Finally drove a 3.5T…honestly I was underwhelmed.

[Willy-Mac]

I recently had my 22 Prestige 3.5 serviced for the first time.
Brought it in thinking I would have to wait but they gave me a 23 Advanced 2.5 so I drove home about 15 miles mostly highway
Thought I was going to have to get out and push the car it was so slow.
It also had 20" tires compared to my 22" and I felt it was a much harsher ride.
I know its a matter of opinion but so happy I got the bigger engine and the 22" with active suspension.

 

[Silverct9a]

Get out and push it? Funny, but nonsense...also 2023 2.5T Prestige models also have active suspension. A few quotes directly from the Motortrend review of the 2023 GV80 are below:

"Both four- and six-cylinder options are a bit coarse, and the base engine doesn't quite have enough power to motivate such a large SUV. Plus, the twin-turbo V-6 doesn't offer much of a performance advantage."

"The entry-level 2.5-liter turbo-four kicks out a healthy 300 hp and 311 lb-ft of torque, which our testing displayed is capable of 0-60 mph in 6.4 seconds. EPA fuel economy numbers read 20/24 mpg city/highway.
Power-hungry buyers should look toward the optional 3.5-liter twin-turbo V-6, an engine good for 375 hp and 391 lb-ft of torque. Keep in mind, though, the V-6 model isn't much quicker; its 0-60-mph time is 6.0 seconds, less than a half-second quicker than the four-cylinder GV80. Plus, efficiency drops to 18/23 mpg."

I find this information/review to be spot on - The V6 model just didn't feel much faster to me at all. To add additional context, I own a 10 second 1/4 mile 550 whp vehicle so I'm no stranger to a quick ride.

 

[Backslack]

There's no point in subjectivity when we have actual test numbers like these from Car and Driver. The 3.5T is without question quite a bit more powerful and faster across the board. And surprisingly, C&D's observed fuel economy numbers were identical on both engines. The latter alone would sway me to the 3.5T.

2.5T:



3.5T:

Tested: 2021 Genesis GV80 2.5T Is a Powerful Four in a Fresh SUV Wrapper

The first Genesis SUV is executed to an extremely high level yet is a terrific value.

www.caranddriver.com

Tested: 2021 Genesis GV80 3.5T Delivers Guilt-Free Opulence

Genesis builds its first SUV around a lavish interior and a bargain price.

www.caranddriver.com

 

[EdP]

There's no point in subjectivity when we have actual test numbers like these from Car and Driver. The 3.5T is without question quite a bit more powerful and faster across the board. And surprisingly, C&D's observed fuel economy numbers were identical on both engines. The latter alone would sway me to the 3.5T.

2.5T: 6.1

3.5T: 5.3

Perhaps expectations change. Look at the 0 - 60 times. When I started driving in 1962, the hottest sportiest cars could not get near 6 seconds and now we have the family sedan hitting it.

In the past month of driving, how often did that time difference become important? Maybe you got onto the highway a couple of seconds faster if there was no car in front of you. Sure, fast is fun. but comes at a steep price.

Other included features would be a better reason, IMO.

 

[Silverct9a]

There's no point in subjectivity when we have actual test numbers like these from Car and Driver. The 3.5T is without question quite a bit more powerful and faster across the board. And surprisingly, C&D's observed fuel economy numbers were identical on both engines. The latter alone would sway me to the 3.5T.

2.5T:

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3.5T:

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Tested: 2021 Genesis GV80 2.5T Is a Powerful Four in a Fresh SUV Wrapper

The first Genesis SUV is executed to an extremely high level yet is a terrific value.

www.caranddriver.com

Tested: 2021 Genesis GV80 3.5T Delivers Guilt-Free Opulence

Genesis builds its first SUV around a lavish interior and a bargain price.

www.caranddriver.com

Hard data is always appreciated, just saying after driving the V6 I feel that C&D’s performance numbers are way more generous than Motortrend’s whose numbers I believe are inline with real world/everyday driving and it’s 0-60 & 1/4 times between the two drivetrains appear to be more accurate.

The 0-60 times below are much more believable than Car & Driver’s. Hard to believe this vehicle can do 0-60 in the 5 sec range.

M/T:

2.5T 0-60: 6.4 sec
3.5T 0-60: 6.0 sec

 

[BillZ]

I don't understand why anyone who purchased a GV80 would give a flying *^$* about 0-60 times. It's a luxury car, not a performance car. Buy something else if you want a boy racer. If you feel the luxury experience in either the 2.5 or the 3.5, then you got what you paid for. If not, that's a different issue. How much power is enough? If you're unhappy, I guess you should have sprung for a 600 hp Bentley (or waited for the electric Genesis models).

 

[Backslack]

Hard data is always appreciated, just saying after driving the V6 I feel that C&D’s performance numbers are way more generous than Motortrend’s whose numbers I believe are inline with real world/everyday driving and it’s 0-60 & 1/4 times between the two drivetrains appear to be more accurate.

The 0-60 times below are much more believable than Car & Driver’s. Hard to believe this vehicle can do 0-60 in the 5 sec range.

M/T:

2.5T 0-60: 6.4 sec
3.5T 0-60: 6.0 sec

You can believe what you want, but even in Motor Trend's test the trap speed was around 5 miles per hour faster with the 3.5T. I used C&D because their testing data is more thorough, and 0-60 times aren't as indicative of real-world driving when it's all about having a good launch. 5-60 times are a more accurate measurement, and the 3.5T was almost a full second faster.

At the end of the day, if you're happy with your car that's all that matters.

 

[Silverct9a]

I don't understand why anyone who purchased a GV80 would give a flying *^$* about 0-60 times. It's a luxury car, not a performance car. Buy something else if you want a boy racer. If you feel the luxury experience in either the 2.5 or the 3.5, then you got what you paid for. If not, that's a different issue. How much power is enough? If you're unhappy, I guess you should have sprung for a 600 hp Bentley (or waited for the electric Genesis models).

I guess you missed the part when I said I already own a vehicle with over 600 bhp and track it regularly.

 

[Silverct9a]

You can believe what you want, but even in Motor Trend's test the trap speed was around 5 miles per hour faster with the 3.5T. I used C&D because their testing data is more thorough, and 0-60 times aren't as indicative of real-world driving when it's all about having a good launch. 5-60 times are a more accurate measurement, and the 3.5T was almost a full second faster.

At the end of the day, if you're happy with your car that's all that matters.

Care to explain how Car & Driver’s testing data is more thorough? They have such wildly different times and trap speeds. My butt dyno sides with Motortrend.

 

[blschaefer1]

I test drove the 2.5 and 3.5 back to back. I noticed a significant difference with the 3.5. Less turbo lag, more torque, stronger off the line.
definitely more punch in highway passing. I found it to be smoother and quieter as well. To each his own.

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[Silverct9a]

I test drove the 2.5 and 3.5 back to back. I noticed a significant difference with the 3.5. Less turbo lag, more torque, stronger off the line.
definitely more punch in highway passing. I found it to be smoother and quieter as well. To each his own.

I can’t comment on highway performance as I didn’t take the vehicle on the highway…although I suspect that’s where the biggest differences would be noticed.

“Significant difference” wouldn’t be my choice of words as I felt the performance difference under 70 mph were slight…both drivetrains trap under 100 mph in the 1/4 mile and have the same tow rating of 6000 lbs. Aside from more equipment, I fail to see the 10k markup value in most scenarios

 

[BillZ]

I guess you missed the part when I said I already own a vehicle with over 600 bhp and track it regularly.

I didn't miss that point at all. Clearly since you have another vehicle with that kind of power, you didn't choose your GV80 (whichever engine you have) on the basis of 0-60 times. That was my point.

 

[Backslack]

Care to explain how Car & Driver’s testing data is more thorough? They have such wildly different times and trap speeds. My butt dyno sides with Motortrend.

Easy- give me the 5-60 from Motor Trend. Give me the 30-50, 50-70 mph speeds. One bad launch from a standstill is all it takes for a car to be "slower" on Motor Trend's test.

The 3.5T in the GV80 is no slouch. It traps barley 1 mph behind the X540i with the mighty B58 inline 6, in Motor Trend's own comparison no less.

Genesis GV80 vs. BMW X5 Comparison Test: Duel of the Luxury Kings

It's promising upstart against established royalty in this head-to-head showdown.

www.motortrend.com

Seems to me like you are just trying to justify your purchase... the reality is that people buy the bigger engine for good reason.

 

[Silverct9a]

Easy- give me the 5-60 from Motor Trend. Give me the 30-50, 50-70 mph speeds. One bad launch from a standstill is all it takes for a car to be "slower" on Motor Trend's test.

The 3.5T in the GV80 is no slouch. It traps barley 1 mph behind the X540i with the mighty B58 inline 6, in Motor Trend's own comparison no less.

Genesis GV80 vs. BMW X5 Comparison Test: Duel of the Luxury Kings

It's promising upstart against established royalty in this head-to-head showdown.

www.motortrend.com

Seems to me like you are just trying to justify your purchase... the reality is that people buy the bigger engine for good reason.

Justify my purchase? When you're in the 68k - 78k range, 10k would stop very few people...myself included.

This vehicle was purchased for my wife to transport our toddler around and at the time when I thought the V6 would be significantly faster while getting worse MPG, I didn't think it was necessary; However, now that I know that the V6 only offers a slight improvement in performance (again my opinion) I feel my purchase actually was justified - I guess I was expecting more performance for that additional 10k asking price - you sure you're not the one attempting to justify an almost nonexistent performance gap?

The X5 with the base powertrain waxes the floor with the GV80. That powerplant is severely underrated and probably dynos around 335 hp to the wheels yet is advertised that at the flywheel and has a much more performance-oriented transmission.

I fail to see your point regarding the testing methods for each magazine - driver error occurs all the time, street or strip. In drag racing 60' foot times are arguably the most important metric to hit respectable 1/4 times and also the easiest one to screw up. Are you inferring that Car & Driver has better drivers? If so, to prove that( somewhat), one could look at a historical comparison between each magazine's published times for the same make and models.

 

[Backslack]

Justify my purchase? When you're in the 68k - 78k range, 10k would stop very few people...myself included.

Bro you literally complained about the $10K price gap two posts above lol. The "nonexistent performance gap" that you are trying to justify has no basis beyond your own subjective feelings, which are contradicted by data.

I fail to see your point regarding the testing methods for each magazine

Indeed you did, it went right over your head. Vehicles in the real world do not run from a standstill to 60, because most people don't drag race in real life. When you drove your GV80, did you floor it from 0-60 or whatever? No, you crept and then put down the pedal like any other normal person. That is where power comes in, and that is the basis of real-world usability. That is why Motortrend's measurements from zero don't reflect the real world, and can be easily skewed by how well a vehicle is launched which is irrelevant outside of a track.

Here's a great example- C&D tested the Audi Q7 sometime ago and got a 0-60 time of 5 seconds. But the 5-60 time? 6.5 seconds, around half a second slower than their GV80 3.5T.

Tested: 2020 Audi Q7 55 Is Quick and Quiet

Audi refreshes the Q7 where it needed it and leaves the rest alone.

www.caranddriver.com

The X5 with the base powertrain waxes the floor with the GV80.

Not really, that also went right over your head. The trap speeds are basically identical- that you think a 1 mph difference in trap speed between an X5 and GV80 is "waxing the floor" when there's a roughly 5 mph difference in trap speed between a GV80 2.5T and 3.5T in both C&D's and Motor Trend's tests is really funny to me.

In fact, rather than the engine, it sounds to me like most of your complaints have more to do with the transmission, which is what determines how "fast" a car feels when you floor it.

 

[Silverct9a]

Bro you literally complained about the $10K price gap two posts above lol. The "nonexistent performance gap" that you are trying to justify has no basis beyond your own subjective feelings, which are contradicted by data.


Indeed you did, it went right over your head. Vehicles in the real world do not run from a standstill to 60, because most people don't drag race in real life. When you drove your GV80, did you floor it from 0-60 or whatever? No, you crept and then put down the pedal like any other normal person. That is where power comes in, and that is the basis of real-world usability. That is why Motortrend's measurements from zero don't reflect the real world, and can be easily skewed by how well a vehicle is launched which is irrelevant outside of a track.

Here's a great example- C&D tested the Audi Q7 sometime ago and got a 0-60 time of 5 seconds. But the 5-60 time? 6.5 seconds, around half a second slower than their GV80 3.5T.

Tested: 2020 Audi Q7 55 Is Quick and Quiet

Audi refreshes the Q7 where it needed it and leaves the rest alone.

www.caranddriver.com

Not really, that also went right over your head. The trap speeds are basically identical- that you think a 1 mph difference in trap speed between an X5 and GV80 is "waxing the floor" when there's a roughly 5 mph difference in trap speed between a GV80 2.5T and 3.5T in both C&D's and Motor Trend's tests is really funny to me.

In fact, rather than the engine, it sounds to me like most of your complaints have more to do with the transmission, which is what determines how "fast" a car feels when you floor it.

I never “complained” dude…Way to twist my words of not WANTING to pay the additional 10k for a vehicle I may drive once a week - again, bought it for my wife. If I were buying for myself, I’d get the V6 because bigger is better right?

Also none of your “points” “went over my head” do you hit the track on even a semi regular basis? Tune vehicles? When’s the last time you ran a 10 second or less car down a drag strip? Last time you personally dropped an engine or installed a turbo kit on an N/A vehicle, and lowered the compression ratio to compensate?

You seem really confident I ran the loaner GV80 from a 5 mph roll, I turned off the traction control and did a dead stop to mimic a 0-60 run as well a low speed roll.

 

[Backslack]

Also none of your “points” “went over my head” do you hit the track on even a semi regular basis? Tune vehicles? When’s the last time you ran a 10 second or less car down a drag strip? Last time you personally dropped an engine or installed a turbo kit during an N/A vehicle?

The fact that you are talking about tuning cars and going on a drag strip means that what I said really did go over your head lol.

 

[Silverct9a]

The fact that you are talking about tuning cars and going on a drag strip means that what I said really did go over your head lol.

Exactly what I thought…a bench racer.

 

[Backslack]

Exactly what I thought…a bench racer.

That you are trying to place the GV80 in the context of a drag race is just really f'ing funny to me. Please, no need to continue this weird flex lol.

 

[Silverct9a]

That you are trying to place the GV80 in the context of a drag race is just really f'ing funny to me. Please, no need to continue this weird flex lol.

The point of this whole thread was me discussing the subtle PERFORMANCE difference between the 2.5T & 3.5T GV80.

Drag racing and attempting to duplicate performance numbers is apart of performance my friend as you’ve eloquently demonstrated by posting magazine articles. Now all of sudden you realize you’re not talking to some car noob but someone who has real wrench time, it’s a problem discussing it?

Are you even aware of JB4 ECU tuning for multiple Kia/Hyundai/Genesis vehicles?

JB4 for Kia / Hyundai / Genesis 3.5L Turbo SmartStream (V4)

The JB4 is a plug and play tuner that plugs in to easy access sensors in the engine bay and works with your factory ECU tuning to remap your boost, timing, and fueling for optimal performance and reduced turbo lag. Made in USA. 5 Year Warranty. Fast Shipping.

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Put down the magazines and hit a track or turn a wrench dude.