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[brucek]

I found, and I guess, never hit save on this trip report for the bourbon side. I rushed to post before heading out to the Eagles game Sunday morning.

So @brucek - what happened?

Did you get the hooch?

Did your frustration get worse or better?

Did you get stranded?

Did you get drunk?? ;-)

Enquiring minds wanna know...

Bourbon trip report:
I came home with a lot of hooch. For those who do not know about Buffalo Trace, they generally offer one of 4 different slightly hard-to-get bottles each day. The day I was there for the first time, they had all four available to purchase. One of the people with me did not need any, so I got two bottles each of Eagle Rare, Blanton’s, E.H. Taylor Jr. Small Batch, and Weller Special Reserve.
We visited the Angels Envy tasting room the following day, and I got some bottled-in bond special releases and a single-barrel selection. We then did the Even Williams tour and tasting, which I enjoyed, and taking the tour allowed me to purchase a bottle of the 12-year-old red label. In Louisville, as part of the tour and tasting room, they operate a small experimental distillery, and they sell what is produced under the Square6 label. All three were very good, but the wheated bourbon was delicious with buttered cornbread notes.
We then went to Old Forester, where they have a tasting room and demonstration distillery. They even have a cooperage, and I got to char a barrel. They have a tasting room set up in the Rickhouse area, which is very cool. We drilled a hole in the barrels and collected a beaker of bourbon to sample. It was very cool.
Due to pending snow and places in the area announcing closures for Friday on Thursday night, we left at 8:30 AM Friday and missed the planned Bardstown and Willett part of the trip. We managed to stay ahead of the snow as it came to OH and then PA. I will go back since it was great fun.
Some pictures are below.


For the ABRP part, I think the critical advice I learned here was

I noticed this also, how I got around it was to set a destination near where the charger (not using the EV as the destination, but just the village / town), then searched for EV Chargers at the destination, I used the network filters to find the one I wanted then set that as the destination.

The return portion was easier to manage, with everything I needed being a previous destination. Using two navigating tools is a pain, but not preconditioning would be a disaster. On departure, when I only had a 15-minute ride to the charging station, the battery only got up to about 48 degrees, and the charge rate for that stop was 56.6 KWh. Generally, it started conditioning about 30-40 min from the charger. I will do a separate EV-centric trip report.

 

[EdP]

I found, and I guess, never hit save on this trip report for the bourbon side. I rushed to post before heading out to the Eagles game Sunday morning.



Bourbon trip report:
I came home with a lot of hooch. For those who do not know about Buffalo Trace, they generally offer one of 4 different slightly hard-to-get bottles each day. The day I was there for the first time, they had all four available to purchase. One of the people with me did not need any, so I got two bottles each of Eagle Rare, Blanton’s, E.H. Taylor Jr. Small Batch, and Weller Special Reserve.
We visited the Angels Envy tasting room the following day, and I got some bottled-in bond special releases and a single-barrel selection. We then did the Even Williams tour and tasting, which I enjoyed, and taking the tour allowed me to purchase a bottle of the 12-year-old red label. In Louisville, as part of the tour and tasting room, they operate a small experimental distillery, and they sell what is produced under the Square6 label. All three were very good, but the wheated bourbon was delicious with buttered cornbread notes.
We then went to Old Forester, where they have a tasting room and demonstration distillery. They even have a cooperage, and I got to char a barrel. They have a tasting room set up in the Rickhouse area, which is very cool. We drilled a hole in the barrels and collected a beaker of bourbon to sample. It was very cool.
Due to pending snow and places in the area announcing closures for Friday on Thursday night, we left at 8:30 AM Friday and missed the planned Bardstown and Willett part of the trip. We managed to stay ahead of the snow as it came to OH and then PA. I will go back since it was great fun.
Some pictures are below.


For the ABRP part, I think the critical advice I learned here was

The return portion was easier to manage, with everything I needed being a previous destination. Using two navigating tools is a pain, but not preconditioning would be a disaster. On departure, when I only had a 15-minute ride to the charging station, the battery only got up to about 48 degrees, and the charge rate for that stop was 56.6 KWh. Generally, it started conditioning about 30-40 min from the charger. I will do a separate EV-centric trip report.

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That is one of the most interesting posts here ever! Had a similar trip planned a couple of years ago but the person I was going with had some health issues so we had to cancel.

 

[Zcd1]

I found, and I guess, never hit save on this trip report for the bourbon side. I rushed to post before heading out to the Eagles game Sunday morning.

Bourbon trip report:...

That is awesome - sounds and looks like a fantastic trip!

Having done a few wine-tasting trips myself, my only question is: How in the heck do you not end up blotto even after only a couple of bourbon tastings?? ;-)

Yes, I know you're supposed to swirl, sip then spit, but seriously - I'd be under a table by noon!

 

[brucek]

That is awesome - sounds and looks like a fantastic trip!

Having done a few wine-tasting trips myself, my only question is: How in the heck do you not end up blotto even after only a couple of bourbon tastings?? ;-)

Yes, I know you're supposed to swirl, sip then spit, but seriously - I'd be under a table by noon!

It is hard not to drink too much. When I knew I had to drive back from Buffalo Trace I was very careful. I was blotto the next day with no driving.

That is one of the most interesting posts here ever! Had a similar trip planned a couple of years ago but the person I was going with had some health issues so we had to cancel.

They still have plenty of bourbon, so you can make the trip. I will let you know next time I go since I will return, and maybe we can do a forum get-together.

 

[Cabbage]

I'm a bit late to the party since I just got our GV60 early March.

I've noticed the same problems with ABRP that you mention. For future trips, following is what I plan to do. Let me know if anyone else is doing this and what luck they have with it.

1. I'll pick my own charging stops based on my own criteria such as network and food availability.
2. I'll set my next stop as the destination in ABRP. I can actually select the charger on the map and tell ABRP to 'go here'.
3. I'll manually set some charge level for departure and 'plan'.
4. I'll see how much charge ABRP says I use between departure and destination.
5. I'll add that value to my desired reserve to determine how much charge I need.
6. I'll charge to at least that level.

As for native nav, I picked up our car in Utah and immediately drove it home to the Seattle area. To my surprise, if I did a search such as "Electrify America Boise" it would find the charger. I could then select that option and the car would successfully pre-condition. I didn't have connected services yet so I had to type it in but it should be easier now that I can use voice.

Concerning ABRP accuracy, two things: Isn't it supposed to become more accurate the more you use it with an OBD dongle? And if not, we have the ability to change the default miles/kwh, correct?

 

[brucek]

I'm a bit late to the party since I just got our GV60 early March.

I've noticed the same problems with ABRP that you mention. For future trips, following is what I plan to do. Let me know if anyone else is doing this and what luck they have with it.

1. I'll pick my own charging stops based on my own criteria such as network and food availability.

I'm not sure I understand this - the reason to use ABRP is it can figure out where to stop for me.

2. I'll set my next stop as the destination in ABRP. I can actually select the charger on the map and tell ABRP to 'go here'.
3. I'll manually set some charge level for departure and 'plan'.
4. I'll see how much charge ABRP says I use between departure and destination.
5. I'll add that value to my desired reserve to determine how much charge I need.
6. I'll charge to at least that level.

As for native nav, I picked up our car in Utah and immediately drove it home to the Seattle area. To my surprise, if I did a search such as "Electrify America Boise" it would find the charger. I could then select that option and the car would successfully pre-condition. I didn't have connected services yet so I had to type it in but it should be easier now that I can use voice.

Concerning ABRP accuracy, two things: Isn't it supposed to become more accurate the more you use it with an OBD dongle? And if not, we have the ability to change the default miles/kwh, correct?

I do have the ODB dongle; it seems to take a lot of data to adjust itself. I have not paid much attention to due winter weather driving here. I have a 100+ mile drive tomorrow and will look at the data closer and see what it thinks.
I thought I would have a FL road trip this month, but due to timing, I am now flying instead of driving. I would like to try ABRP again.

 

[Cabbage]

I'm not sure I understand this - the reason to use ABRP is it can figure out where to stop for me.



I do have the ODB dongle; it seems to take a lot of data to adjust itself. I have not paid much attention to due winter weather driving here. I have a 100+ mile drive tomorrow and will look at the data closer and see what it thinks.
I thought I would have a FL road trip this month, but due to timing, I am now flying instead of driving. I would like to try ABRP again.

When I have ABRP plan all my stops, it often plans a stop at a location I don't want to use. I know I can tell it to never use that stop. That's one adjustment I need to make. When I do that, it often changes my other stops to networks I don't really want to use.

It doesn't know I will likely want to stop in Ellensburg for my first stop. Not because I need to charge, but rather because my wife and I typically don't eat until late morning and there are multiple locations to choose for food within a block of the chargers.

If I've paid my $7 for the EA+ option, I'll want to try and maximize use of EA but it will often have me stop at an EVGO, Flo, or Chargepoint. Giving EA 2 thumbs up isn't enough of an edge to make it use EA to the max. Now that I have a $500 credit on Chargepoint, I'll want to use EVGO and Chargepoint more, but only if it's conveniently located for my plans. Not enough to give them 2 thumbs up though.

If I'm going to Boulder, it doesn't know I don't want to go through Wyoming because of a lack of backup options if the EA stations are down. Nothing in Evanston, nothing in Rock Springs, nothing in Rawlins and not even EA in Laramie. I'd rather drive the extra 100 miles and go though Salt Lake and down to I70 to cross the Rockies. At least that way, I'll have multiple charging options most of the way. If they ever get around to installing the EVGO in Rock Springs, Rawlins, and Laramie; maybe I'll change my mind.

It's just easier for me to plan my own stops and let ABRP tell me how much charge I need to get to my next stop.

 

[Cabbage]

I just learned something new about ABRP that some of you may already know. I can force it to stop at the chargers I wish to use. Why is that important you ask?

As an example, when I drive from Seattle to Boulder, I spend the first night in Burley Idaho because it is half way (675 miles) and I can get free level two charging. On the first day I know I will want to stop in Ellensburg for breakfast even though I don't need electricity, but ABRP will want me to stop in Yakima. At other locations, ABRP will route me to an EA station when I may prefer to use an EVGO or Chargepoint charger to utilize the $500 credit I got when I leased the car. Just giving EVGO and Charepoint two thumbs up isn't enough to make sure ABRP sends me to those stations. However, I can force it to do so.

1. Using ABRP I did a search for the hotel I want to use and set it as my destination. If that doesn't work I can scroll the map and select the charger at that hotel.

2. I select the Plan button to have ABRP plan my stops.

3. As I suspected, it wants me to go to Yakima. If I click on the 3 horizontal bars near the X for that stop, it brings up a pop-up window.

4. Click on "Replace Charger".

5. I scroll the map to the location of my desired charger (Ellensburg) and ABRP will give me a list of available chargers in that area.

6. On the EA charger I click on "Change and Replan". ABRP replaces the Yakima charger with the Ellensburg charger and replans the trip.

7. If I then click on the 3 bars for the Ellensburg charger I can see that it plans on me stopping for 11 minutes. However, I know I'm going to be eating breakfast so I change the charging time to 20 minutes, then click on "Save".

8. The "Plan" button will be glowing indicating it needs to recalculate the plan. Click on Plan to see the adjusted route.

9. Continue to adjust your other stops in a similar manner.

10. When done, you can save the route for future use so you won't have to do all the modifying every time.

As an aside, I find it easier to sign into my account on the computer to make the modifications. When I'm done, if I save it, it should be available on my phone, although I have not yet tried that.

 

[tvmaster]

Newbie playing with ABRP for the first time. Paid for the one-month Premium usage.
Can’t figure out how to make it allow ‘ALTERNATE’ routes.
Anyone? Is it something simple I’m missing?
Help? lol

 

[Cabbage]

Newbie playing with ABRP for the first time. Paid for the one-month Premium usage.
Can’t figure out how to make it allow ‘ALTERNATE’ routes.
Anyone? Is it something simple I’m missing?
Help? lol

Try adding a waypoint along the route you want to take.

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[twrecks]

I came to this thread wanting to learn more about ABRP but now I just want bourbon! Looks like it was a fun trip!

My main takeaway thus far is that there are many ways to "skin a cat" and come up with a decent pelt. Road trips (though infrequent for my family) have been my main concern in owning an EV. Leasing in March means I missed out on the free NACS adapter and the 3-year EA charging, but I guess I have the $500 ChargePoint credit! I purchased the OBDLink adapter and ABRP premium, and hopefully will test them out on a ~5h trip down to South Padre Island this summer.

I didn't realize that you needed a specific OBDLink adapter for ABRP to work properly, so now I have two. One MX+ that stays connected to a spare tablet in the car for long-term telemetry and one CX for using with ABRP. The team at OBDLink is truly outstanding, and I can't recommend them enough. Cheers!

 

[Cabbage]

For those who do not use an OBD and the premium version of ABRP.

I drive an Advanced version. When I first selected my car in ABRP, it said it expected my car to get 3.12 miles/kwh at 65 mph. Having used the car for a few months now, and using ABRP even for short 45 mile trips to see our kids, the program has increased my consumption rate to 3.36 miles/kwh. Even at that setting it is very slightly pessimistic.

If you don't pay for the premium version, you can have ABRP use seasonal temperatures rather than actual forecast temperatures. If you drive an Advanced version, you might try setting the consumption rate at 65 mph to 3.36 miles/kwh and see if that makes it more accurate. Of course, without the premium version, it can't compensate for winds. If you drive a Performance version, you might try something around 3.18 m/kwh. Of course, you need to keep in mind that I drive our car like the old man that I am.

I have several trips coming up in the next few months:

From Puyallup to:

Cannon Beach, Oregon
Sunriver, Oregon
Boulder, Colorado

I'll report back on what the average consumption rate settles in at.

 

[tvmaster]

For those who do not use an OBD and the premium version of ABRP.

I drive an Advanced version. When I first selected my car in ABRP, it said it expected my car to get 3.12 miles/kwh at 65 mph. Having used the car for a few months now, and using ABRP even for short 45 mile trips to see our kids, the program has increased my consumption rate to 3.36 miles/kwh. Even at that setting it is very slightly pessimistic.

If you don't pay for the premium version, you can have ABRP use seasonal temperatures rather than actual forecast temperatures. If you drive an Advanced version, you might try setting the consumption rate at 65 mph to 3.36 miles/kwh and see if that makes it more accurate. Of course, without the premium version, it can't compensate for winds. If you drive a Performance version, you might try something around 3.18 m/kwh. Of course, you need to keep in mind that I drive our car like the old man that I am.

I have several trips coming up in the next few months:

From Puyallup to:

Cannon Beach, Oregon
Sunriver, Oregon
Boulder, Colorado

I'll report back on what the average consumption rate settles in at.

What exactly does the OBD do and do you have a link to one?

 

[Cabbage]

What exactly does the OBD do and do you have a link to one?

An OBD reader reads vehicle information from the OBD port that is used for troubleshooting a car. The proper reader can be connected to the ABRP app on your phone so it can pass information such as current SOC, battery voltage, battery temperature, and outside air temperature to the app. ABRP then uses that information to update its estimated SOC on arrival.

The OBD reader I got and use is the OBDLink CX. I'm sure you can find it multiple places, but it is available on Amazon for about $80.

If I'm not mistaken, you may need to subscribe to the premium version of ABRP in order to use it. However, I might be wrong. $5/month or $50/year.

 

[Zcd1]

For those who do not use an OBD and the premium version of ABRP.

I drive an Advanced version. When I first selected my car in ABRP, it said it expected my car to get 3.12 miles/kwh at 65 mph. Having used the car for a few months now, and using ABRP even for short 45 mile trips to see our kids, the program has increased my consumption rate to 3.36 miles/kwh. Even at that setting it is very slightly pessimistic.

If you don't pay for the premium version, you can have ABRP use seasonal temperatures rather than actual forecast temperatures. If you drive an Advanced version, you might try setting the consumption rate at 65 mph to 3.36 miles/kwh and see if that makes it more accurate. Of course, without the premium version, it can't compensate for winds. If you drive a Performance version, you might try something around 3.18 m/kwh. Of course, you need to keep in mind that I drive our car like the old man that I am.

I have several trips coming up in the next few months:

From Puyallup to:

Cannon Beach, Oregon
Sunriver, Oregon
Boulder, Colorado

I'll report back on what the average consumption rate settles in at.

Good information, which backs up my previous comment that ABRP is 10-15% pessimistic for our GV60P...

 

[Jeffdawgfan]

I have an AWD advanced. Now that the weather has warmed up we routinely get >300 miles per charge and the GOM is fairly accurate. For a car rated at 248 miles that is great. My Mach E with its much larger battery never got anywhere near that. Most of our driving is mixed highway and secondary roads. Very little city driving.

 

[ELNJ]

I have an AWD advanced. Now that the weather has warmed up we routinely get >300 miles per charge and the GOM is fairly accurate. For a car rated at 248 miles that is great. My Mach E with its much larger battery never got anywhere near that. Most of our driving is mixed highway and secondary roads. Very little city driving.

Wow, that’s impressive. What would you say your average highway speed is?

 

[Cabbage]

I have an AWD advanced. Now that the weather has warmed up we routinely get >300 miles per charge and the GOM is fairly accurate. For a car rated at 248 miles that is great. My Mach E with its much larger battery never got anywhere near that. Most of our driving is mixed highway and secondary roads. Very little city driving.

After watching way too many range test videos, I've decided that, for most manufacturers, the EPA estimate is pretty close to the range we should get at 65 mph on a calm 65 - 80F day with no net elevation change. Exceptions include Tesla, Rivian, and Lucid which seem to over promise but under deliver by 10 - 15% while Porsche and Mercedes do the opposite and under promise but over deliver by 10 - 15%.

Given that, I've also found that range will increase or decrease by about 7.5% to 10% for each 5 mph change in speed.

With that in mind, I would expect our GV60A to get about 300 miles of range at an average speed of about 50 to 55 mph if it met the 248 mile EPA range.

However, given the value I'm getting for 65 mph from ABRP of 3.36, that's 260 miles at 65 mph so we might hit 300 miles at speeds just a bit higher, maybe 52 to 57 mph.

 

[Jeffdawgfan]

Wow, that’s impressive. What would you say your average highway speed is?

I average around 5mph over speed limit...55-60 on secondaries and around 65-70 on highway. I'll post a picture of GOM after I charge again.

 

[Jeffdawgfan]

I said I would post this pic the next time I charged. Getting about 80 miles over what the car is rated for in range. Routinely get over 300 miles and the GOM is pretty close to being right on the money.