Tesla -> GV60 transition tips?

[ELNJ]

We'll be taking delivery of a 2024 GV60 this week (exciting!) and then selling our Tesla Model Y, so I've been thinking about what the transition will be like. For reference, I've driven EV-only for more than 10 years (Nissan Leaf, Tesla Model Y, now GV60) so I'm familiar with managing charging, thinking about range, planning trips, etc. So I'm thinking about this more from the standpoint of specifics of controls, functions, etc.

Things on my mind already:

• Charging will of course be different, with the shift from the uniform experience of the Supercharger network to the bigger variation of other DC fast-charging networks. I have a bunch of the different network apps on my phone already, and I'm sure I'll be adding more. I'm getting a Performance model, so I'll have to adapt to the shorter range compared to the Model Y Long-range, but in general I don't mind more frequent stops (and don't take a ton of road trips anyway).
• I'm aware of the differences between the one-pedal Tesla regenerative braking mode and the bigger range of settings for the GV60. That will take some experimenting to see what mode I like.
• I'm looking forward to more physical buttons! Though it will take some time to learn where everything is.

Former Tesla owners, are there other things that you had to adjust to in switching to a GV60? Are there functions/features from the Tesla that you missed, and eventually found in the settings somewhere?

Thanks for any thoughts!

 

[steveinarizona]

The GV60 not only provides a bigger range of settings for regen but does it differently. On a Tesla, if you step on the brake pedal, you immediately invoke the friction brake. On the GV60 when you first step on the brake pedal it invokes regen and only turns on the friction brake if you press hard or fast. That means that whether you choose to drive the GV60 in a one pedal manner, or instead drive it like an ICE car (using the brake pedal to slow down or stop) your efficiency will be pretty much the same. If you choose the traditional (ICE) form of driving as I do you might want to turn on the auto stop as otherwise the car will want to crawl through intersections while you are waiting for the light to change.

The GV60 has a feature where you let the car determine your seating position and the position of the seat and steering wheel. I started off sitting high thinking it would give me a more commanding view of the road in front of me. When I tried the feature it set me much lower. I decided that even though I didn't like it, I would give it a try for at least a week. That was more than a year ago and I still use the position picked for me by the car. Essentially it puts me in the car rather than on it.

I have been using my phone as a digital key for some time. It works perfectly. I do keep the card key in my wallet as a backup. The only problem with not carrying the fob is that there is one feature on the fob that I can't get on my phone: remotely backing the car out of a parking space. If some ahole parks so close to me that I can't get it, if I have the fob I could back it out before getting in. But I haven't had to do that yet.

Your car will have V2L built in. We don't have many power outages where I live but if I did, I could plug both my refrigerators into the car.

I don't know which model you got. I have the Performance model and there is not a hole in traffic that I can't slide into if I try (which I usually don't). Instant torque.

Another feature that you will have that you didn't have with the Tesla is a HUD. I will not buy a car without a HUD.

Hopefully, you have a good dealer nearby. Genesis appears still to be struggling with the franchisee experience.

 

[ELNJ]

Thanks! Good to know about the auto seat adjustment. I’m 6’3” so it will be interesting to see where it puts me. Can it auto-select different driver profiles (with seat position) based on which phone is present?

V2L will be nice to have. In my old Prius I installed a cable with Anderson-type connectors attached to the 12V battery in back so I could easily connect an inverter, but the Tesla really limits how much current you can draw from the 12V system, making that impractical.

Looking forward to the HUD as well - big change from the Tesla where none of the displays are even in front of you at all!

 

[steveinarizona]

Thanks! Good to know about the auto seat adjustment. I’m 6’3” so it will be interesting to see where it puts me. Can it auto-select different driver profiles (with seat position) based on which phone is present?

V2L will be nice to have. In my old Prius I installed a cable with Anderson-type connectors attached to the 12V battery in back so I could easily connect an inverter, but the Tesla really limits how much current you can draw from the 12V system, making that impractical.

Looking forward to the HUD as well - big change from the Tesla where none of the displays are even in front of you at all

I don't know the answer to the double profile question. The display location on the Tesla, along with the company's refusal to offer a HUD are two of the many reasons why I would never buy a Tesla. First the company puts it on the side and then it refuses to offer a HUD option which would at least put some of the info directly in front of the driver.

And Tesla "minimalism" is another reason. I call it "cheapism" as that is what it really is. It is less expensive to put all the control on the info screen. I can understand doing it on a mainstream model but not on something marketed as a luxury vehicle. Like you I used to be a Prius driver but I hated the display in the middle of the car. I have Tom Lehrer (Songs and Lyrics by Tom Lehrer) on a USB stick. One button activates the radio; another activates the USB stick. If I am listening to the radio and want to see a map, there is a button for that. I think there are 22 seat adjustments and they can be made from switches on the side of the seat, where they belong, not on the info screen.

I confidentially predict that you will love the GV60.

I do have a couple of complaints: (1) I wish that the adjustable suspension were more adjustable for handling purposes; and (2) I will the car came with ultraperformance summer tires. I bit the bullet and replaced them all with Michelin Pilot Sport 4S HL rated tires and now the car feels planted to the road.

My car is now a year and a half old. In the interim many more EVs have been released. But if mine were totaled tomorrow, I would likely replace it with another. I would be tempted by the Porsche Electrified Macan but I don't think it is worth the many tens of thousands of extra dollars to purchase it compared to what I get on my GV60P.

One more comment: I have a friend who is 6'10". When he and his wife decided that they wanted a truck for retirement, they had to get rid of his wife's beloved Lexus NX because he couldn't fit in it. They replaced it with an X3. My friend tried sitting in the driver's seat of my GV60 and he said it fitted very well. So I don't know how the automatic seating function will work on a tall individual (I used to be 5'8") but you won't have any trouble fitting in.

 

[gvjim]

It takes a while to learn what all the buttons on the GV60 do. But once you do learn, it becomes second nature and I love all of the control that I have at my fingertips, I can now perform most operations by feel.

A big difference from Tesla is that CarPlay/Android auto is available, and I use CarPlay constantly. I made a post here a while ago listing all of the CarPlay apps I have installed.

A feature of the GV60 that I think may be under appreciated is the jog wheel in the center console. It took me a while to realize how useful this is. It can control both the native interface and CarPlay. I now use the jog wheel about 60% and the touch interface about 40%.

Like Bruce, I really love the HUD. Unfortunately, mine is mostly not working correctly any more, but there is a service appointment scheduled so hopefully that will be fixed. It seems to be some sort of thermal problem, it works ok when it's cooler (especially at night), but fades away when it's warm. But when it's working, it's fantastic.

Unlike the Tesla, you can engage lane centering separately from cruise control. I always turn on lane centering immediately when I start the car (unfortunately you have to do this each time). There's no scenario where I don't want lane centering, except when changing lanes, and it automatically disengages temporarily when you use the turn indicator.

If you like Tesla 1-pedal driving then you'll probably want to use that mode in the GV60. Just pull the left paddle once when you start. You also have to do it again if you ever go into reverse. Unfortunately you cannot set the car to permanently stick in 1-pedal mode. Crazy, right?

If you live somewhere where it rains, you'll have to get used to the fact that the GV60 windshield wipers work correctly, in the usual way

Another problem you won't have - trying to remember which of the 7 identical cars in the parking lot is yours! I think I've only seen another GV60 in the same parking lot once or twice in 15 months.

Disclaimer, I have never owned a Tesla, but I did rent one for a multi-day road trip before I purchased the GV60. And I did my homework - I read the entire manual. One unfortunate difference between the cars is that the owner's manual for the GV60 is terrible. No, it's worse than terrible. Tesla definitely did a good job on theirs.

Another thing I agree with Bruce on - I think you're going to love it! Looking forward to hearing about your experience here.

 

[ELNJ]

If you live somewhere where it rains, you'll have to get used to the fact that the GV60 windshield wipers work correctly, in the usual way

LOL - yes, not having to look at the touch screen to turn the wipers on or change their speed will be quite welcome!

 

[ELNJ]

Software updates: the Tesla can connect to a home WiFi network, and uses that to download updates while the car is parked. It sounds like the GV60 only uses cellular/LTE? Can it be set to download and install overnight when a new update is available? I’ve seen people mention long download times and/or needing to leave home to get the download to work, but maybe that’s just for people who happen to have poor coverage from that particular network (Verizon?) where they live?

 

[steveinarizona]

Software updates: the Tesla can connect to a home WiFi network, and uses that to download updates while the car is parked. It sounds like the GV60 only uses cellular/LTE? Can it be set to download and install overnight when a new update is available? I’ve seen people mention long download times and/or needing to leave home to get the download to work, but maybe that’s just for people who happen to have poor coverage from that particular network (Verizon?) where they live?

I believe that the GV60 only downloads while you are operating the car. But once the download is complete, the car will finish the installation while the car is off.

 

[ideutsch]

Software updates: the Tesla can connect to a home WiFi network, and uses that to download updates while the car is parked. It sounds like the GV60 only uses cellular/LTE? Can it be set to download and install overnight when a new update is available? I’ve seen people mention long download times and/or needing to leave home to get the download to work, but maybe that’s just for people who happen to have poor coverage from that particular network (Verizon?) where they live?

Updates are delivered either OTA or by downloading update files to a USB storage device using a computer. The vehicle has to be on for the installation to take place in either case. I’ve had better luck with installing from a USB storage device than waiting for OTA.

 

[Zcd1]

You'll need to get used to the clumsy transition from acceleration to coasting/braking.

You'll need to get used to OTA updates being a real pain in the a**, IF they ever come.

You'll need to get used to regen braking not being able to bring the car to a complete stop, and to a clumsy transition from regen to physical braking in the last 5 mph of deceleration.

You'll need to get used to the car's NAV being truly awful when it comes to trip-planning for trips beyond the car's range.

I like our GV60, but I miss many Tesla-isms when driving it...

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[Ed_S]

The GV60 has a feature where you let the car determine your seating position and the position of the seat and steering wheel. I started off sitting high thinking it would give me a more commanding view of the road in front of me. When I tried the feature it set me much lower. I decided that even though I didn't like it, I would give it a try for at least a week. That was more than a year ago and I still use the position picked for me by the car. Essentially it puts me in the car rather than on it.

100% agree, when we first got our GV70-EV, I thought it was "gimmick", but then I figured why not give it a chance. The car gave me a seating position quite different than my typical seat setup, but I tried the car's recommended position and have now been using it for over a year!

 

[Zcd1]

Oh - and most aggravating of all for me, you’ll have to get used to the car not retaining your preferred drive modes every time you drive.

 

[EdP]

Oh - and most aggravating of all for me, you’ll have to get used to the car not retaining your preferred drive modes every time you drive.

Is it EPA regulated like in ICE cars? It can save ECO mode but not Sport or any mode less economical that what was tested for ratings. .

 

[ideutsch]

Is it EPA regulated like in ICE cars? It can save ECO mode but not Sport or any mode less economical that what was tested for ratings. .

Yes, that’s how it works.

 

[Zcd1]

Yes, that’s how it works.

Yes, and Tesla (and others) used the average of the range ratings in the various modes to arrive at their EPA ratings, allowing the cars to remain in whatever mode the driver chooses.

Genesis evidently used only the Comfort range rating, so the GV60 defaults to that mode every time the ignition is cycled.

 

[gvjim]

You'll need to get used to the clumsy transition from acceleration to coasting/braking.

You'll need to get used to regen braking not being able to bring the car to a complete stop, and to a clumsy transition from regen to physical braking in the last 5 mph of deceleration.

I think you stated this on the forum before before, and I disagree on both points. There's no clumsy transition from acceleration to coasting/braking, and regen braking absolutely will bring the car to a complete stop - I do that all the time. And I have never observed a "clumsy transition from regen to physical braking in the last 5 mph of deceleration" - it's smooth as butter for me. Maybe there is something wrong with your car.

 

[ideutsch]

Yes, and Tesla (and others) used the average of the range ratings in the various modes to arrive at their EPA ratings, allowing the cars to remain in whatever mode the driver chooses.

Genesis evidently used only the Comfort range rating, so the GV60 defaults to that mode every time the ignition is cycled.

I haven’t owned a Tesla, so I can’t speak to that, but every other vehicle I’ve owned doesn’t allow the drive mode to stay in anything other than Eco or Normal due to advertised efficiency ratings. Don’t make it out like it’s just Hyundai/Kia/Genesis that does this. It’s standard across the industry.

 

[Zcd1]

I think you stated this on the forum before before, and I disagree on both points. There's no clumsy transition from acceleration to coasting/braking, and regen braking absolutely will bring the car to a complete stop - I do that all the time. And I have never observed a "clumsy transition from regen to physical braking in the last 5 mph of deceleration" - it's smooth as butter for me. Maybe there is something wrong with your car.

Yes, I have stated it before, and by comparison, the GV60’s transitions ARE clumsy, IMO.

Regen braking to a stop requires i-Pedal or the paddle, both of which decelerate more strongly than I would or is comfortable for me or my passengers.

Teslas have a single, extremely well-calibrated regen braking setting that executes a perfect chauffeur stop every time simply by releasing pressure on the accelerator pedal.

If you regularly drove a Tesla back to back with the GV60 like I do, you’d understand the difference.

 

[Zcd1]

I haven’t owned a Tesla, so I can’t speak to that, but every other vehicle I’ve owned doesn’t allow the drive mode to stay in anything other than Eco or Normal due to advertised efficiency ratings. Don’t make it out like it’s just Hyundai/Kia/Genesis that does this. It’s standard across the industry.

The EPA allows mfrs. to decide which calculation method to use to finalize their range ratings.
Tesla chooses to average the range ratings across all drive modes, which then allows the cars to retain any drive mode after an ignition cycle.

Some other mfrs (including H/K/G) choose to quote a specific mode’s range, presumably to get slightly higher numbers.

While I understand the impetus, those additional ~10 miles of range are meaningless most of the time, and I prefer to drive in Sport, so I have to switch modes every time I start the GV60.

If you regularly drove a Tesla back to back with the GV60 like I do, you’d understand the difference.

 

[gvjim]

Regen braking to a stop requires i-Pedal

I always drive in I-Pedal, so I guess that explains why I haven't seen this.

which decelerate more strongly than I would or is comfortable for me or my passengers.

Opinions vary. I wish it decelerated a bit more strongly. To me, it seems like a bit less deceleration than a Tesla, unless I put the GV60 in sport mode. I've had zero complaints from passengers.

Teslas have a single, extremely well-calibrated regen braking setting that executes a perfect chauffeur stop every time simply by releasing pressure on the accelerator pedal.

In my opinion, the same could be said of the GV60 when in I-pedal. It will be interesting to see what @ELNJ's opinion is once he gets the car.