Petition / Vote for Navigation System

[gameday22]

Who would like to see the following navigation companies in place of MapNSoft in our vehicles...regardless of model of Hyundai car owned:


A: TomTom ?
B: Garmin ?

Please keep your choices/comments to a simple A or B. Both systems are vastly superior to MapNSoft's as any of us who have factory navigation would easily agree upon.....with a lifetime map & traffic update option for a set fee at time of vehicle purchase.



If someone knows how to set up an actual vote/petition polling that would be nice also ......Thanks and I look forward to your replies !!

 

[kman]

B all the way.

I used both and prefer Garmin. I doubt Hyundai would give us an option like that, which I would gladly pay for. I don't think any car maker cares much about cars they sold, they always want you to buy a new one.

 

[Mark_888]

Does Garmin or TomTom supply navigation systems for any auto manufacturers? Keep in mind that the map updates are considered to be a source of revenue for automakers which they probably don't want to give up.

 

[EXBMWGUY]

Does Garmin or TomTom supply navigation systems for any auto manufacturers? Keep in mind that the map updates are considered to be a source of revenue for automakers which they probably don't want to give up.

Agree with Mark's question, but my answer is B.

 

[gameday22]

Does Garmin or TomTom supply navigation systems for any auto manufacturers? Keep in mind that the map updates are considered to be a source of revenue for automakers which they probably don't want to give up.

I agree that they probably wouldn't....but I would be more likely to upgrade my maps on a yearly basis for a reasonable fee, which would mean they sell more in the long run and increase revenue as an end result.


TomTom makes built in navigation for Renault, Toyota and Mazda in select vehicles from what I can see on their site.

Thanks guys for your replies

 

[Ruissimo]

What is BlueLink based on? Remember... all Hyundai models redesigned after 2011 include a BlueLink nav system instead of the current, outdated one...

 

[gameday22]

I can't find the information on who provides the maps for the BlueLink system, but i did find it costs $279/yr. to keep every feature of it up to date and in service or $229/yr. for map only updates.

By comparison a top end TomTom or Garmin will run you $250-350 with lifetime map/traffic updates included...and roughly $79/yr. to keep all the "live" features up to date.

 

[Mark_888]

I agree that they probably wouldn't....but I would be more likely to upgrade my maps on a yearly basis for a reasonable fee, which would mean they sell more in the long run and increase revenue as an end result.


TomTom makes built in navigation for Renault, Toyota and Mazda in select vehicles from what I can see on their site.

Thanks guys for your replies

I don't have built-in nav on my 2009. I purchased a Garmin 40LM for $90 (shipped) about 8 months ago, although that was a "sale" price. I get free quarterly map updates. Plus, I can take it with me and it fits in my pocket. I paid about $20 for a dash bean-bag mount (I had one from a previous Garmin).

Factory Nav will always be a rip-off because they want the revenue for the original unit (wildly overpriced) and the map updates. Same applies to audio/video systems, which is why they no longer use standard DIN mounts, preventing you from easily upgrading it yourself. That has already killed the after-market car audio business (except for the obscenely priced custom systems), and I have heard that Garmin/TomTom have had rapidly declining sales of automobile GPS units and are scrambling to get into other product lines.

 

[BacktoHyundaibychoice]

You say regardless of what system you own, so my 2 cents since you asked:
I don't have any problems with the OEM NAV, and had only 1 with my '09 Gen.
With the first (free) update I had zero problems. This includes a trip to Nashville, and 2 trips to Florida. Never a problem with destinations, routes or point of interest. The time to arrival was uncanny too. So I guess it's what you're used to or how you use it. Other than long distance trips I don't have to use it at all.
Whatever.

 

[gameday22]

You say regardless of what system you own, so my 2 cents since you asked:
I don't have any problems with the OEM NAV, and had only 1 with my '09 Gen.
With the first (free) update I had zero problems. This includes a trip to Nashville, and 2 trips to Florida. Never a problem with destinations, routes or point of interest. The time to arrival was uncanny too. So I guess it's what you're used to or how you use it. Other than long distance trips I don't have to use it at all.
Whatever.

It's not a "bad system", there is just better systems out there by other manufacturers that are more feature rich with a better map updating solution.

I use mine almost everyday, and if I put my TomTom on with the same information the IQ routing system actually learns what you do differently along the routes you take, then adjusts to your driving habits. I think the most frustrating feature on the Genny's system is the constant "make a legal u-turn" message if you deviate any from the route it wants you to take. Also the nav-traffic doesn't suggest alternative routes when it knows a problem is ahead.

It could just be a way more intuitive navigation then what it is. I understand that car manufacturers really don't care what we think about it, it's a profit maker for them. The tech package was worth getting though, setting the navigation unit aside.

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[ikeym]

well if anyone drives in NYC you can't use the nav at all because it tells you to go like the crow flys and that would take hours longer ...does not tell you to take toll crossing or highways just local streets & free bridges so worthless to me and I don't use it at all anymore!!

 

[Philth]

B

I'm pretty sure the '12 Jetta TDI my wife just purchased the other day is a Tom-Tom based navigation in it.

 

[jnc2000]

*Ahm* - in case you guys may have missed this.

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2012/06/gps-devices-are-dead/

http://www.wired.com/autopia/2012/06/siri-in-cars/

 

[gameday22]

Yeah I saw those articles, only thing I don't like is the thought of a smaller screen and it not being part of the car. I guess it's just something with no real fix in sight when it comes to integration into the car, at least for now.

 

[nb_mike]

Garmin!!!! I also have a problem with not being able to order options w/o the overpriced GPS that has very view updates and they cost an arm and a leg.

 

[mikec]

I guess I'm in the minority here... I prefer the Tech package Nav setup to the Garmin unit I also own. The Tech package Nav is the first GPS I've ever owned/used and I found it far more worthwhile than I expected... which made me decide to buy a Garmin portable unit for the other cars. I bought a then-new-model Garmin (one of the larger screen ones too - 1390 if I remember correctly). It's far more effort to use than the Genny setup, far less intuitive too. At least to me.

Of course, I won't say the Genny Tech package Nav setup is perfect either; there are a couple things I'd change if I could. The two biggies:

1: make it request the CITY before the STREET NAME when using the DIS knob to enter a destination! That'll narrow down the number of streets that match initially. I know the voice driven mode works this way... but me, with my generic SoCal accent, and the Genesis voice recognition software don't agree very often. And the voice system seems slow to me... especially when it prompts for input and stops - I start speaking then, forgetting to wait for the stupid beep. When somebody asks me a question and stops speaking, I start answering - they don't pause and then beep! Not what the Genny wants! At least it reliably recognizes when I say "CANCEL" since that's probably my most common command. Half the time, my commands get interpreted as "Call mom" for some reason. I've given up on the voice recognition. In addition to CITY name, an option to instead enter the ZIP CODE might be handy - it often is a LOT shorter than the city name!

2: When entering the street name, and then trying to jog left to highlight the potential matches... most of the time there are several possibilities. If you pick one and it's wrong, pressing the BACK button doesn't take you back one step to the list - IT THROWS AWAY THE ENTIRE LIST SO YOU HAVE TO START DIS-KNOB TYPING THE STREET NAME AGAIN! This is my single biggest beef with the whole system! It's TWO steps BACK in my opinion! If the CITY were entered first, so the street name list was thinned out, this might not be as important.

And it'd be nice if the XM Nav Traffic info could be automatically incorporated into the route plan. Since the XM Nav Traffic though is often "too little, too late" it's not a big deal to me. I know when the local freeways are going to suck and thus manually re-route to avoid them. Only traffic jams due to accidents catch me typically.

The Genesis Nav's on-screen display of distance to next turn, the direction of that turn, and the freeway view etc. are nice. And are easily visible in the Genny. It's not quite as nice on my Garmin. It's wussy speaker is useless for voice guidance and the "FM transmitter" power is so weak that I've yet to find a car FM receiver that can actually make use of it - including the Genny with its otherwise extremely sensitive FM tuner! Thank you FCC for such puny transmitter power restrictions in the US. It acts like the antenna inside the Garmin isn't connected - I can in fact hear it on the car's FM tuner if I crank the volume waaay up... but mostly I get noise/static.

Nav database updates certainly do cost too much for most cars compared to the hand-held units. Some of that is probably economy of scale: there are probably 100 times as many Garmin units out there as in-car units so the non-recurring costs (yikes, did I just use a term from my hated old college Economics class??) spread out a lot better. Maybe it's just MapNSoft is extra greedy too; I don't know. So maybe using the Garmin or TomTom database with the existing Tech package software (with the above gripes fixed too) might be the best combo in my opinion. Though I haven't had issues with lousy database accuracy and I have an early 2009 model with NO nav updates.

mike c.

 

[Mark_888]

Nav database updates certainly do cost too much for most cars compared to the hand-held units. Some of that is probably economy of scale: there are probably 100 times as many Garmin units out there as in-car units so the non-recurring costs (yikes, did I just use a term from my hated old college Economics class??) spread out a lot better. Maybe it's just MapNSoft is extra greedy too; I don't know. So maybe using the Garmin or TomTom database with the existing Tech package software (with the above gripes fixed too) might be the best combo in my opinion. Though I haven't had issues with lousy database accuracy and I have an early 2009 model with NO nav updates.

I don't think it has anything to do with economy of scale. There are only a few different map companies that actually maintain and distribute the maps. The automakers just want the extra revenue.

Same reason they don't use DIN form factor anymore (which in the old days allowed you to pull the cheap stereo unit and add your own high-end audio/video/GPS head unit at a reasonable cost), they now use custom dash installs and they force you to buy their over-priced audio/video and GPS upgrades if you want GPS or any audio system that sounds decent.

BTW the brand new Garmin models are a lot cheaper and lot better than the old ones. My new one even shows the speed limit on the road I am driving, along with my own speed, in the corner of the main screen with the maps.

Whether or not you actually need map updates depends on where you live or where your drive. In some places, new or changed roads are rare, while in other places they are common.

 

[pharmade]

My 2011 Jeep Grand Cherokee Overland had a Garmin-based GPS. Not all of them did though. It was easier for me to read than the Tech pkg GPS. But, I'm still getting used to the Genny's

 

[callenee97]

I had a Garmin before I bought this car with built in nav, and I had few problems with it except for strange losses of street names it used to know with some updates. But, in general, I'm happy with the built in nav system, although it could definitely be improved with some minor changes.

As an un-requested aside, I want to see a system with a tablet based front end, say Android, for example: install apps you want, already has capability to play music and video, use Google nav, etc. It could include cell service access (new revenue for car company and cell provider) and perhaps expand to hot-spot service in the car. I think the concept would work, with some refining.

 

[gameday22]

I had a Garmin before I bought this car with built in nav, and I had few problems with it except for strange losses of street names it used to know with some updates. But, in general, I'm happy with the built in nav system, although it could definitely be improved with some minor changes.

As an un-requested aside, I want to see a system with a tablet based front end, say Android, for example: install apps you want, already has capability to play music and video, use Google nav, etc. It could include cell service access (new revenue for car company and cell provider) and perhaps expand to hot-spot service in the car. I think the concept would work, with some refining.

Not built in but this is what I'm now considering, just have to find a logical way to mount it:

Nexus 7 Tablet ($199 8GB/$249 16GB),

http://www.google.com/nexus/#/7


Beyond being a tablet it has Google Maps with Navigation (GPS), a 7" screen, turn by turn directions. If you don't like Google navigation both TomTom and Garmin have announced an Android version of their navigation software.

It would be nice to figure out where the voice volume override of the built in system is at and plug this in through that.....any of your Tech savvy people out there get to work on a mount and this capability..ok,pls,thx !! lol.