I have to say it, the G70 needs a new transmission ASAP

[ViR]

they call the 340 a sports sedan too and its not.

as for the 340i and the ZF, it needs a tune to change shift points and decrease shift speed if you want it to act like an actual performance transmission. As it sits with stock software, its designed for longevity and smoothness while sacrificing performance, similar to what the stock software on the g70 is.

But its still better than current config on G70, and, at least in 240i, ZF does not go into slow and buggy mode..

 

[ViR]

Anyways.... I agree with OP, tranny sucks and ZF or dual clutch would make G70 a much better vehicle.

Everyone who didn't say gtfo for expressing my opinion and personal driving experience: Have a wonderful day!

 

[CoconutRob]

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[CoconutRob]

The g70 is exactly what it's supposed to be and it's very good at it. If you wanted a track day car maybe you should have chosen one of these ,I mean come on a manual Mustang HELLO!

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[EdP]

What do you call a product that is exactly the same except for one thing? Just because you don't think that transmission is supposed to perform well under heavy load doesn't make it equivalent to the transmission that do.

What if it was 1 lap before it starts to overheat? Would that be bad or still acceptable? MECHANICALLY its an inferior product (or electronically if TCU tune fixes it, which I doubt since safety features were put there for a reason).

Just because you don't think that its a valid metric? What if tranny in 328 would shit gold bricks, its completely unrelated, but it would make G70 an inferior product because it doesn't do that.

Again, I did not see any technical explanation of why G70 tranny is not crap besides "it was not designed to perform". Please tell me, copy paste it.
Just because its not designed to perform (in a sports sedan?!?!) does not make it less crap comparing to the competition.

Now you are changing terms. What was previously flawed is now inferior.

The G70 tranny performs well for the functions it was designed for. That is good engineering. Can others outperform it under other circumstances? Yes. Does it matter in my life? No. If it matters in yours, find a different product.

If you are hunting sparrows that .22 rifle can do the job. It is not effective on elephants so you call it crap.

So here is a cut and past for you:
Good engineering practices are to ensure that the development and/or manufacturing effort consistently generates deliverables that support the requirements for qualification or validation.

The G70 trans delivers as intended.

 

[csu87]

But its still better than current config on G70, and, at least in 240i, ZF does not go into slow and buggy mode..

slow and buggy mode is 100% a function of wear and tear mitigation in the genesis. and since BMW barely warranties their cars, they dont care if it doesnt last 4 years.

 

[ViR]

Now you are changing terms. What was previously flawed is now inferior.

The G70 tranny performs well for the functions it was designed for. That is good engineering. Can others outperform it under other circumstances? Yes. Does it matter in my life? No. If it matters in yours, find a different product.

If you are hunting sparrows that .22 rifle can do the job. It is not effective on elephants so you call it crap.

So here is a cut and past for you:
Good engineering practices are to ensure that the development and/or manufacturing effort consistently generates deliverables that support the requirements for qualification or validation.

The G70 trans delivers as intended.

Again, you are just defending cost cutting?

Manufacturers listed below have decided to include a better performing transmission but you keep insisting that "Genesis met the requirements".
Clearly we have different requirements, but when comparing apples to apples, direct competitors to G70 have a better transmission.
Its a fact....
Just because you might not use full potential of the transmission on 340i, for example, does not magically make G70 transmission superior. Performance is not better, its not equivalent, its WORSE. Its performs "good enough" for 90% of the people who drive this car, but the fact it, its performance still inferior.

Every other manufacturer seems to have the same opinion as I do, and included a better performing "sporty" transmission (even if you don't think its a requirement). You can call me stupid for bringing 308 to hunt sparrows, but so did the other 22 guys below and their hunting is good.

Alfa Romeo
Alpina
Aston Martin
Audi
Bentley
BMW
Chrysler
Dodge
Great Wall Motors
Haval
Iveco
Jaguar
Jeep
Lamborghini
Lancia
Land Rover
Maserati
Porsche
Ram Trucks
Rolls-Royce
Toyota
VinFast

 

[csu87]

Again, you are just defending cost cutting?

Manufacturers listed below have decided to include a better performing transmission but you keep insisting that "Genesis met the requirements".
Clearly we have different requirements, but when comparing apples to apples, direct competitors to G70 have a better transmission.
Its a fact....
Just because you might not use full potential of the transmission on 340i, for example, does not magically make G70 transmission superior. Performance is not better, its not equivalent, its WORSE. Its performs "good enough" for 90% of the people who drive this car, but the fact it, its performance still inferior.

Every other manufacturer seems to have the same opinion as I do, and included a better performing "sporty" transmission (even if you don't think its a requirement). You can call me stupid for bringing 308 to hunt sparrows, but so did the other 22 guys below and their hunting is good.

Alfa Romeo
Alpina
Aston Martin
Audi
Bentley
BMW
Chrysler
Dodge
Great Wall Motors
Haval
Iveco
Jaguar
Jeep
Lamborghini
Lancia
Land Rover
Maserati
Porsche
Ram Trucks
Rolls-Royce
Toyota
VinFast

now youre just listing companies that have ZF transmissions like they are all the same. I can guarantee you the tranny in the g70 is miles better than the zf in my ram in terms of shift performance.

 

[ViR]

slow and buggy mode is 100% a function of wear and tear mitigation in the genesis. and since BMW barely warranties their cars, they dont care if it doesnt last 4 years.

Reliability of the G70 tranny could be better than in BMW, but besides BMW, ZF sells millions of trannies to other manufacturers.
And still, performance wise, ZF is better. And there are still dual clutch like PDK, DSG, etc...

They could have taken Veloster N' DCT.. they wouldn't design and use an unreliable transmission, right?

 

[Beefer]

^ go sell your car (if you even own a G70) and go hang on the BMW board and bug the piss out of them.

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[csu87]

Reliability of the G70 tranny could be better than in BMW, but besides BMW, ZF sells millions of trannies to other manufacturers.
And still, performance wise, ZF is better. And there are still dual clutch like PDK, DSG, etc...

They could have taken Veloster N' DCT.. they wouldn't design and use an unreliable transmission, right?

well the veloster has what? 200hp/tq stock? not exactly the same...

 

[ViR]

^ go sell your car (if you even own a G70) and go hang on the BMW board and bug the piss out of them.

I do own a G70.. I like everything about G70 except for the tranny, but seems like everyone is too hurt about hearing a different opinion.

well the veloster has what? 200hp/tq stock? not exactly the same...

Then they should design something that can hold more torque..
By the way ZF 8HP75 used in Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio is the same as in Dodge RAM..

 

[EdP]

Again, you are just defending cost cutting?

Manufacturers listed below have decided to include a better performing transmission but you keep insisting that "Genesis met the requirements".
Clearly we have different requirements, but when comparing apples to apples, direct competitors to G70 have a better transmission.
Its a fact....
Just because you might not use full potential of the transmission on 340i, for example, does not magically make G70 transmission superior. Performance is not better, its not equivalent, its WORSE. Its performs "good enough" for 90% of the people who drive this car, but the fact it, its performance still inferior.

Every other manufacturer seems to have the same opinion as I do, and included a better performing "sporty" transmission (even if you don't think its a requirement). You can call me stupid for bringing 308 to hunt sparrows, but so did the other 22 guys below and their hunting is good.

Cost cutting? No, defending good engineering. I see no reason to pay more for something I'm not going to use.
The list of cars you had is impressive and some are rather costly. I bought Genesis because it has all the features I want for thousands less than Bentley and RR.

Evidently, Genesis is not the car for you. One of the others on your list may be a better value. My life has changed since buying my second Genesis so my next car may even be a Sonata. I won't be taking it on the track and I drive less miles than in the past.

I will, however, continue to eat good steaks and modest wine as the high priced wines are beyond my taste buds. Should I decide to track cars, I'll buy one designed for it.

 

[Husky]

I don't understand the premise of your claim. Just because there may be a "better" 8 speed tranny out there (in more expensive cars) does not make the one in the Genesis "crap". Is the Formula 1 driver who comes in second place a crappy driver?
It's also interesting that the chassis development was supposedly done with a significant amount of track time at The 'Ring - so the tranny must have been able to handle some track time.
The bottom line is it works fine for its intended purpose, and satisfies the vast majority of its owners. A crap transmission wouldn't.

 

[csu87]

Then they should design something that can hold more torque..
By the way ZF 8HP75 used in Alfa Romeo Quadrifoglio is the same as in Dodge RAM..

its the same transmission but different software and im sure other parts. my ram shifts like a blind granny with Alzheimer's

and they did design something that holds more torque, its in the g70

 

[ViR]

Cost cutting? No, defending good engineering. I see no reason to pay more for something I'm not going to use.
The list of cars you had is impressive and some are rather costly. I bought Genesis because it has all the features I want for thousands less than Bentley and RR.

Evidently, Genesis is not the car for you. One of the others on your list may be a better value. My life has changed since buying my second Genesis so my next car may even be a Sonata. I won't be taking it on the track and I drive less miles than in the past.

I will, however, continue to eat good steaks and modest wine as the high priced wines are beyond my taste buds. Should I decide to track cars, I'll buy one designed for it.

Or possibly Genesis is not a car for you. I'm complaining about missing sport features on a sports sedan and you are ok with Sonata.
3.3T, Brembo brakes, stiff-ish suspension... car is designed to be taken to the track if the owner chooses to do so.

Car is not under engineered for me, its over engineered for you

Why did they include 3.3T with 365HP? Should have made it 299HP for reliability and smoothness..

 

[EdP]

Or possibly Genesis is not a car for you. I'm complaining about missing sport features on a sports sedan and you are ok with Sonata.
3.3T, Brembo brakes, stiff-ish suspension... car is designed to be taken to the track if the owner chooses to do so.

Car is not under engineered for me, its over engineered for you

Why did they include 3.3T with 365HP? Should have made it 299HP for reliability and smoothness..

The put the 365 hp for the driver that likes to use it. Works well getting on the highway and getting away at a light, but it does not mean the car was designed for the track. Different use.

 

[ViR]

The put the 365 hp for the driver that likes to use it. Works well getting on the highway and getting away at a light, but it does not mean the car was designed for the track. Different use.

Car and Driver thinks otherwise "Luxury rarely has a place on a racetrack, but the Genesis G70 seems to fit in just fine at VIR."

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This sports sedan fits in at VIR better than its close relative the Kia Stinger GT.

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If they put 365Hp for driver to use, they could have but a better tranny for driver to use as well.. they didnt to save money.. or maybe to practice their inhouse development. But definitely not to impress everyone with superiority, because its not there.

 

[jetrep]

Just because a magazine article suggests the car performed better than expected on the track doesn't mean it's a track car.

The reason you're getting so much resistance is because you're presenting a terrible argument. You're saying because it's not the best transmission on the market today that it's junk. Most of us have experienced truly bad transmissions so feel comfortable defending this transmission as less than perfect but far from junk.

 

[[NOBODY]]

Not according to Genesis. First google hit, link to Genesis: The New 2021 Genesis G70 - Compact Luxury Sports Sedan

Even then, other sporty sedans have trannies that do not suck.. We do..




340i has ZF ..

Man, shut up. Just shut up. You are ruining this site. People like you are argumentative jerks, you just like to argue and you are never wrong, no matter how idiotic and logic-free your current argument is. This is no longer about any transmission, it's just about your ego, you were shown to be wrong a while back, and every single pair of eyes here (besides yours) knows that this transmission is excellent and responsive. There is no argument to be had here, no discussion left, just the sound of your one hand clapping in a forrest full of downed trees that no one heard, or cared about. Please go darn your socks for no one elsewhere.