2011's release?

[corfu11]

Just wondering if anyone knows when the 11's will come out (or for that matter what month the 10's were released. Considering purchase options at this point.

ty

 

[TJPark01]

Just wondering if anyone knows when the 11's will come out (or for that matter what month the 10's were released. Considering purchase options at this point.

ty

They won't tell you, because they fear that the current inventory will go unsold due to people waiting for the new year models to arrive. One day they just kinda show up at the dealership, no rhyme or reason to it, every manufacturer is different and every model release is different, there's no decipherable pattern. Aside from introductory new models, I will say that it's "usually" around the last quarter of the calendar year.

 

[jwaters943]

TJ hit the nail on the head. The 2010s started rolling into the dealers the 4th quarter of 2009, so I'd expect the same to be true of the 2011. October at the earliest, but probably Nov. for most dealers. Most automakers are deliberately vague with this type of information until a month or so before the vehicles arrive at dealers for precisely the reasons TJ listed.

 

[ctrcbob]

The one I'm waiting for is the Sonata HYBRID. I'm tired of looking at the Prius and to a lessor extent the Fusion Hybrid (which is a hxll of a nice hybrid).

 

[TJPark01]

The one I'm waiting for is the Sonata HYBRID. I'm tired of looking at the Prius and to a lessor extent the Fusion Hybrid (which is a hxll of a nice hybrid).

When I was in London in 2007, gas was the equivalent of $10 a gallon. Now it's not apples to apples comparison, because most people don't drive, and there is a lot of diesel application there as well. My point is, that it can happen here. I'm hesitant to buy a new car outright for fear of newer propulsion systems rendering my car to typewriter status. I'm more inclined to lease a car for 3 years and see where the market goes. But my father who is 63 said: "By the time they figure out all this electric car hype, from the grid,to the political,to the reliability issues, to mass market distribution, I'll be pushing daises."
He's got a point.

 

[jwaters943]

We're getting off topic, but we're seriously considering the Nissan Leaf or Prius as a 2nd vehicle. It's perfect for trips around town and the hatchback style makes it practical for people with dogs. We will always have at least one hatchback of some sort in our household due to our dogs which is why cars like the Prius appeal to us more than sedan hybrids ala Sonata/Fusion. The next-gen Elantra is supposed to be out within a few months, lets hope they offer a hybrid version of the Touring wagon.

 

[DavidNJ]

The Prius is a chassis in search of propulsion system. 2900# with a heavy battery pack. As a conventionally powered vehicle (say with VWs 140hp diesel) it would probably way 2700# and beat its current highway mileage comfortably.

The biggest hybrid advantage by far is turning off the engine at idle. However that doesn't require much, just a larger battery/alternator and converting the engine ancillaries to electric power (A/C, PS, water pump). The Mini 1.6D micro hybrid exceeds Prius numbers and weighs under 2800#. The Prius is more aerodynamic and has lower rolling resistance tires.

Plug-in electric power is a myth. Modifying the grid to handle it and adding road taxes to the electricity eliminate the cost advantage. Unless you are using nuclear power, there is no real environmental advantage. In urban areas, where hybrids would be most advantageous, parking is done on street or non-owner owned garages. Arranging for plug-in recharge in these areas would be problematic and expensive.

Diesel is great; however the US crack petroleum differently than Europe resulting in less diesel. The US builds very few new refineries; the adoption of diesel for automotive use would probably have to go with converting trucks and homes to natural gas.

 

[jwaters943]

Hybrids > Diesels

A sharp increase in demand for diesel would only raise the price further over gasoline, and it's been proven time and time again that the new Prius is more efficient under a variety of circumstances than the Golf TDI.

 

[DavidNJ]

If you put the Golf drivetrain in the Prius it would best the Prius. The issue is the Prius is a very lightweight, aerodynamic chassis with politically focused drivetrain.

90% of the urban advantage of a hybrid comes from shutting off the engine at idle.

 

[nearwater]

Back on topic, the 2011 is said to have GDI added to the current engines, which will make it more fuel efficient while achieving higher peak HP numbers.
Best of both worlds, eh?
Also, the 8 speed automatic transmission will be added along with a minor face lift.

Dan

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[Mark_888]

Back on topic, the 2011 is said to have GDI added to the current engines, which will make it more fuel efficient while achieving higher peak HP numbers.
Best of both worlds, eh?

There are potential drawbacks to direct injection, namely that the risk of fuel dilution (fuel into the oil crankcase) increases significantly. That is why many German car manufacturers with direct injection specify synthetic oil.

 

[DavidNJ]

Direct Injection would be HUGE. Although, I haven't heard that in the pipeline.

The Sonata, also an excellent chassis, only uses 11.3 static compression with its GDI. Audi uses 12.5. That was probably done to use regular fuel.

GDI let the engineers hang the intake valve open later without sending fuel laden mixture back in the intake. As a result, they can get an Atkinson cycle's big expansion ratio while having a livable dynamic compression ratio.

An 8-speed DI V6 Genesis could hit 30mpg on a highway cycle.

 

[Aquineas]

The one I'm waiting for is the Sonata HYBRID. I'm tired of looking at the Prius and to a lessor extent the Fusion Hybrid (which is a hxll of a nice hybrid).

That Fusion is a nice car all around.

As for the 2011 model, I'm sure I'm going to kick myself in about 6 months, but I'm honestly not sure the transmission on my Acura would have lasted that long (at 160K miles, it was time).

 

[ASHDUMP]

I have nothing against hybrids or electric cars, but I could never buy one named "Leaf". Something really F'd up with that name.

 

[DavidNJ]

That Fusion is a nice car all around.

As for the 2011 model, I'm sure I'm going to kick myself in about 6 months, but I'm honestly not sure the transmission on my Acura would have lasted that long (at 160K miles, it was time).

The Fusion is an 'ok' car at best. It looks cheap in execution; even the Lincoln version looks cheap (and costs the same as a Genesis).

The Fusion hybrid has a ridiculously small small trunk with no fold down rear seat. Ditto the Camry hybrid. A stark comparison to the huge load area in the Prius which does have a fold down rear seat.

 

[TJPark01]

The Fusion is an 'ok' car at best. It looks cheap in execution; even the Lincoln version looks cheap (and costs the same as a Genesis).

The Fusion hybrid has a ridiculously small small trunk with no fold down rear seat. Ditto the Camry hybrid. A stark comparison to the huge load area in the Prius which does have a fold down rear seat.

I'm a Ford guy, and I have to agree with this. With all the praise the Fusion Hybrid gets, I really don't see it. The minute you step inside, you immediately think, Hertz and Avis. The car with some options starts pushing 35k. That's Genesis,G37,Maxima,Lexus ES 350 category. When you get into any of those cars, you don't think rental car.

 

[nearwater]

I'm a Ford guy, and I have to agree with this. With all the praise the Fusion Hybrid gets, I really don't see it. The minute you step inside, you immediately think, Hertz and Avis. The car with some options starts pushing 35k. That's Genesis,G37,Maxima,Lexus ES 350 category. When you get into any of those cars, you don't think rental car.

Good point.
I have first hand experience with almost every GM cars. While their quality has improved a lot, it's still not up to par with german/japanese cars.
Ford has been doing very good recently, and I think the newer Mustangs and Tauruses have great interior.
I sat in the interior briefly during the NAIAS, and thought it was pretty good.
I'll have to say I didn't get a chance to get into a Fusion, but the Lincoln MKS' interior was superb.
But then again, it was priced at $50k

Dan

 

[TJPark01]

Good point.
I have first hand experience with almost every GM cars. While their quality has improved a lot, it's still not up to par with german/japanese cars.
Ford has been doing very good recently, and I think the newer Mustangs and Tauruses have great interior.
I sat in the interior briefly during the NAIAS, and thought it was pretty good.
I'll have to say I didn't get a chance to get into a Fusion, but the Lincoln MKS' interior was superb.
But then again, it was priced at $50k

Dan

Ford is doing a better job for the most part then the other 2 domestics, although I have to say I'm liking what I'm seeing out of Cadillac and Buick from a design point of view.
However, I think all of the big 3 are way behind in the quality department. All new cars start out great, but after 3/5/10 years what do they look like? American cars start to come unglued in that area and hence you see poor resale values versus their Japanese/German (not VW's or Audi's) counterparts.
Let's see how the Genesis does, only time will tell...

 

[danieltoye101@msn.com]

Whenever the 2011 comes out watch what the Equus will look like as my thinking is that the both Equus and Genesis will have simular grills and back ends of course there will no mistaken that the Equus will be the flagship. Hyundai has been a work in progress and it fun to see which direction they will turn to next

 

[Aquineas]

The Fusion is an 'ok' car at best. It looks cheap in execution; even the Lincoln version looks cheap (and costs the same as a Genesis).

The Fusion hybrid has a ridiculously small small trunk with no fold down rear seat. Ditto the Camry hybrid. A stark comparison to the huge load area in the Prius which does have a fold down rear seat.

Then we agree to disagree! I'd buy a Fusion over a Camry.