Things I don't miss about ICE vehicles

[Trixie86]

Depends on what you buy. In the mid 70s I bought a 1964 Pontiac Tempest for $150. Drove it for a year and the original owner missed it so much I sold it back to her for $150.
Drove it for a year for FREE. It was the best automotive investment I ever made. Still trying to top it, I'm sure I will.

64 Tempest? Too bad she didn't have the 64 GTO.

 

[PMCErnie]

Unless your daily driver is a Ferrari or similar, we are ALL losing value on our vehicles whether they're EVs or not. For the vast majority of us, vehicles are NOT a good "investment" as you called them in an earlier post, which is a bummer for all of us...

Yes, we all know that most motor vehicles are not true investments with any hope of appreciating. However, most of us do care that our vehicles hold value and don’t become white elephants overnight.

 

[Husky]

Don't worry Ernie, those ICE vehicles won't be white elephants overnight, it'll take another ten years

 

[Sampras]

6. The transmission hump + and wasted space.

I didn't want this response to get lost because it's exactly what I'm talking about. The hump never bothered me when I drove an ICE vehicle. I never gave it a second thought until I bought an EV.

But now that I can vacuum my car in the same way I vacuum my living room (no hump!), I can't believe I put up with it for all these years. It's something you don't realize until it's gone...

 

[Husky]

It's also much easier to carry long, bulky objects.

 

[EdP]

I didn't want this response to get lost because it's exactly what I'm talking about. The hump never bothered me when I drove an ICE vehicle. I never gave it a second thought until I bought an EV.

But now that I can vacuum my car in the same way I vacuum my living room (no hump!), I can't believe I put up with it for all these years. It's something you don't realize until it's gone...

Hump? You mean that thing that is now a center console? Good portion of the cars on the road today are FWD but you still can't sit three across like the old Chevy.

 

[Looney100]

Hump? You mean that thing that is now a center console? Good portion of the cars on the road today are FWD but you still can't sit three across like the old Chevy.

I have a friend whose father had a Caddy that sat three UP FRONT on a BENCH SEAT.

 

[BearDenBob]

I do like that the wheelbase to overall length ratio can be relatively small which means EVs have the potential to offer unusually ample passenger space given the vehicle length. I don't know if that's inherent to EVs but it does seem to be a fairly common theme.

 

[enrique_7812x]

Over the lifecycle of a vehicle the EV has lower greenhouse gas emissions and this will only improve with battery technology advancements.

Greenhouse emissions isn't the only factor to be concerned about. Are we in such a rush to "save the planet" that we're ignoring how we get that latest technology? Is the new way really that much better than the old way?
I found this video eye-opening on how the EV push is affecting people and the planet (land and water). This is just the beginning.

 

[Sampras]

Yes, we all know that most motor vehicles are not true investments with any hope of appreciating. However, most of us do care that our vehicles hold value and don’t become white elephants overnight.

Here's why people are questioning your motives. You agree that most used cars, including your own, depreciate in value. But you felt the need to come to an EV board and post in an ICE thread a message that essentially says "haha, your vehicle is depreciating faster than my vehicle!"

In fact, it was so important for you to rub our noses in it that you posted the same article TWICE and have brought it up on your own at least two additional times. I have no idea why you'd enjoy the misfortune of others and then go out of your way to let them know you're enjoying it.

It's true that EVs do depreciate quickly, but it's almost exactly the same rate at which luxury cars depreciate (49% to 48.1% over 5 years, while Hyundai's are a little better at 40-45% over that same period depending on the model).

My question to you is this: do you also go to BMW boards and post "Hi everyone, Hyundai owner here, I see your Beemers depreciate faster than my car does...that's too bad for you!" in a random thread? If not, why do you do it here on an EV board?

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[EdP]

I found this video eye-opening on how the EV push is affecting people and the planet (land and water). This is just the beginning.

Just beginning? It is just an interim. New batteries do not use cobalt or lithium. Science marches on!

7 New Battery Technologies to Watch | Built In

New battery technologies are being researched and developed to rival lithium-ion batteries in terms of efficiency, cost and sustainability.

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[Husky]

Greenhouse emissions isn't the only factor to be concerned about. Are we in such a rush to "save the planet" that we're ignoring how we get that latest technology? Is the new way really that much better than the old way?
I found this video eye-opening on how the EV push is affecting people and the planet (land and water). This is just the beginning.

Unfortunately, mining is and always has been bad for the environment and the people who do it. This includes mining for copper (used for plenty of things besides EVs), aluminum and steel; metals which are of course used in ICE vehicles as well.
As bad as the mining is, I believe the calculus is that reducing global carbon emissions overall, and soon (since we've largely ignored the warnings of the climate scientists for decades already) is the more important and critical goal.

 

[Sampras]

Greenhouse emissions isn't the only factor to be concerned about. Are we in such a rush to "save the planet" that we're ignoring how we get that latest technology? Is the new way really that much better than the old way?
I found this video eye-opening on how the EV push is affecting people and the planet (land and water). This is just the beginning.

I think this is an interesting question and worthy of its own thread. What I find most interesting is that many are willing to live with the current environmental damage but this battery mining for EVs crosses the line. Have you ever researched the impact of the rubber/tire industry? How about the mining of iron ore and other materials used to build all vehicles? How about mining these same materials for energizers and cell phone batteries?

I honestly don't know and will read through everything that gets posted for and against so I can educate myself...

 

[enrique_7812x]

Just beginning? It is just an interim. New batteries do not use cobalt or lithium. Science marches on!

Maybe, if we ever get there. "New Battery Technologies To WATCH", meaning we're not quite there yet. Next up ......... copper, nickel, manganese, graphite. The mining will not stop, especially if the entire world moves to EVs, not just the relatively small segment we have now.

 

[enrique_7812x]

I think this is an interesting question and worthy of its own thread. What I find most interesting is that many are willing to live with the current environmental damage but this battery mining for EVs crosses the line. Have you ever researched the impact of the rubber/tire industry? How about the mining of iron ore and other materials used to build all vehicles? How about mining these same materials for energizers and cell phone batteries?

I honestly don't know and will read through everything that gets posted for and against so I can educate myself...

I have no problem with people buying EVs. In fact, I looked into buying one myself in 2022, but decided against it. I couldn't justify the initial cost of the vehicle. And since we tend to keep vehicles for 10 years or more (our 2007 Infiniti is still going strong), I didn't want a hefty price tag later on to replace the main battery either. Around town, they were enticing. But not on longer trips. If I do go that route in the future, it'll likely be a hybrid, not a plug-in.
With that said, EVs are not the environmentalist dream some make them out to be. Videos like that should make people think twice.

 

[EdP]

With that said, EVs are not the environmentalist dream some make them out to be. Videos like that should make people think twice.

Oil is a finite material too. Our grandkids may see it gone. At what point will we stop building ICE cars since they won't work any more?

 

[enrique_7812x]

Oil is a finite material too. Our grandkids may see it gone. At what point will we stop building ICE cars since they won't work any more?

Strawman's argument. I never said we shouldn't stop exploring better tech. Just don't sell EVs as the latest panacea.
The "Oh no, we've only got 10 years because the world's on fire" apocalyptic argument that resurfaces every 10 years is greatly exaggerated. If it wasn't, you would have ditched that ICE vehicle for an EV long ago.

 

[Husky]

Strawman's argument. I never said we shouldn't stop exploring better tech. Just don't sell EVs as the latest panacea.
The "Oh no, we've only got 10 years because the world's on fire" apocalyptic argument that resurfaces every 10 years is greatly exaggerated. If it wasn't, you would have ditched that ICE vehicle for an EV long ago.

Tell the people dying from heat stroke how exaggerated the risk is. Or the people who can no longer buy house insurance in Florida and California, because insurance companies have realized they're losing too much money in those regions. Tell the people who are constantly having to evacuate in northern California and Oregon due to record wild fires.
There are regions of the country and the world where people have lived for centuries that are now being considered nearly uninhabitable due to the heat.

 

[Looney100]

No one on this forum has suggested EVs are some panacea - they aren’t. They are a marginal to moderate improvement over ICEs, depending on the grid from which they are charged. Environmental benefits were not my primary decision factor in getting the GV60, but is something I appreciate.

As Sampras said (and they referred to in the podcast Alfer linked without listening to) mining isn’t great, regardless of the target. Lately, research seems to be consistently coming down on the side that EVs are a net environmental good - unless driven within a very carbon-intense electrical grid.

 

[Looney100]

Strawman's argument. I never said we shouldn't stop exploring better tech. Just don't sell EVs as the latest panacea.
The "Oh no, we've only got 10 years because the world's on fire" apocalyptic argument that resurfaces every 10 years is greatly exaggerated. If it wasn't, you would have ditched that ICE vehicle for an EV long ago.

Ha! You just attempted to rebut a supposed Strawman with your own Strawman.

So many here would have benefitted from time on their high school debate teams.