Thinking of trading my 08 BMW 550....thoughts

[Stunamar]

Hey guys I test drove a 2009 4.6 and loved it but have some reservations. I love my BMW but I've been putting 4000 miles a month on that car and spending $800-$1000 a month on gas. I was hoping the 4.6 would be better on gas then the 19 I average now. Will the genesis hold up with the mileage that I'm putting on my cars? I currently have 39k on my car and want to trade it in before my warranty expires at 50k.
The car I'm looking at is a 2009 with 30k miles it as all the options with 100k warranty. The service history is perfect on this car. The dealer is asking 25k. Would I be making a mistake???

Thanks for your responses..... Would love to hear some comments with those of you with high miles....

Joe

 

[Mark_888]

Hey guys I test drove a 2009 4.6 and loved it but have some reservations. I love my BMW but I've been putting 4000 miles a month on that car and spending $800-$1000 a month on gas. I was hoping the 4.6 would be better on gas then the 19 I average now. Will the genesis hold up with the mileage that I'm putting on my cars? I currently have 39k on my car and want to trade it in before my warranty expires at 50k.
The car I'm looking at is a 2009 with 30k miles it as all the options with 100k warranty. The service history is perfect on this car. The dealer is asking 25k. Would I be making a mistake???

Thanks for your responses..... Would love to hear some comments with those of you with high miles....

Joe

Is that an add-on warranty? Original drivetrain 100K mile warranty is only good for original owner unless you have Platinum Extended Warranty.

How many MPG better do you think the Genesis will be? You should be able to do the math using EPA estimates.

 

[Stunamar]

Thanks for the reply. The car I'm looking at is a CPO covered to a 100k miles. This is the extended warranty offered by Hyjndai.
Does anyone have any experience with the Gensis over a 100k miles?

 

[Aquineas]

I think 25K is too much for an 09 with 30K miles on it. You can get a brand new 2012 V6 for low 30s, which would do better, mileage wise. How much mileage you will get is largely dependent on your breakdown of highway vs. city driving; the Genesis mileage estimates are pretty spot on. I get 24-27mpg highway, 16-19mpg city. My commute is 75-80 percent highway and I average between 21.0 and 22.5mpg.

With regards to how well the car is made, the car itself will hold up alright; the weak spot of the car is the Lexicon head unit on the tech package, which seems to have a disproportionately high number of problems.

 

[lilxskull]

You should try to get them to lower it a little. I think you will get the same mileage though so maybe you should look at something more fuel efficient if you want to save gas. I actually went today to look at a 2009 4.6 Genesis which is not CPO about 36000 miles and they are asking 27000. And when I asked to get it certified, they said that costs $500. Needless to say I walked away from their ridiculous asking price. I tried to haggle as well to get 25k but the dealer tells me I can only knock off a few hundreds so I just took off. Just try to get a little lower on the price. I think 23k-24k would be a good price.

 

[Stunamar]

The way it is now I get about 19 combined with 90% of my driving highway. With the bimmer I also have to run premium fuel, tires are very expensive which also need to be replaced. If I can average 21 combined at get 27 n the highway that would be great. If I average 25 that would be 459 miles to an 18 gallon tank vs 342 that I would get averaging 19. Average cost for premium in nj is premium 3.89 x 18 gallons = $70
Regular 3.30 x 18 gallons = $59.40

That would be a savings of $11 per fill up and I would squeeze an additional 117 miles out of a tank equaling a savings of $15.4

6.9 tanks of gas every 3000 miles least amount driven mnthly based on 25 mpg
8.7 tanks of gas every 3000 miles based on 19 mpg

My real concern is quality and will the car hold up. Particularly the suspension will it start to get loud and clunky?


Hi mileage guy please reply

 

[homeofstone]

The Genny will hold up. I have over 40,000 mile on a 2011 4.6 tech. and only routine maintenace has been needed. However, for what you will spend to purchase the Genesis you can buy a lot of gas. Also the recommended gas for the 4.6 is premium. Now, if the reason to buy is that your BMW will be out of warranty and you are concerned about high repair cost on the BMW then the Genesis is a good choice. But to recover your purchase cost in gas savings will take several years.

 

[Mark_888]

My real concern is quality and will the car hold up. Particularly the suspension will it start to get loud and clunky?

2009 suspension is pretty firm, maybe a bit out of control on rough roads (Hyundai improved it a bit in 2010 and again in 2012), Make sure you test it on some rough roads if that may be a factor. A jarring ride for hours on end can get a very tiresome. But oveall, the Genesis is pretty well put together.

You didn't say what year BMW you have, but the 2009 550i gets only 2 MPG less than 2009 Genesis 4.6 according to EPA, so maybe your calculations are off (you are estimating 6 MPG difference). If you are using regular gas, I would not count on more than that from the Genesis.

If I were you driving that many miles, I would look at 2011/12 Honda Accord EX, either 4 cyl (23/34 MPG) or 6 cyl (20/30 MPG). Hyundai Sonata might be good also. Someone coming from BMW might like Accord better than Sonata (but I have not driven the new Sonata).

And if you want a car to go more than 150,000 miles, I would consider full synthetic motor oil, especially if you can change the oil yourself (not much more expensive than regular oil at Walmart).

 

[m5trader]

Skip the used 4.6 and consider an R-Spec. If the R-Spec isn't for you look at a new 4.6, you should be able to get a new 2011 4.6 at a deep discount. I think the direct injected engines get better real world gas mileage. With Hyundai's price assurance as long as you get another Hyundai the actual cost of ownership might even be better than used. Be careful though. Everything about the Hyundai is going to seem less substantial than the BMW.

 

[Cut-Throat]

Skip the used 4.6 and consider an R-Spec. You should be able to get a new 2011 at a deep discount.

R-Spec did not come out until 2012.

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[BBQ Bandit]

This thread shows some light on the 4.6/5.0 owners out there...
What is the 'driving' factor... the MPG or the HP?

Inquiring about a 4.6 may lead to encouraging a heavy-footed entertainment... thus losing any cost savings in possible mpg.
Granted... will be counter-productive in any engine configuration.

Then there's the other side of the coin... If gas mileage is a concern... why not a 3.8 with the tech package?
The 3.8 is far from a slouch in the 300+ hp range.

 

[Glashub]

Skip the used 4.6 and consider an R-Spec. You should be able to get a new 2011 at a deep discount. I think the direct injected engines get better real world gas mileage. With Hyundai's price assurance as long as you get another Hyundai the actual cost of ownership might even be better than used. Be careful though. Everything about the Hyundai is going to seem less substantial than the BMW.

Also, C&D wrote that the suspension changes to the R-spec negate the marked suspension improvements to the 3.8 and 4.6. R-spec gets worse gas mileage than either 3.8 and 4.6. Do note that the R-spec is not really performance enhanced like a BMW or MB would be.

Personally I passed on R-spec. Coming from a SH-AWD Acura I know how thrilling speed and handling can be at first and how fatiguing the harsh ride and constant vibration in the steering wheel can be after 6 months.

But to each his own. Value wise you can't go wrong.

 

[dg_moore]

This thread shows some light on the 4.6/5.0 owners out there...
What is the 'driving' factor... the MPG or the HP?

Inquiring about a 4.6 may lead to encouraging a heavy-footed entertainment... thus losing any cost savings in possible mpg.
Granted... will be counter-productive in any engine configuration.

Then there's the other side of the coin... If gas mileage is a concern... why not a 3.8 with the tech package?
The 3.8 is far from a slouch in the 300+ hp range.

Great comment from Warren Brown in Sunday's Washington Post:

...I’ve long concluded that horsepower, which speaks to the overall amount of work an internal combustion engine can do, is a marketing ruse designed to accommodate the American bias that says the best horsepower is more of it. The trouble is, by the time you use all or most of the horsepower in driving a car or truck, you’ve gone to jail, to the hospital, or to heaven or hell....

+ 1 from me on that!

 

[newman]

Great comment from Warren Brown in Sunday's Washington Post:

...I’ve long concluded that horsepower, which speaks to the overall amount of work an internal combustion engine can do, is a marketing ruse designed to accommodate the American bias that says the best horsepower is more of it. The trouble is, by the time you use all or most of the horsepower in driving a car or truck, you’ve gone to jail, to the hospital, or to heaven or hell....

+ 1 from me on that!

I absolutely agree with the quote. The OP would do very well in a 3.8 or as Mark_888 suggests, a Sonata (fully loaded is very nice).

All that said... I just love my 429 ponies! The 5.0 engine is completely unnecessary, wasteful and environmentally unsound when compared to the wonderful 3.8 - but I wanted to own at least one V8 in my lifetime.

Cheers,
Newman

 

[m5trader]

Based on his last Hyundai review Warren Brown would probably say to keep the 550. The quest for more horsepower has led to many of the innovations that allow everyone to get better gas mileage, so buying the R-Spec will actually help the environment in the long run.

 

[Glashub]

Based on his last Hyundai review Warren Brown would probably say to keep the 550. The quest for more horsepower has led to many of the innovations that allow everyone to get better gas mileage, so buying the R-Spec will actually help the environment in the long run.

Huh? Man, you should be running for office. Or maybe you are in office.

 

[nextcar]

I absolutely agree with the quote. The OP would do very well in a 3.8 or as Mark_888 suggests, a Sonata (fully loaded is very nice).

All that said... I just love my 429 ponies! The 5.0 engine is completely unnecessary, wasteful and environmentally unsound when compared to the wonderful 3.8 - but I wanted to own at least one V8 in my lifetime.

Cheers,
Newman

That's how I feel. This is my first V8 and probably my last, as most car makers will , in the near future, stop offering a V8 option except for the very high end and exotics.
Until that happens, I will continue to enjoy my V8, which I chose over the V6 mainly for the refinement rather than the power.

 

[Gunkk]

Wife: "Do you really need the V8?"

Me: Yes.

Wife: <sigh>

Mom: "Why did you get the V8?"

Me: Because I can.

Mom: "You are your father's son."

 

[homeofstone]

Wife: "Do you really need the V8?"

Me: Yes.

Wife: <sigh>

Mom: "Why did you get the V8?"

Me: Because I can.

Mom: "You are your father's son."

Sometimes you don't need brakes; you need power to get the hell out of the way.

 

[Aquineas]

Sometimes you don't need brakes; you need power to get the hell out of the way.

Oh man is this ever the case. I see this a lot when getting onto highways. I've always felt that you should at least try to match the speed of the traffic you're merging with while you're on the onramp (if there's room enough to accelerate, obviously). You may need to slow down or speed up to "slot" yourself into a space amongst the existing traffic, accordingly. I hate being behind someone who hasn't figured this out yet.