I have to say it, the G70 needs a new transmission ASAP

[Husky]

Yeah, it doesn't seem that they could be accurate, with a rating right around the engine's actual output.

 

[MrMegadeth]

Yes, I'm positive that Wiki entry has been updated once per Rev on the transmission. Plus, no doubt the author was the lead engineer on the Genesis project.

No references on that Wikipedia page. None! Looks like the entire page was written by one guy... Who made edits 12 minutes ago.

I'm always skeptical of design specs on Wikipedia... How would anyone know those numbers. Anyone have an independent source?

 

[V1s1on1]

I think everyone's forgetting something here (Correct me if I'm wrong). A BMW 340i is about 73K CAD before tax that has all the options the G70 3.3T Sport has, and the Genesis G70 is 58K CAD before tax, you can almost buy another brand new car with the 15K CAD you save. To me the price difference justifies a transmission that isn't GREAT or the BEST, but more like good enough.

Food for thought also, Genesis is Hyundai's new luxury brand, keyword luxury here. For Genesis luxury comes first, sporty comes second, so in terms of luxury, yeah the G70's transmission is great, the car is overall is amazing, it doesn't win Car of the Year by being a mediocre car. Now the "sport" part of the car, its great IMO, but when comparing to others like the M340i, M240i, C43 AMG, performance wise yeah it's not exactly there yet, that I will 100% agree. What makes the G70 so compelling and great is the price point, I've driven a tuned M240i, and I'll be the first to admit the transmission is better, BUT when I saw the price of one with the features the G70 Sport has, it's a no brainer which car I would pick, and that's the G70 3.3T. Call me poor, call me cheap, but the G70 is the best bang for your buck in the Luxury Sports Sedan category for cars.

Also comparing the G70 to the M340i, as much as their competitors, you also need to take into account that the 3-Series is on it's 7th generation, it's had time to grow, to be perfected, and it rightfully has, so you damn well know the car will be a great performing car on the street and on the track. Also it's a BMW, they live, breathe, and bleed motorsport. Even out of the big 3 German automakers (BMW, Mercedes, Audi) they're to me the most "sporty" As for the G70 it's on its first generation (yeah 2022 is "new" but its more of a facelift than anything) the car itself still needs to grow. To expect the G70 to be the best street and track machine right out the gate is a tall order that almost no company has done. Could Genesis have out-sourced their transmission to ZF? Yes for sure, but why would they? Let alone would ZF have given them the transmission to begin with? (from my limited research of vehicles/brands with ZF transmissions, they all have European ties) For a "new" brand with the backing of Hyundai, why wouldn't they want to use a in-house pre-existing transmission that works and is good first, instead of either out-sourcing one and telling everyone hey we're not good enough, or spending millions of dollars to engineer one that might be good? (Look at the flack the MKV Toyota Supra got) Yes, Hyundai has a DCT in the Veloster, but if I'm correct that transmission isn't strong enough to deal with the torque the G70 has, and it's also FWD.

The issue here I think is that the OP and ViR is stating the transmission is crap, or shit, or garbage, or that when you take it to the track it doesn't run. (Don't remind me about the videos that the OP posted in the first few posts) That to me is pure false. I've seen multiple G70's on the track, and even been to an event where they took us out in a G70 on the track, with a Pro driver driving. They said the car was great for what it is. Whether or not they were paid to say that or not who knows but for arguments sake let's say they truly meant it. So clearly the transmission or the car isn't shit, or garbage or doesn't run because there's actual proof that it does run, and perform as it needs. Now is it the best transmission or car for the track? Of course not, an M3, or a Camaro SS, or the M340i etc are/maybe better, but just cause something is better than the other doesn't make said transmission or car "shit". (I'm a mechanic at GM, driven 650HP Z06s, Camaro SS, ZL1, ZL1 1LE's and trust me GM makes sub par "performance" automatics IMO) For example, Chris Harris compared a Mclaren Senna to a Mclaren 650S GT3, 650S GT3 was a better track car because well it was built for the track but so is the Senna. But does this make the Senna shit? or that it has a shit transmission, or that it needs to replaced immediately and that Mclaren made a mistake? No, it's just that the 650S GT3 is 1. built for the track more so than the Senna, and 2. just better. Just because something isn't as good as something doesn't make it shit, or garbage, it's just not as good plain and simple. Is a Corvette shit/crap because it's compared to a LaFerrari? or is a Porsche GT3 Cup Car garbage because it's being compared to a F1 car? I don't think so.

And just to put this in the "argument" uhhhhh.... if we're talking about transmissions and track driving, why are we talking about automatics again? Isn't "manual" king of the track? and automatics are well "shit"?

Had this same argument on LeaseHacker with BMW brand enthusiast. A damn M340 is $70k USD and hard to find in this market check cars.com - People are Comparing a Sport adv 3.3T that’s $50k USD to a M340 that’s $70k USD and may have even more markups at the dealer. That’s $20k difference or 1/3 of the price. The M340 is basically a specialty car and that isn’t made clear. Like a modified race car. Note: Also they wanted to compare lease deals on 2022 G70 which just came out to a BMW M3 built on a body type that will change next year for the 3 series. People got to stop saying refresh with the G70. What they did to the stinger is a refresh. This is much more than a refresh for the 2022 G70 but less than a model change.

Updated 2023 BMW 3 Series Leaks Online; Looks Nothing Like the 4 Series

Expect mild updates for BMW's compact sport sedan.

www.motortrend.com

Of course the lease deals are possibly good depending on dealer. Compare the deals to 2021 G70. You guys know better than me but it feels like BMW keeps M340 owners on a rat wheel by not releasing it until a year or more after BMW changes the base model. That’s like Genesis doing the Launch edition in 2023 after releasing the car in 2022.

It’s like this moving of the ball to elevate the M340 but when you show the larger argument the brand enthusiast start to pout. I have the 2022 G70 and I don’t want a race car transmission. I want a smooth one.

 

[Jerms3]

Had this same argument on LeaseHacker with BMW brand enthusiast. A damn M340 is $70k USD and hard to find in this market check cars.com - People are Comparing a Sport adv 3.3T that’s $50k USD to a M340 that’s $70k USD and may have even more markups at the dealer. That’s $20k difference or 1/3 of the price. The M340 is basically a specialty car and that isn’t made clear. Like a modified race car. Note: Also they wanted to compare lease deals on 2022 G70 which just came out to a BMW M3 built on a body type that will change next year for the 3 series. People got to stop saying refresh with the G70. What they did to the stinger is a refresh. This is much more than a refresh for the 2022 G70 but less than a model change.

Updated 2023 BMW 3 Series Leaks Online; Looks Nothing Like the 4 Series

Expect mild updates for BMW's compact sport sedan.

www.motortrend.com

Of course the lease deals are possibly good depending on dealer. Compare the deals to 2021 G70. You guys know better than me but it feels like BMW keeps M340 owners on a rat wheel by not releasing it until a year or more after BMW changes the base model. That’s like Genesis doing the Launch edition in 2023 after releasing the car in 2022.

It’s like this moving of the ball to elevate the M340 but when you show the larger argument the brand enthusiast start to pout. I have the 2022 G70 and I don’t want a race car transmission. I want a smooth one.

I don’t know how a lease deal on an M3 is about the same as a Genesis G70, because here in Canada a base 2021 M3 is about $90K lol and the highest trim G70 is $60K……unless there’s something I’m missing (never leased a car btw, so kind of a noob when it comes to lease deals)

My issue is no ones saying the BMW isn’t a better car, but more like saying the transmission is shit because a BMW has a better one is kind of a stretch, just compare the racing pedigree of BMW, and the racing pedigree of Hyundai/Genesis. The fact that Genesis can come this close to BMW on their first crack at a compact “performance” sedan is already something to be proud of. And plus sometimes talking to European brand enthusiasts about other car brands is sometimes like talking to a brick wall

 

[csu87]

The Google says the ZF is rated for up to 1000N-m, so about double the Hyundai unit. (I also saw a number of 770N-m, but still...)

the f30 340i uses the 8hp50. the 8hp50 is rated to 500n-m (~370wtq)

However, everyone knows there are guys running much more than that on them, similar to the hyundai/genesis tranny

 

[csu87]

If these specs were accurate, 80% of Stinger and G70 3.3T transmissions would have long been blown. There are just way too many people running 500-600+ ft/lbs plus brake snip and TCU tunes. The odd one does blow but it's almost always in extreme circumstances.

theres a difference in rated power vs actual max power the tranny can hold.

if they gave the actual amount it can hold, and someone was under that and it failed, theyd be on the hook for it. Most times youll see tranny ratings very similar to the cars' performance ratings. Its not actually what it can support, its what they know it can support 99% of the time with several safety factors.

 

[canucklehead604]

^ pretty much the same with any engineered product. rated load is factored down from an ultimate capacity load. logical approach for a multitude of reasons, both materially as well as cost exposure/insurance risk - among others...

 

[alawadhi3000]

It's Wikipedia... Give me 10 minutes I'll change that.

웹문서의 제목, 현재 페이지(콘텐츠)의 제목 입니다.

현재 페이지(콘텐츠)에 대한 설명

www.hyundai-transys.com

 

[alawadhi3000]

Yes, I'm positive that Wiki entry has been updated once per Rev on the transmission. Plus, no doubt the author was the lead engineer on the Genesis project.

No references on that Wikipedia page. None! Looks like the entire page was written by one guy... Who made edits 12 minutes ago.

I'm always skeptical of design specs on Wikipedia... How would anyone know those numbers. Anyone have an independent source?

All the info I did put on the wiki page is public info.

Low manufacturer torque rating for transmissions is not only a Hyundai thing, its standard practice in the industry, they have different criteria for determining the power rating for the transmission.

 

[V1s1on1]

I don’t know how a lease deal on an M3 is about the same as a Genesis G70, because here in Canada a base 2021 M3 is about $90K lol and the highest trim G70 is $60K……unless there’s something I’m missing (never leased a car btw, so kind of a noob when it comes to lease deals)

My issue is no ones saying the BMW isn’t a better car, but more like saying the transmission is shit because a BMW has a better one is kind of a stretch, just compare the racing pedigree of BMW, and the racing pedigree of Hyundai/Genesis. The fact that Genesis can come this close to BMW on their first crack at a compact “performance” sedan is already something to be proud of. And plus sometimes talking to European brand enthusiasts about other car brands is sometimes like talking to a brick wall

Because it’s not shit. It’s a everyday driving transmission. Throttle house and other reviewers said none of this. Maybe many of you have shit understandings of what transmission goes in which car?
As someone said earlier go get another car… solved…

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[V1s1on1]

Some people in here have older G70 cars and are talking about the transmission. If you don’t have the 2022 you may not be getting the right ride. Throttle house said there’s a huge difference after tuning. If your car is older be clear in your post.

 

[Bhavie]

Some people in here have older G70 cars and are talking about the transmission. If you don’t have the 2022 you may not be getting the right ride. Throttle house said there’s a huge difference after tuning. If your car is older be clear in your post.

What are you referring to? I don't believe there's any difference in the transmission or its tuning between the 2022 and previous model years.

 

[csu87]

Some people in here have older G70 cars and are talking about the transmission. If you don’t have the 2022 you may not be getting the right ride. Throttle house said there’s a huge difference after tuning. If your car is older be clear in your post.

theres no difference in the 2019 tranny vs the 2022 tranny

 

[V1s1on1]

What are you referring to? I don't believe there's any difference in the transmission or its tuning between the 2022 and previous model years.

There is difference in tuning you don’t know watch the reviews. No one said the transmission changed. The drive changed and is better. They all talk about it. I’ve watched like 8 reviews. People coming up in here with 2 and 4 year old cars they got used talking about transmission shifts. No one wants to hear this nonsense. I’ve watched 8 reviews not one said the transmission is slow or bad. Until this thread of nonexperts.

He talks about it here when he drives at the 21 min mark. He clearly says in his view as an expert they changed the drive for 2022 others said the same. He calls the transmission smooth too. Go get another car with this odd thread.

 

[Bhavie]

There is difference in tuning you don’t know watch the reviews. No one said the transmission changed. The drive changed and is better. They all talk about it. I’ve watched like 8 reviews. People coming up in here with 2 and 4 year old cars they got used talking about transmission shifts. No one wants to hear this nonsense. I’ve watched 8 reviews not one said the transmission is slow or bad. Until this thread of nonexperts.

He talks about it here when he drives at the 21 min mark. He clearly says in his view as an expert they changed the drive for 2022 others said the same. He calls the transmission smooth too. Go get another car with this odd thread.

Yikes. You sound bitter and stupid - bad combo.

Reviewers aren't experts. The recurring members here are far more knowledgeable about cars we OWN as opposed to reviewers that have a few hours with them.

There were a select few members who called the tranny slow and they were obliterated. The general consensus is the tranny is quite good (which has been the same since the 2019 g70), so I don't really get who you're talking to or what you're even saying?

There is no difference in the transmission or its tuning between 2022 and earlier models...but you keep watching your reviews. Maybe when you hit 10 you'll get an achievement or some shit.

 

[Jerms3]

There is difference in tuning you don’t know watch the reviews. No one said the transmission changed. The drive changed and is better. They all talk about it. I’ve watched like 8 reviews. People coming up in here with 2 and 4 year old cars they got used talking about transmission shifts. No one wants to hear this nonsense. I’ve watched 8 reviews not one said the transmission is slow or bad. Until this thread of nonexperts.

He talks about it here when he drives at the 21 min mark. He clearly says in his view as an expert they changed the drive for 2022 others said the same. He calls the transmission smooth too. Go get another car with this odd thread.

I mean first of all, the ORIGINAL post was talking about the 2019-2021 G70s.....so yeah the people with the "old" cars are going to talk about it since well........we were never talking about the 2022 one......now has the 2022 one gotten better? More than likely that's what an "updated" version usually entails. and yeah no reviewer said the transmission was bad, like I totally agree with you on that one, but you do realize that 99% of the people in this thread also think the same right? Like none of us think the transmission is "bad" we all love our cars, and think the transmission is great for what it is. Could it be better? Yes, hence why some people opt for a TCU tune. Are there better transmissions out there? Yeah there is, most commonly the ZF transmission, I can go on for days on "better" transmissions, BUT for what the G70 is, and what I want it to do, so far it's been great. So no idea who you're trying to get at. If it was me (since you replied to my previous post) read my post again, I never said it was shit, all I said is that when people call the transmission shit because there's a better one out there is a stretch, and quite stupid.

Honestly, as much as I love to watch car reviews, you got to watch them with a grain of salt. Like Bhavie said they only have a few hours with the cars, they're no real "expert" per say, more like first impressions. In the video you showed all the guy is talking about the "changed drive" is the Sport+ mode. Also remember, what you're watching are car REVIEWS, not car comparisons. Even Throttle House says the M340i blows its competition out of the water, and is he right? Probably, since by your words he's the expert, but also like they said, just cause performance wise its better doesn't mean the G70 is shit, and I think that's pretty much the page 99% of the people on this thread is on. Is the G70 the best car? Hell no, I'll be the first to admit that, is it a shit car? Definitely not. Now do I agree with 99% of what the "experts" say about the current and previous G70, hell yeah, I love my car, but come on dude, don't come on here and talk shit about us having 2-4 year old cars that we got used.......when some if not most of us got them brand new, me included, like that's not needed man.

 

[V1s1on1]

I mean first of all, the ORIGINAL post was talking about the 2019-2021 G70s.....so yeah the people with the "old" cars are going to talk about it since well........we were never talking about the 2022 one......now has the 2022 one gotten better? More than likely that's what an "updated" version usually entails. and yeah no reviewer said the transmission was bad, like I totally agree with you on that one, but you do realize that 99% of the people in this thread also think the same right? Like none of us think the transmission is "bad" we all love our cars, and think the transmission is great for what it is. Could it be better? Yes, hence why some people opt for a TCU tune. Are there better transmissions out there? Yeah there is, most commonly the ZF transmission, I can go on for days on "better" transmissions, BUT for what the G70 is, and what I want it to do, so far it's been great. So no idea who you're trying to get at. If it was me (since you replied to my previous post) read my post again, I never said it was shit, all I said is that when people call the transmission shit because there's a better one out there is a stretch, and quite stupid.

Honestly, as much as I love to watch car reviews, you got to watch them with a grain of salt. Like Bhavie said they only have a few hours with the cars, they're no real "expert" per say, more like first impressions. In the video you showed all the guy is talking about the "changed drive" is the Sport+ mode. Also remember, what you're watching are car REVIEWS, not car comparisons. Even Throttle House says the M340i blows its competition out of the water, and is he right? Probably, since by your words he's the expert, but also like they said, just cause performance wise its better doesn't mean the G70 is shit, and I think that's pretty much the page 99% of the people on this thread is on. Is the G70 the best car? Hell no, I'll be the first to admit that, is it a shit car? Definitely not. Now do I agree with 99% of what the "experts" say about the current and previous G70, hell yeah, I love my car, but come on dude, don't come on here and talk shit about us having 2-4 year old cars that we got used.......when some if not most of us got them brand new, me included, like that's not needed man.

Go buy a BMW. Put your 2021 in the header. Y’all been complaining a year. Go get a BMW. This is nonsense as a thread. Also no you are not an expert because you have a car. Y’all got to be the oddest.

 

[Jerms3]

Go buy a BMW. Put your 2021 in the header. Y’all been complaining a week. Go get a BMW

When was I complaining? You can literally go and look at my posts constantly defending the G70. But because I know there's better cars out there than the G70, all of a sudden I'm complaining?

 

[Bhavie]

Go buy a BMW. Put your 2021 in the header. Y’all been complaining a year. Go get a BMW. This is nonsense as a thread. Also no you are not an expert because you have a car. Y’all got to be the oddest.

Damn you're an idiot.

I get the thread is long but who joins a forum throwing punches with a blindfold on.

You don't even know what you're saying.

We think the transmission is great. However, watching 8 YT reviews doesn't make you an expert. Again, I repeat, your beautiful new and shiny 2022 has the exact same tranny tuning as our shitty old and used 2019-2021s. And they're both great.

You've barely owned the car a month. Sit down.

 

[V1s1on1]

Again as I said get a new Genesis G70 2022 then let’s hear.

Another opinion from a separate reviewer saying if you in an old G70 you need a new one because to him it feels bettered well.

TEST DRIVE: 2022 Genesis G70 -- Could it Take Down the 3 Series?

After driving the updated 2022 Genesis G70 3.3T, its combination of fun, driving dynamics, and comfort could make it the best in its class.

www.bmwblog.com

There were, however, some issues. Firstly, its suspension tuning was out of whack. It was both too firm and too sloppy. Not horribly so but it had nothing near the composure of the 3 Series, Audi A4, or Alfa Giulia. Secondly, its engine, while more than powerful enough, lacked any sort of enthusiastic noise. Lastly, the eight-speed automatic transmission tuning was fine but it was confused at times and a bit sluggish on manual upshifts.



Now, Genesis has kept what was great about the pre-facelift car; its excellent steering and great chassis; but mostly fixed its issues.

…

Thankfully, though, Genesis seemingly fixed the transmission. Maybe I’m just nuts but this new car’s eight-speed felt better than I remember, with quicker shifts in manual mode and better shift logic when left to its own devices.