Need a definitive answer regarding Limited Slip Differential

[dts2]

My lease is fast coming to an end (V6 Tech) and after two New England winters I cannot lease another Genesis without knowing if the V8 has a limited slip differential. I understand that they all have Traction Control and, in my opinion, that is worthless. Purchasing new tires is not a viable option because the reason for leasing is to avoid additional expenses.
This past Friday I went to the dealer and was close to signing up for three years (would prefer two, but I was told they no longer do two years on a Genesis), when I asked for a guarantee that the V8 did in fact have the Limited Slip. I am almost positive that I read that it was standard on the V8, but no one could give me a positive answer. What is sad is that the Regional Rep for Hyundai Service was there and even he couldn't answer the question positively.
In any event, I would really like to stay with the Genesis and I am even willing to move to the V8, but I have to have something, preferably in writing from Hyundai, that states the 2020 V8 has Limited Slip in addition to the TSC. By the way, the dealer acted like a spoiled child when I refused to sign the agreement without a guaranteed answer. But he was willing to lecture me on TCS and how I didn't understand how good it was. I realize there is a vast amount of knowledge in the Forum and I was hoping that someone could provide the answer.

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

The Canadian site has always answered this, but it's not on the US site. I'm pretty sure they make a North America version, so the answer would be "yes" for the US.

(Under the Performance tab)

http://www.hyundaicanada.com/Pages/showroom/Specifications.aspx?model=Genesis

 

[Mark_888]

The Canadian site has always answered this, but it's not on the US site. I'm pretty sure they make a North America version, so the answer would be "yes" for the US.

(Under the Performance tab)

http://www.hyundaicanada.com/Pages/showroom/Specifications.aspx?model=Genesis

Why are you so sure there is a single NA version? There are differences in the Canadian vs USA versions, such as daytime running lights, different interior trim levels, etc.

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

Why are you so sure there is a single NA version? There are differences in the Canadian vs USA versions, such as daytime running lights, different interior trim levels, etc.

You're right, I don't know for sure... only "pretty sure".

But now that I think about it, can't the OP's dealer techs put a 4.6 on the rack (assuming they don't know either)?
Or perhaps the OP can call Hyundai and ask directly?

 

[Mark_888]

You're right, I don't know for sure... only "pretty sure".

But now that I think about it, can't the OP's dealer techs put a 4.6 on the rack (assuming they don't know either)?
Or perhaps the OP can call Hyundai and ask directly?

One would think that if the US version had LSD, HMA would bost about it. Surely they have seen the Canadian web pages.

 

[dts2]

I have spent much too much time searching for an answer and I did find one comparison that stated that the 2010 4.6 did have the LSD. Unfortunately, it was not a Hyundai source, so that certainly is not the definitive answer I was hoping to receive.
I agree that the dealer could very easily put the car on a lift, or even jack it up and do the "turn the rear tire test", but although they want my signature on a contract they seem to be reluctant, or too lazy, to do it.
I would have to believe that someone out there has a 2010 4.6 who is an enthusiast who has the elusive answer. Still hoping so I can close the deal.

 

[Mark_888]

I have spent much too much time searching for an answer and I did find one comparison that stated that the 2010 4.6 did have the LSD. Unfortunately, it was not a Hyundai source, so that certainly is not the definitive answer I was hoping to receive.
I agree that the dealer could very easily put the car on a lift, or even jack it up and do the "turn the rear tire test", but although they want my signature on a contract they seem to be reluctant, or too lazy, to do it.
I would have to believe that someone out there has a 2010 4.6 who is an enthusiast who has the elusive answer. Still hoping so I can close the deal.

I doubt that the dealer can be certain just by jacking up the car, and they don't want be held liable for false claims. If you live in the northern part of the US (which is the only reason why you would need LSD on a car with ESC) then buy one in Canada and bring it home.

 

[dataguy]

You can send a PM to HYTECH. He's been a reliable source of technical information on the car.

As an aside, from what I've heard, the stock tires are crap in any sort of snow. LSD isn't going to help as much as a proper set of snow tires. In fact, if cost is the issue, I'd recommend going with a 3.8 and using the savings toward some Continental EC-DWS' for all-season use.

 

[PINGGOLF]

Ok...am I missing something here?

I have an 09 4.6 and get sideways....a lot...this means I have a LSD right?

If not, wouldnt only 1 wheel spin?

 

[scottdk]

Ok...am I missing something here?

I have an 09 4.6 and get sideways....a lot...this means I have a LSD right?

If not, wouldnt only 1 wheel spin?

I was out toying around late last night. Hitting some great backroads with awesome bends in the road and even got up to 130 on a straight shot with ease.

I did hit a dead end on one road on purpose and turned the wheel and dropped the hammer and left 2 burnout trails in the cul de sac. It has LSD.

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[dts2]

This morning I sent an email to Hyundai's Consumer Affairs mailbox asking if they could provide an answer. Nothing so far but an acknowledgement of receipt of the email. However, I am now wondering if this was a subtle change to the 2010 model. Maybe there was a trade off of features, i.e. pull the LSD and add the electric parking brake, or some such thing. All I can say is shame on them if that is the case. In snow areas this feature does improve drivability significantly, and I am speaking from experience. If they are going to force me into a three year lease and not give me the sense of security I am asking for, then it will be time to say farewell to the Genesis brand and move to a vehicle that offers the option. Frankly, every Genesis should have LSD, even if it was only an option. I have a second Genesis garaged in Las Vegas and although it would be nice to have it, I can certainly live without it. In New England it is a different story and I speak from experience. With my previous RWD vehicle snow never stopped me, with the Genesis it was a harrowing experience from the moment I left my driveway.

In any event, thanks to those who tried to help.

 

[ctrcbob]

The brochure for the 2009 Genesis says that the V8 has the LSD (or whatever they called it, but only on the V8, not the V6). If need be, I can go and dig out the brochure to see exactly how they said it.

BTW, just because something is in the brochure does not mean that it is on the car. This is why I no longer order cars, but I buy from stock. I've been burned in the past when the brochure says one thing, and the car comes without. The manufacturer has an out because brochures always say something like they can make changes at any time, or words like that.

 

[Paulroger]

The brochure for the 2009 Genesis says that the V8 has the LSD (or whatever they called it, but only on the V8, not the V6). If need be, I can go and dig out the brochure to see exactly how they said it.

BTW, just because something is in the brochure does not mean that it is on the car. This is why I no longer order cars, but I buy from stock. I've been burned in the past when the brochure says one thing, and the car comes without. The manufacturer has an out because brochures always say something like they can make changes at any time, or words like that.

Bob is right. LSD is mentioned in both the 09 and 10 paper brochures. However, for whatever reason I could not find any mention of it in either the 09 or 10 ebrochure versions.

 

[HYTECH]

My lease is fast coming to an end (V6 Tech) and after two New England winters I cannot lease another Genesis without knowing if the V8 has a limited slip differential. I understand that they all have Traction Control and, in my opinion, that is worthless. Purchasing new tires is not a viable option because the reason for leasing is to avoid additional expenses.
This past Friday I went to the dealer and was close to signing up for three years (would prefer two, but I was told they no longer do two years on a Genesis), when I asked for a guarantee that the V8 did in fact have the Limited Slip. I am almost positive that I read that it was standard on the V8, but no one could give me a positive answer. What is sad is that the Regional Rep for Hyundai Service was there and even he couldn't answer the question positively.
In any event, I would really like to stay with the Genesis and I am even willing to move to the V8, but I have to have something, preferably in writing from Hyundai, that states the 2020 V8 has Limited Slip in addition to the TSC. By the way, the dealer acted like a spoiled child when I refused to sign the agreement without a guaranteed answer. But he was willing to lecture me on TCS and how I didn't understand how good it was. I realize there is a vast amount of knowledge in the Forum and I was hoping that someone could provide the answer.

PM me your VIN and I'll look it up for you. some have it and some don't. I have never used traction control in snow but down here in florida/georga it is amazing in rain and ice.

 

[PINGGOLF]

PM me your VIN and I'll look it up for you. some have it and some don't. I have never used traction control in snow but down here in florida/georga it is amazing in rain and ice.

To be such a Genius on the Genesis, we need more than 20 posts there HYTECH!

Here is one for ya, research the wiring diagram for the DIS and tell me which wire to cut for the DVD bypass. HA! I promise I wont tell anybody

I'm messing with you bud!

 

[dts2]

Hytech, I appreciate your offer, but I do not have a VIN to check. I have only touched one 2010 4.6 and that was not the one I would be leasing. You say "some have and some don't". I know that 3.8's don't (unfortunately, because that would be my first choice), but at one time it was generally advertised that the 4.6 did indeed come with a LSD. If you could share the code and the position in the VIN I might be able to check it before closing the deal.

Funny, it now has been more than 24 hours and no response from Hyundai's Customer Assistance. Pretty sad for a company that would like to be a major player in the luxury space, plus I have now visited two dealers who don't have a clue and do not seem to have to ability to get an answer. There are two more dealers in my area and I will be visiting them, too, but I don't hold much hope.

Simply put, I really like the Genesis (with a couple of complaints), but signing up for three years (three winters), just isn't realistic for me. Isn't it interesting that with so much knowledge in this Forum, that tidbit seems to be so elusive?

 

[Mark_888]

Just pull a VIN from any 2010 sitting on the lot (maybe one for V8 and one for V6). If they are both 2010 models built around the same time, you should have the answer you want from Hytech.

Some dealer websites will list the VINs for their inventory.

 

[HYTECH]

Hytech, I appreciate your offer, but I do not have a VIN to check. I have only touched one 2010 4.6 and that was not the one I would be leasing. You say "some have and some don't". I know that 3.8's don't (unfortunately, because that would be my first choice), but at one time it was generally advertised that the 4.6 did indeed come with a LSD. If you could share the code and the position in the VIN I might be able to check it before closing the deal.

It's not hidden in the vin i would need to run the vin on the dealer website and see the options list. can you call the dealer and ask for the VIN? I'm working on a 2010 v8 right now that does not have a LSD so not all are limited slip.

 

[HYTECH]

Here is one for ya, research the wiring diagram for the DIS and tell me which wire to cut for the DVD bypass. HA! I promise I wont tell anybody
I'm messing with you bud!

Shift position is sent to the DIS system via the CAN (controller area network) There is no way to disable this electricly it would take being able to access the firmware and modifying a few lines of Code. Currently I am tinkering with the firmware on a Santa fe LG navi/DVD system trying to get rid of the first page popup but this little navi unit is 85,000 pages of hex code I would hate to see the size of the Genisis firmware file.

 

[dts2]

Hytech, thanks for your support I truly appreciate your assistance, but that leads to another problem. Only one local dealer has a V8 in stock (so far) and I already have a black on black, so I am looking for an "arrest me red" variant. I have been told that one might be available, but I would have to commit to delivery and once it is here, I own it regardless of the differential. Of course, if you are working on a V8 and it does not have LSD that certainly implies that either they dropped that feature, or it is selective (luck of the draw). Things are not looking good.

By the way, moments ago I received a response from Hyundai Consumer Affairs and it if follows:

Dear Dan:
Thank you for contacting Hyundai Motor America. We are happy to learn of your interest in the 2010 4.6L Hyundai Genesis Sedan.

To properly address your inquiry further research is required. You will be contacted with further information once an update is available.

We have documented your inquiry under Case # 3988813.

We appreciate your patience and thank you for contacting Hyundai Consumer Affairs.

Apparently, even Hyundai doesn't have an answer and if they don't, who would?