Supercharger access - bad news (likely)

[Gen-EV]

I'm afraid you might be right, but I _hope_ that you are wrong. For example, I bought mine used as a CPO - so b/c of the full factory warranty + still some of the 3-yr clock left, Genesis definitely knows about this owner.

I'm a CPO owner as well and wondering the same question. I called GCS for an update last week and they had none. GCS said that the letters and emails will go out based on the information on MyGenesis so I still have my fingers crossed.
You got some free EA with your CPO? Lucky you! I did not because the previous owner registered with EA and it is non-transferable.

 

[Zcd1]

Interesting information on the transition and what's required, with commentary from Hyundai:

The Story (and Difficulties) Behind Hyundai's Switch from CCS to NACS

 

[gvjim]

This story is about what it took to change the vehicle to a NACS port. Nothing about what it takes to connect an existing CCS vehicle to NACS. The relay system he describes is replaced by a human physically plugging in the correct adapter. The human has to understand that there are two adapters - one for AC charging, one for DC charging, and they must select the correct adapter for the type of charger they are connecting to. Unlike the built in port, there is no software check to make sure the human plugs in the correct adapter. The job of the relay and the software is replaced by the human.

All this is ready to go, we are just waiting for a permission slip from Elon. It actually did work for a few days last month. I think Elon likes having people waiting on his imperial decree. What really worries me is what is to stop Elon from rescinding Supercharger access next month, next quarter, or next year? This is one of the multiple reasons I don't plan to get too reliant on Superchargers.

 

[noremacnova]

What really worries me is what is to stop Elon from rescinding Supercharger access next month, next quarter, or next year? This is one of the multiple reasons I don't plan to get too reliant on Superchargers.

I share your concern. But I’m assuming that HMC has some contractual agreements in place (or soon will) with Tesla. Contracts are enforceable, but as we’re seeing on the national stage, oligarchs are happy to see you in court.

 

[Zcd1]

This story is about what it took to change the vehicle to a NACS port. Nothing about what it takes to connect an existing CCS vehicle to NACS. The relay system he describes is replaced by a human physically plugging in the correct adapter. The human has to understand that there are two adapters…

We already know that an adapter will be required, and that it works, so I saw no reason to repeat that information.

It’s physically impossible to insert the wrong plug into the wrong socket or vice versa, no matter how hard an ignorant person might try…

 

[noremacnova]

It’s physically impossible to insert the wrong plug into the wrong socket or vice versa, no matter how hard an ignorant person might try…

There is one circumstance where this might be a problem. If you connect a NACS DC fast charger to a NACS-to-J1772 adapter (which would physically fit), then plugged the adapter into your vehicle J1772 port, there could be a problem. Note that this type adapter would normally only be used with a Tesla destination AC charger.

 

[gvjim]

But I’m assuming that HMC has some contractual agreements in place (or soon will) with Tesla

I share you're assumption.

Contracts are enforceable,

Up until a few weeks ago I would have shared this assumption also. Now, I'm not so sure.

 

[MDB]

I'm a CPO owner as well and wondering the same question. I called GCS for an update last week and they had none. GCS said that the letters and emails will go out based on the information on MyGenesis so I still have my fingers crossed.
You got some free EA with your CPO? Lucky you! I did not because the previous owner registered with EA and it is non-transferable.

What is the website for "MyGenesis"? Thanks!

 

[noremacnova]

What is the website for "MyGenesis"? Thanks!

For the USA: Genesis Owners Homepage | MyGenesis

 

[Zcd1]

SWMBO has a CA-AZ road trip scheduled for early April.

There are exactly 4 EA charging pylons between our home in LaQuinta CA and her destination in Scottsdale AZ, but that particular EA location ( Love's Travel Stop Quartzsite | Quartzsite, AZ | EV Station ) has been the source of an overabundance of charging frustration over the years, so I'm not willing to have her make the trip in the GV60 with that location as her only option...

So, if the 36+ (yes, really) Tesla Superchargers in that same area aren't open to the GV60 by the time of her trip, she'll probably have to take my Tesla...

The situation is just as ridiculous now as it was when we first faced this same trip and same charging dilemma 24 months ago:

New owner rant - why couldn't we take our new car on a road trip last weekend?!?

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[gvjim]

I had to look up what SWMBO meant - LOL!

 

[steveinarizona]

So, if the 36+ (yes, really) Tesla Superchargers in that same area aren't open to the GV60 by the time of her trip, she'll probably have to take my Tesla...

Sometimes it is good to drive the competition and understand how much we have going for us in a GV60.

 

[Zcd1]

Sometimes it is good to drive the competition and understand how much we have going for us in a GV60.

LOL - well, I’m sure she would rather drive her GV60, but I would absolutely prefer to drive my Model S Plaid…

Regardless, the point remains that she should be able to drive the GV60 but probably can’t…

 

[Gen-EV]

There is one circumstance where this might be a problem. If you connect a NACS DC fast charger to a NACS-to-J1772 adapter (which would physically fit), then plugged the adapter into your vehicle J1772 port, there could be a problem. Note that this type adapter

Today there are multiple reports that Tesla has disabled the ability of Kia's being able to charge at a Supercharger by pretending they are Hyundai's. I don't know for sure, but I imagine this also applies to the GV60. I also saw a report that Hyundai's also lost this ability. I wonder if this even applies to the brand new Ionic 5's that have a J3400 port. That would suck.

I hope that the CP (Control Pilot) pin on the J1772 would recognize that a DCFC is aligned to the vehicle during the startup cycle and would stop the DCFC from sending DC to the AC pins.

I have often wondered what information was communicated between the charger and the vehicle during the startup cycle. The videos I watch only spoke to the basics like SOC and how many kW the vehicle will accept. This indicates, as I have suspected, that the Manufacturer, model and VIN are also likely communicated. Otherwise anyone with a Tesla account and an adapter could charge at a supercharger. Taking is a step further, Tesla could use the VIN to charge non-Teslas more per kW and throttle the speed of the charger. (I have heard that only Cyber Truck has access to the high charge rates) All this in an effort to stimulate Tesla sales.

 

[GreyGV60]

LOL - well, I’m sure she would rather drive her GV60, but I would absolutely prefer to drive my Model S Plaid…

Regardless, the point remains that she should be able to drive the GV60 but probably can’t…

It's a personal choice to own a Tesla in this environment with Musk in the news so much and all of the backlash against Tesla, You hear about people setting Teslas on fire, vandalising them and showrooms and burning charging stations. In California there have been reports of Tesla's be set on fire, people harassing Tesla drivers and throwing things at their vehicles. I do understand your concerns about the limited ability to charge the GV60 for her trip and that's a huge concern. But please be mindful that there are a lot of crazy people out there and some may target Tesla vehicles. On the insurance front, insurance companies are considering rate increases due to the number of current and potential future vandalism claims. Right now a new Tesla is cheap to buy and a used one even cheaper, but personally I would not buy one. I would probably consider a Lucid. With that said, I understand a lot of people love their Tesla's and will be a Tesla fan forever. Just be safe out there.

 

[steveinarizona]

It's a personal choice to own a Tesla in this environment with Musk in the news so much and all of the backlash against Tesla, You hear about people setting Teslas on fire, vandalising them and showrooms and burning charging stations. In California there have been reports of Tesla's be set on fire, people harassing Tesla drivers and throwing things at their vehicles. I do understand your concerns about the limited ability to charge the GV60 for her trip and that's a huge concern. But please be mindful that there are a lot of crazy people out there and some may target Tesla vehicles. On the insurance front, insurance companies are considering rate increases due to the number of current and potential future vandalism claims. Right now a new Tesla is cheap to buy and a used one even cheaper, but personally I would not buy one. I would probably consider a Lucid. With that said, I understand a lot of people love their Tesla's and will be a Tesla fan forever. Just be safe out there.

I don't understand your point as it pertains to this thread. If there are non teslas at the charge stations that doesn't make Teslas more or less of a target by folks who dislike Musk. If there are only Teslas at the stations, it is even easier for someone to vandalize the Teslas or the charging stations.

 

[gvjim]

This indicates, as I have suspected, that the Manufacturer, model and VIN are also likely communicated.

Of course, this sort of information is also needed for plug and charge.

 

[GreyGV60]

I don't understand your point as it pertains to this thread. If there are non teslas at the charge stations that doesn't make Teslas more or less of a target by folks who dislike Musk. If there are only Teslas at the stations, it is even easier for someone to vandalize the Teslas or the charging stations.

I don't understand your point as it pertains to this thread. If there are non teslas at the charge stations that doesn't make Teslas more or less of a target by folks who dislike Musk. If there are only Teslas at the stations, it is even easier for someone to vandalize the Teslas or the charging stations.

The post said she probably would like to drive the GV60 but probably can't due to the superchargers not being available to the GV60 by the time of her trip and would therefore take his Tesla. The point is if you drive a Tesla in this crazed Musk environment, be safe as there are a lot of crazy people out there damaging Teslas that are parked in parking lots, on the streets overnight etc.. Most of my neighbors drive Teslas (Models 3, Y, S Plaid and Cyberbeast Foundation) and they are concerned some crazy person may damage their Teslas for no reason.

 

[Zcd1]

The post said she probably would like to drive the GV60 but probably can't due to the superchargers not being available to the GV60 by the time of her trip and would therefore take his Tesla. The point is if you drive a Tesla in this crazed Musk environment, be safe as there are a lot of crazy people out there damaging Teslas that are parked in parking lots, on the streets overnight etc.. Most of my neighbors drive Teslas (Models 3, Y, S Plaid and Cyberbeast Foundation) and they are concerned some crazy person may damage their Teslas for no reason.

Like virtually everything these days, these incidents are being SO overblown.

If you or anyone thinks I’m (we’re) gonna let a few nutjobs affect my enjoyment of a car I’ve lusted after for quite a while, you’re sadly mistaken.

On a related note, I drove my car to a cars and coffee in SoCal today and had only respectful conversation about and compliments paid to the car.

 

[steveinarizona]

Like virtually everything these days, these incidents are being SO overblown.

There are tons of Teslas around here and I have not seen anything suggesting attacks on the cars or the drivers. As to the reports, many of them are either made up or people doing it to their own cars.