2012's here???

[Parrotguy]

Does it seem odd to anyone that the 2012's are here already?
Does this have to do with correcting the suspension sooner than later this year?
Wouldn't the dealers still have lots of 2011's which they will have to discount?
Do you guys have the link for the info on the 2012"s?
Thanks, Gary

 

[Mark_888]

Does it seem odd to anyone that the 2012's are here already?
Does this have to do with correcting the suspension sooner than later this year?
Wouldn't the dealers still have lots of 2011's which they will have to discount?
Do you guys have the link for the info on the 2012"s?
Thanks, Gary

1. No, the 2012 is a refresh, and automakers now release them when they are available, and don't always wait for the fall (and hopefully don't push them out the previous fall even if changes are not thoroughly tested).

2. A suspension change has been made (probably minor), but also new Hyundai tranny (8-speed) for both V6 and V8, direct-injection added to V6 with a lot more horsepower and 2 MPG better fuel economy, new front and rear lights, some sheet metal changes, and some other stuff.

3. Sure.

4. Did you try the Hyundai website?

 

[YEH]

Many automakers try to launch a new gen model or refresh earlier in the year than during the traditional Fall period.

But Hyundai (and Kia) seems particularly aggressive with the new model year launches with the 2012 Sonata and Elantra already hitting the dealer lots as well (with the 2011 Elantra only having hit dealer lots in nos. starting in March) due to some improvements over the 2011 models.

 

[Mark_888]

Many automakers try to launch a new gen model or refresh earlier in the year than during the traditional Fall period.

But Hyundai (and Kia) seems particularly aggressive with the new model year launches with the 2012 Sonata and Elantra already hitting the dealer lots as well (with the 2011 Elantra only having hit dealer lots in nos. starting in March) due to some improvements over the 2011 models.

I don't think it has anything to do with them intending to release changes mid-year. They just release them when they are done. Why should they wait until the fall if the new model has real improvements and is ready to go?

Does Microsoft only release new software versions in the fall?

 

[YEH]

^ Things are a bit diff. for the auto industry; have to take into consideration how it impacts resale value, etc.

 

[Mark_888]

^ Things are a bit diff. for the auto industry; have to take into consideration how it impacts resale value, etc.

Buyers have to take into consideration resale value. Manufacturers are in a very competitive situation and need to get their best product into dealer showrooms as fast as they can.

Yes, this was considered bad etiquette at one time, when it was customary to only release new models in the fall. At one time it considered bad etiquette in warfare to hide behind trees.

 

[gameday22]

Does it seem odd to anyone that the 2012's are here already?
Does this have to do with correcting the suspension sooner than later this year?
Wouldn't the dealers still have lots of 2011's which they will have to discount?
Do you guys have the link for the info on the 2012"s?
Thanks, Gary

Straight from Hyundai's website:

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/genesis/


They have one at my dealership in Winter Park, FL...it's a Silver 4.6L V8 fully loaded. I love the redesign/refresh overall but don't like the blinker location on the front and back...they can't be seen from the sides at all and the blinkers on the mirrors can not be seen during the day the same as it has been on all the model years. One thing to note is they have done away with the Dunlop tires and went with a Michelin equivalent. They are still 235/50R18's 97V all season tires. I like the new light through the middle of the headlights and the wider grill makes the car look a lot more aggressive/sporty in my opinion.....the rear end looks a lot better now that the exhaust is part of the bumper instead of under it. For a midstream refresh it's a nice change.

 

[acoga]

I don't think it has anything to do with them intending to release changes mid-year. They just release them when they are done. Why should they wait until the fall if the new model has real improvements and is ready to go?

That's not the way any business works that I've ever experienced. I've worked on large multi-year projects before, and you ALWAYS have a schedule that you're working off of. It'd be the height of irresponsibility to just go "eh, why bother with a schedule? Let's just call it done when we think it's done." That's fine if you're a team of 5 guys building a new web site.

But these are huge projects with thousands of people involved and they have to shut down factories to retool, get parts in the pipeline (from dozens of suppliers), prep marketing materials, work out plans to get old product out of the pipeline, book freighters, book TV time, etc.

These cars are hitting mid year because it's an intentional strategy on Hyundai's part.

 

[Mark_888]

That's not the way any business works that I've ever experienced. I've worked on large multi-year projects before, and you ALWAYS have a schedule that you're working off of. It'd be the height of irresponsibility to just go "eh, why bother with a schedule? Let's just call it done when we think it's done." That's fine if you're a team of 5 guys building a new web site.

But these are huge projects with thousands of people involved and they have to shut down factories to retool, get parts in the pipeline (from dozens of suppliers), prep marketing materials, work out plans to get old product out of the pipeline, book freighters, book TV time, etc.

These cars are hitting mid year because it's an intentional strategy on Hyundai's part.

You have completely misunderstood what I said. Completely.

In the "old days" an auto company would sit down and figure out what the new design was and map out a project plan. If the project plan determined that the new car could be ready for sale by May, marketing would not release the car to dealers until the fall anyway, or in some cases they might ask manufacturing to consider speeding up the release to the previous fall (maybe by not making so many changes). In other words, the fall release date took precedence over how long it actually took to make the changes.

Now what happens is that if the project plan to come out with a new model determines that it will be ready in May (or if they planned for fall but are ahead of schedule), it is released to dealers in May (or whenever it is ready). Who cares what they used to do in the old days when new models were only released in the fall?

You are wrong about it being an intentional strategy on the part of Hyundai to release mid-year (unless you are saying that the only other option is to delay to the fall). If the changes for 2012 were ready in fall of 2010, they would have been released at that time as 2011 models. Hyundai had some big issues to work through on the 2012 such as a brand new 8-speed tranny, and GDI added to 3.8 and 5.0 engines. Hyundai in particular, probably more than almost any other auto maker, is very aggressive about making changes as quickly as the can.

 

[MHT]

Straight from Hyundai's website:

http://www.hyundaiusa.com/genesis/


They have one at my dealership in Winter Park, FL...it's a Silver 4.6L V8 fully loaded. I love the redesign/refresh overall but don't like the blinker location on the front and back...they can't be seen from the sides at all and the blinkers on the mirrors can not be seen during the day the same as it has been on all the model years. One thing to note is they have done away with the Dunlop tires and went with a Michelin equivalent. They are still 235/50R18's 97V all season tires. I like the new light through the middle of the headlights and the wider grill makes the car look a lot more aggressive/sporty in my opinion.....the rear end looks a lot better now that the exhaust is part of the bumper instead of under it. For a midstream refresh it's a nice change.

Can you please find out for me what Michelin tire is on the car?

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[YEH]

You are wrong about it being an intentional strategy on the part of Hyundai to release mid-year (unless you are saying that the only other option is to delay to the fall). If the changes for 2012 were ready in fall of 2010, they would have been released at that time as 2011 models. Hyundai had some big issues to work through on the 2012 such as a brand new 8-speed tranny, and GDI added to 3.8 and 5.0 engines. Hyundai in particular, probably more than almost any other auto maker, is very aggressive about making changes as quickly as the can.

Hyundai did have the planning/strategy to launch the 2012 refreshed Genesis during the 1st Q but were delayed by issues with NVH.

Similarly, Hyundai did plan to launch the Sonata Hybrid before the end of last year (in order for buyers to take advantage of the tax credits for hybrids, plug-ins), but were delayed by the change in regulation requiring that the "noise maker" not have an "off" switch (among, apparently, other issues).

The Sonata and Kia Sorento and Soul got an early 2012 launch b/c of changes to their powertrains - the 2012 Sonata getting a bump in its EPA ratings and the Sorento and Soul getting new GDI powerplants.

As for the 2012 Elantra, there doesn't seem to be any real reason for such a quick changeover to the 2012 year model other than to be in line with the 2012 models for the Sonata and new Accent (the 2012 Elantra gets an Active Eco System but that doesn't change the EPA rating and only other changes are things like getting fog lamps on the GLS Preferred Package).

The Kia K7/Cadenza is ready for its US launch, but Kia has been holding off since the US market isn't quite ready for an upscale sedan from Kia.

 

[Mark_888]

Hyundai did have the planning/strategy to launch the 2012 refreshed Genesis during the 1st Q but were delayed by issues with NVH.

Similarly, Hyundai did plan to launch the Sonata Hybrid before the end of last year (in order for buyers to take advantage of the tax credits for hybrids, plug-ins), but were delayed by the change in regulation requiring that the "noise maker" not have an "off" switch (among, apparently, other issues).

The Sonata and Kia Sorento and Soul got an early 2012 launch b/c of changes to their powertrains - the 2012 Sonata getting a bump in its EPA ratings and the Sorento and Soul getting new GDI powerplants.

As for the 2012 Elantra, there doesn't seem to be any real reason for such a quick changeover to the 2012 year model other than to be in line with the 2012 models for the Sonata and new Accent (the 2012 Elantra gets an Active Eco System but that doesn't change the EPA rating and only other changes are things like getting fog lamps on the GLS Preferred Package).

The Kia K7/Cadenza is ready for its US launch, but Kia has been holding off since the US market isn't quite ready for an upscale sedan from Kia.

I am still not sure you understand what I am saying. The reason Hyundai planned on releasing the 2012 refreshed Genesis during the Q1 2011 was because that is how long it would take them to finish it, not because they thought Q1 of 2011 was better than Q4 of 2010. If they could have finished it by Q4 of last year, that is when it would have been released. Granted, when it starts getting very late in Q4 (instead of early October), then there may be some reason to hold it back a few weeks to make it a 2012 model in January.

Your comments about delays, etc, are exactly what I was saying--that they release the models when they are done, unlike the old days when changes would be delayed until the Q4 of every year, regardless of when they were ready to roll-out.

 

[YEH]

I am still not sure you understand what I am saying. The reason Hyundai planned on releasing the 2012 refreshed Genesis during the Q1 2011 was because that is how long it would take them to finish it, not because they thought Q1 of 2011 was better than Q4 of 2010. If they could have finished it by Q4 of last year, that is when it would have been released. Granted, when it starts getting very late in Q4 (instead of early October), then there may be some reason to hold it back a few weeks to make it a 2012 model in January.

There is no way that they would release a 2012 MY in 2010 - the goal was always 1st Q of 2011.

And for the 2013 MY Genesis, w/ most likely only a few minor changes, expect it to hit dealer lots sometime during the Summe or maybe early Fall.

Your comments about delays, etc, are exactly what I was saying--that they release the models when they are done, unlike the old days when changes would be delayed until the Q4 of every year, regardless of when they were ready to roll-out.

But they still have set goals/projected dates of when to release them.

Like I had stated, H/K have been more aggressive w/ regard to making changes, but for some, like the 2012 Elantra have no real reason behind it other then to make the MY for the Elantra line up w/ the Accent and Sonata.

 

[Mark_888]

There is no way that they would release a 2012 MY in 2010 - the goal was always 1st Q of 2011.

When did I say they would release a 2012 model in fall of 2010? That is absurd. If the manufacturing people said they could have GDI for 3.8 and 5.0 R-Spec, and new 8-Speed tranny, etc, etc, ready by fall 2010, all of those things would have been part of the 2011 model released in fall 2010.

But the manufacturing people (obviously) said 1Q 2011 is when they could have these things done by, so they planned to release in 1Q 2011 as 2012 model. As it happened, the manufacturing people didn't even meet that schedule, so it is June 2011.

But they still have set goals/projected dates of when to release them.

When did I ever say they don't have goals/projected dates. Obviously, it takes a lot of planning to figure out when they can build the new versions of cars that have the changes they want in them (as I mentioned above). My point is that when the planners say they can have the new features finished by a certain date, they no longer worry about whether that date is October or February or June. They release it when it is ready (with some minor exceptions). In the "old days," auto-makers released new models only in Sept-Oct of each year (for the following model year).

 

[timc1475]

I called the person listed below and he said the ride quality on non r-spec is greatly improved for 2012 over various speeds & surfaces. He currently is in Las Vegas at a Hyundai function where he has driven the r-spec and non r-spec versions.

He said the r-spec is extremely "buttoned down" and has a stiff ride as designed. He said there were 24 genesis versions there at the convention.
But the majority of allocations will be non r-spec's for this year with only approx. 1500 for MY 2012. So basically if you must have a r-spec he said to get on a list. Also stated possible local availability towards the end of June or early July when asked.

Asked about getting a "deal" he said that is up to the dealer but paying sticker is more than likely the reality. He was very nice but I think an e-mail would have been better as he was busy, non the less he knew tons more than any local dealer or for that matter contact numbers on Hyundai's own website. Hope this info helps those of us yearning for a new toy as I am.

Corporate
Contact:

Miles Johnson
714-965-3366
714-366-1048 (cell)
milesjohnson@hmausa.com

 

[Vince2]

I called the person listed below and he said the ride quality on non r-spec is greatly improved for 2012 over various speeds & surfaces. He currently is in Las Vegas at a Hyundai function where he has driven the r-spec and non r-spec versions.

NOW we are talking...just what the doctor ordered! I'm so itchy about the '12 I may actually buy one...relax Vince RELAX..ok returning to reason.

 

[Mark_888]

NOW we are talking...just what the doctor ordered! I'm so itchy about the '12 I may actually buy one...relax Vince RELAX..ok returning to reason.

You willing to pay list price, or close to it? You many have to pay that much for a while.

 

[newman]

You willing to pay list price, or close to it? You many have to pay that much for a while.

I would be willing to pay CLOSE to sticker for an r-spec soon. However, i would not pay more and I would negotiate some extras like tinting and oil changes. I would not pay over for a Hyundai (or any oer car). I would also not pay list for a v6 or 4.6.

Cheers,
Newman

 

[037]

trying to negotiate invoice, wish me luck

 

[Ruissimo]

trying to negotiate invoice, wish me luck

good luck!