 100 miles and it drives great other than the issue above. Thanks for your help with this.
 
Ok guys my parents just bought a 09 genesis 1 owner and 62k miles. Seemed to be a cream puff, drove very well and everything checked out.

After driving for several hours on the highway my father noticed that the brakes felt “bumpy”. Like the abs was kicking on under light braking even tho he was gradually braking. He thought it was the rotors but the previous owner was meticulous. And the brakes were just replaced a month ago. (No mention of rotors )

this lead me to do some digging and now I am coming up with the dreaded ABS ISSUES these years are plagued with. There are no lights on the dash at all and just passed inspection (including a brake test)

This is a little concerning as he paid a PREMIUM FOR THIS VEHICLE. (Private sale).

I have looked up the vin and the dealer did service the abs and did a fluid change in 2014. I’m trying to cover all the bases here. And really don’t want to go for over 2k for a new abs module.

other then brake failure which he hasn’t had. What other symptoms can arise from the hecu does the problem he is experiencing sound like the beginning ?

How do I identify exactly what HECU I would need t swap out from a newer model (2013+).

all in all the car is beautiful but I want to make sure it is safe

When the HECU fails in the '09, you will know it. The pedal will go to the floor and you'll have no brakes. Ask me how I know. Pumping the pedal hard (as if you life depends on it, because it does) and downshifting the manumatic if equipped or PRNDL to low and mashing the parking brake (IIRC it's a manual pedal on the '09) may help. If by "Bumpy" you mean vibrating or stick-slipping behavior ... it is not the HECU.

If you're getting a yellow ABS light when applying light-to-moderate brakes at highway speeds, then look for faults there (wheel speed sensor, etc.).

If no ABS light, then pedal and steering wheel vibration during braking could be a number of things, including warped rotors and uneven pad transfer to the rotors. Both are easy enough to verify.
 
When the HECU fails in the '09, you will know it. The pedal will go to the floor and you'll have no brakes. Ask me how I know. Pumping the pedal hard (as if you life depends on it, because it does) and downshifting the manumatic if equipped or PRNDL to low and mashing the parking brake (IIRC it's a manual pedal on the '09) may help. If by "Bumpy" you mean vibrating or stick-slipping behavior ... it is not the HECU.

If you're getting a yellow ABS light when applying light-to-moderate brakes at highway speeds, then look for faults there (wheel speed sensor, etc.).

If no ABS light, then pedal and steering wheel vibration during braking could be a number of things, including warped rotors and uneven pad transfer to the rotors. Both are easy enough to verify.
I am having the car checked out locally later today. I will post what we find.

I did not drive it the last 2 days but this is what I have noticed prior. No ABS light on. The pedal feels good and is pretty high. No wheel vibration I detected. When applying the brakes softly especially at slower speeds hardly noticeable if at all. The faster you go and harder you need to brake is when it is really felt it. The vibration is more of a back and forth feeling like the car is stopping harding at certain parts of the wheel rotation. Sort of like the abs is engaging but at least to me, not as hard. You can hear it also.

Keeping my fingers crossed.
 
As it turns out, the issue appears to be front rotors and pads. Any suggestions?
 
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