Electric GV70

[dfwald]

I've been really wanting to get a GV70ev but there are several things really holding me back. I'm in the USA. To get the $7500 federal credit, you must lease and lease costs aren't cheap. To go anywhere more than 100 miles in a day, you need decently fast chargers and there are just a bunch of 50KW single charger charging stations (a couple 62.5) on the routes. Are these considered Level 2 or 3 chargers? I'm guessing some wouldn't be working and most would charge at a very slow rate. Would I have to charge for a long time for example to get a half charge like 30-80%? I have no idea the charging rate of a typical 50KW charger if it works.

 

[SebringSilver]

I've been really wanting to get a GV70ev but there are several things really holding me back. I'm in the USA. To get the $7500 federal credit, you must lease and lease costs aren't cheap. To go anywhere more than 100 miles in a day, you need decently fast chargers and there are just a bunch of 50KW single charger charging stations (a couple 62.5) on the routes. Are these considered Level 2 or 3 chargers? I'm guessing some wouldn't be working and most would charge at a very slow rate. Would I have to charge for a long time for example to get a half charge like 30-80%? I have no idea the charging rate of a typical 50KW charger if it works.

If leasing in order to get the rebate doesn't pencil for you then the charging is moot. But if you're ok with not getting the rebate, like anyone else who drives an EV, some route planning before heading out on longer trips is always a good idea. If you've subscribed to any of the major charging networks their apps will have all their stations laid out on a map to help users plan their routes.

The car's EV app also can help you in this regard but some people will swear by third party apps like Plan A Better Route instead. If you find a 350kW Level 3 charger, your eGV70 will go from 10% to 80% charge in 18 minutes (in reality it's closer to 25 minutes).

A 50kW charger would be a Level 3. There's a range of power output within any of the "levels" of chargers.

 

[SebringSilver]

Sorry, forgot the last little bit....

Here in Canada, L3 charging on ChargerQuest's network is C$0.40-C$0.45 per kWh. Not sure what US charging companies charge but probably not difficult to search for it.

 

[dfwald]

Sorry, forgot the last little bit....

Here in Canada, L3 charging on ChargerQuest's network is C$0.40-C$0.45 per kWh. Not sure what US charging companies charge but probably not difficult to search for it.

I wasn't asking the cost. I was asking the speed of the 50kW charger when I said rate. If I knew how fast 50KW and 62KW chargers were that would tremendously help determine how long a stop would be given how much charge I have left. Example: 350KW charger in reality only goes up to a charging speed of about 250kW. I have not read one example of someone actually getting 350KW.

 

[dfwald]

Another reason I'm hesitant to get an eGV70 is that I only want the Prestige model and all the dealers out to hundreds of miles away are only getting the Advanced cheaper model 98% of the time. I'm told custom ordering will take 8 months.

 

[dfwald]

Don't know if this has been mentioned here or not, but WeatherTech now has mats and trunk liner for our cars. Ordered the trunk liner, but I'm waiting on Tuxmat for the floor liners.

Weathertech only has front row floor mats. Noone has yet made second row floor mats. WeatherTech Products for: 2023 Genesis Electrified GV70 | WeatherTech

 

[dfwald]

Sorry I'm bumping up an old question, but I thought this might be an interesting read (If you're open to leasing...)!

Leasing an EV Is a Workaround That Could Get You That Tax Credit

Buyers can get federal tax credits for EV models not on the list allowed by the Inflation Reduction Act—if they lease them.

www.caranddriver.com

We're stuck leasing this year. Have to wait until the Hyundai plant making batteries in Georgia comes online. That could take awhile as it's just starting to be built.

 

[dfwald]

Just picked it up! Absolutely loving it. Will post pictures later, but kudos to Genesis for making improvements to the all-weather mats. Might seem trivial but the ones on my new car are far easier to install than in the previous GV70s (and GV80 for that matter). The grommets on the mats fit far better onto the floor mounted hooks making it much easier to install and remove. Also, the one long mat for the rear passengers don't even use the hooks at all. There's now a dome-shaped section that the hooks fit under to make installation and removal easier than ever before.

Yeah it's a weird thing to focus on but just wanted to mention it.

I thought no-one made all-weather floor mats for front and back rows yet.

 

[wuttke]

Well boys, since my dealer is ??? on when I might expect the GV70ev(maybe next year???)...I'm shopping around some more as other cars of interest are hitting the market. So, I'm on the list to receive a MB450h+ (PHEV) and dealer says could be as soon as October...got it all spec'ed out...pretty much all options coming in around $20 grand more than the Genesis...this is my wife's #1 pick.., her #2 pick is the Lexus RX450h+(PHEV)about the same price as GV70...and for her the Genesis is way down the list. She did see the car once and "just another Hyundai"...her comments. Since our current Lexus RX is still going strong, I might have to bail on the Genesis...but I'll hang on to the reservation in the meantime. I'll also stay in this group until that time...great advise and stories here.

 

[RonG]

I am also starting to search for 19" winter wheels for my GV70e.
I thought that perhaps the 19" wheel/winter tire combination that I use on my 2020 Hyundai Palisade would work so today I removed the front wheel from the Genesis and tried mounting the wheel that I use on the Palisade. It doesn't work. The Palisade has the wheel studs mounted on the hub and uses the typical acorn style lug nuts. The Genesis uses studs, rather than lug nuts.
I really like the19" ICE GV70 style wheels so if anyone would like to sell their 19", message me.

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[Jaws]

I wasn't asking the cost. I was asking the speed of the 50kW charger when I said rate. If I knew how fast 50KW and 62KW chargers were that would tremendously help determine how long a stop would be given how much charge I have left. Example: 350KW charger in reality only goes up to a charging speed of about 250kW. I have not read one example of someone actually getting 350KW.

You won't hear of anyone getting 350 kW, because the car can "only" accept ~240 kW, which is better than 90% of EVs. A 50 kW charger charges at roughly 50 kW. I've seen 47-50 kW.

 

[SebringSilver]

Well boys, since my dealer is ??? on when I might expect the GV70ev(maybe next year???)...I'm shopping around some more as other cars of interest are hitting the market. So, I'm on the list to receive a MB450h+ (PHEV) and dealer says could be as soon as October...got it all spec'ed out...pretty much all options coming in around $20 grand more than the Genesis...this is my wife's #1 pick.., her #2 pick is the Lexus RX450h+(PHEV)about the same price as GV70...and for her the Genesis is way down the list. She did see the car once and "just another Hyundai"...her comments. Since our current Lexus RX is still going strong, I might have to bail on the Genesis...but I'll hang on to the reservation in the meantime. I'll also stay in this group until that time...great advise and stories here.

Just get what she wants. Happy wife, happy life.

 

[weizguy74]

I am also starting to search for 19" winter wheels for my GV70e.
I thought that perhaps the 19" wheel/winter tire combination that I use on my 2020 Hyundai Palisade would work so today I removed the front wheel from the Genesis and tried mounting the wheel that I use on the Palisade. It doesn't work. The Palisade has the wheel studs mounted on the hub and uses the typical acorn style lug nuts. The Genesis uses studs, rather than lug nuts.
I really like the19" ICE GV70 style wheels so if anyone would like to sell their 19", message me.

I bought the Genesis G005 black 19" wheels with Pirelli Scorpion tires and packaged them in with my vehicle purchase. I haven't had them on the vehicle yet but they look good on their own; I think they will look sharp on as well. (Sorry, nothing to sell you!)

 

[weizguy74]

I got my trailer hitch installed today by dealer (Genesis part #ARH03AP200). Installation went well. Required some cuts in the skidplate, no cutting needed in the bumper. Hitch sits flush and is unobtrusive from most angles. I don't love the chain hangers that sit off to the sides and I won't ever use them - I have half a mind to have them cut off. But I will probably stop noticing them after today and will just leave them.

 

[RonG]

I bought the Genesis G005 black 19" wheels with Pirelli Scorpion tires and packaged them in with my vehicle purchase. I haven't had them on the vehicle yet but they look good on their own; I think they will look sharp on as well. (Sorry, nothing to sell you!)

I see from the pics on your next post that you also have the GV70E. Have you confirmed that the 19" wheels will fit over the front calliper?

 

[SebringSilver]

Interesting report coming out of JD Power where they delve into the user experience of new technologies in both EVs and ICE cars.

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-tech-experience-index-txi-study

Not all new tech especially in EVs is well regarded, but there's high praise for Genesis throughout:

Following are key findings of the 2023 study:

Warning bells—disruptors are coming: New manufacturers (e.g., Tesla, Rivian, Lucid and Polestar) are making a very strong debut in the U.S. market in terms of their advanced tech offerings. While some brands have small sample sizes and state registration restrictions prohibit ranking, most of the innovation of these newer brands far exceeds that of traditional manufacturers—except for Genesis—and significantly outpace the Innovation Index premium average (588 on a 1,000-point scale). Innovation and tech offerings are high for new manufacturers, but they are not providing a problem-free experience.

Average problem levels for advanced technologies among new manufacturers, except for Polestar, are well above the premium average of 24.3 PP100 and are among the highest in the industry.

And also...

Highest-Ranking Brands

Genesis ranks highest overall and highest among premium brands for innovation, with a score of 656. In the premium segment, Cadillac (533) and Lexus (533) each rank second in a tie.

Hyundai ranks highest among mass market brands for innovation with a score of 547. Kia (528) ranks second and GMC (505) ranks third.

Advanced Technology Award Recipients

The U.S. Tech Experience Index (TXI) Study analyzes 40 automotive technologies, which are divided into four categories: convenience; emerging automation; energy and sustainability; and infotainment and connectivity. Only the 30 technologies classified as advanced are award eligible.

Chevrolet Corvette is the premium model receiving the convenience award for ground view camera technology.

Toyota Sequoia is the mass market model receiving the convenience award, also for ground view camera technology.

Genesis GV80 is the premium model receiving the emerging automation award for front cross traffic warning.

Hyundai Palisade is the mass market model receiving the emerging automation award for reverse automatic emergency braking.

BMW iX receives the award for energy and sustainability in the premium segment for one pedal driving.

MINI Cooper receives the award for energy and sustainability in the mass market segment, also for one pedal driving.

BMW 3 Series receives the award for infotainment and connectivity in the premium segment for augmented reality display.

Chevrolet Tahoe (streaming-based entertainment) and Hyundai Sonata (phone-based digital key) each rank highest in a tie for infotainment and connectivity in the mass market segment.

 

[YEH]

her #2 pick is the Lexus RX450h+(PHEV)about the same price as GV70...and for her the Genesis is way down the list. She did see the car once and "just another Hyundai"...her comments. Since our current Lexus RX is still going strong, I might have to bail on the Genesis...but I'll hang on to the reservation in the meantime. I'll also stay in this group until that time...great advise and stories here.

Probably won't change her mind, but tell her that the RX is a tarted-up FWD Highlander, whereas the Genesis is on a bespoke RWD platform like Mercedes and BMW.

 

[weizguy74]

I see from the pics on your next post that you also have the GV70E. Have you confirmed that the 19" wheels will fit over the front calliper?

Hi RonG, not 100% confirmed as I have not had them on the vehicle yet. I am assuming they will fit based on two things: (i) the GV70e manual says 19x8.0 wheels can be fitted, and (ii) the dealer sold them to me with the vehicle.

 

[SebringSilver]

Hi RonG, not 100% confirmed as I have not had them on the vehicle yet. I am assuming they will fit based on two things: (i) the GV70e manual says 19x8.0 wheels can be fitted, and (ii) the dealer sold them to me with the vehicle.

Should be a safe bet since the dealer sold them to you. But just for future reference, aside from the diameter and the width of the wheel, the offset is the key to ensuring that the wheel will fit especially if your car has fairly large brake calipers. I'm sure you know that but just thought I'd mention it.

 

[Jaws]

I see from the pics on your next post that you also have the GV70E. Have you confirmed that the 19" wheels will fit over the front calliper?

18s will work. Genesis sells an 18" winter set. I've test fitted 18s that I have and they clear, kind of.
To SS's point, the wheels that I have are +42 offset and they don't clear so I'm adding 3 mm spacers. +30-35 would be ideal.