“Evidence EVs are a fading fad is ‘rolling in fast’ as Tesla, GM and Ford slash prices“

[Alfer]

Hertz pulls back on EV plans citing Tesla price cuts, high repair costs

Hertz now has 35,000 Tesla vehicles and around 50,000 electric vehicles in its fleet.

www.cnbc.com

 

[PMCErnie]

Not true:

A Record 1.2 Million EVs Were Sold in the U.S. in 2023, According to Estimates from Kelley Blue Book - Cox Automotive Inc.

Cox Automotive publishes a quarterly Kelley Blue Book new-vehicle sales report enumerating electric vehicle sales.

www.coxautoinc.com

Forgive me, but here’s a quote from your article’s concluding remarks.

“Still, in the automobile business, nothing happens quickly. EV growth will continue to slow, and in the year ahead, we may even report the first quarter-over-quarter sales decline in more than three years.“

 

[GeeVee7T]

Not true:

A Record 1.2 Million EVs Were Sold in the U.S. in 2023, According to Estimates from Kelley Blue Book - Cox Automotive Inc.

Cox Automotive publishes a quarterly Kelley Blue Book new-vehicle sales report enumerating electric vehicle sales.

www.coxautoinc.com

"And while records were set, the oft-reported slowdown is real.

...

The EV market in the U.S. is still growing, but not growing as fast. "

So... you're both right.

 

[PMCErnie]

"And while records were set, the oft-reported slowdown is real.

...

The EV market in the U.S. is still growing, but not growing as fast. "

So... you're both right.

I only know what I read in the newspapers.

 

[GeeVee7T]

I only know what I read in the newspapers.

On this topic, I'm agreeing with you. There are a few eco-vigilantes here who would argue EVs are the Lord's Answer to evil oil... and maybe one day they'll be right.

But today is not yet that day.

 

[EdP]

On this topic, I'm agreeing with you. There are a few eco-vigilantes here who would argue EVs are the Lord's Answer to evil oil... and maybe one day they'll be right.

But today is not yet that day.

That is true, but that day will come. Now is a good time to come up with viable alternatives. It will take a long time to achieve the best designs and build the needed infrastructure.

 

[Looney100]

I bought an electric hot dog cooker once.

The building consensus on EV’s:

Evidence EVs are a fading fad is ‘rolling in fast’ as Tesla, GM and Ford slash prices

EV doubters like Toyota bet on hybrids and now look prescient.

www.marketwatch.com

Are you charging via just a regular 110 power outlet or did you pay the big bucks to get a proper charger?

That low range and the idea that you have no true idea of how far you can go daily based on weather etc. to me just isn't worth it. Add to that if you have to buy a $2k+ home charging set up.

And all that electricity needed to run the EV's will overtax the already stretched fossil fuel power stations and require MORE fossil fuels to run that EV that is supposed to "save the planet".

I'm not going to suggest that EVs are a panacea or that their use will save the planet - in fact, I worry that driving an EV makes a lot of people give themselves permission to do things that may offset what little benefit may come from EV driving. However, there are a lot of biased criticisms and confirmation bias going on here.

People buy the car they think they may need. We want something that can fit the in-laws for the visit they make every two years, the potential annual road trip, or to be able to fit the entire hockey team and their gear in the vehicle, yet 90% of the time our cars contain little more than a driver and a few groceries. We were able to ditch the SUV once we no longer had to carry strollers and diaper bags around, and haven't missed the space at all. Similarly, for most, EV range and charging time concerns are largely overblown. Yes, some may not have convenient access to charging, may tow or regularly drive long distances, but for the majority of use cases, an EV will work out just fine.

There are some very fair and substantial criticisms of EVs to be leveled, but a lot of what's in this thread is just silly.

• You don't need to spend 'big bucks' on a charger. A 120V cable - supplied with many EVs - is sufficient for most people's daily needs. IIRC, the average commute is ~40 miles/day. That can be recovered overnight at 120V. A 240V charger can be had for ~$600, I ran power to my garage, myself for ~$300 in materials. Even at those costs, fuel savings would have payback at <1 year.
• EVs will work for some people and not for others. No one is suggesting a BEV is the right powertrain for every person in every situation. I find it funny that most of those in greatest opposition to EVs have little experience with them. The fact that ~90% of EV owners state that they would purchase another in the future is pretty compelling stat. - Yes, Selection Bias is certainly at play.
• Comments that one cannot predict their range when they step into the vehicle are nonsense. My estimate of driving range in my EV is as accurate as it is/was with my ICE vehicles. Aggressive and fast driving affect EVs and ICE vehicle range similarly. It's foolish to suggest otherwise. Range and consumption simply get MUCH more attention in EVs, so people are noticing things they wouldn't in the ICE vehicles. Yes, temperatures below 5C or so will KILL EV range, but this effect is predictable. Even then, energy efficiency is no worse than a similar ICE vehicle.
• Electric motors are close to three times as efficient as ICEs. Even if electricity is produced using fossil fuels, EVs will likely result in lower carbon emissions per mile driven than an ICE equivalent. A grid that has heavy a coal production content would result in an EV having higher emissions per mile, but coal production is going the way of the dodo in the developed world. My guess would be that <10% of the people on this forum would live somewhere whose grid would result in greater CO2 per mile in an EV vs. ICE.

 

[Husky]

I only know what I read in the newspapers.

You need to understand the difference between sales growth and rate of sales growth. The rate of EV sales growth is down, while overall sales growth is still positive.

 

[Husky]

On this topic, I'm agreeing with you. There are a few eco-vigilantes here who would argue EVs are the Lord's Answer to evil oil... and maybe one day they'll be right.

But today is not yet that day.

Sure, let's just wait another xx years or even decades to deal with the problem of fossil fuel emissions (which is what we've been doing for a long time). I'm sure the planet will wait. For some of you, clearly "today will never be the day".
This sounds like the argument of an anti-eco, pro-oil vigilante.

 

[EdP]

Sure, let's just wait another xx years or even decades to deal with the problem of fossil fuel emissions (which is what we've been doing for a long time). I'm sure the planet will wait. For some of you, clearly "today will never be the day".
This sounds like the argument of an anti-eco, pro-oil vigilante.

You could live in Ethiopia and your next new car will be an EV.
Seems to be a decision on economics rather than ecology though. Lessen the oil imports.

It begins: Ethiopia set to become first country to ban internal combustion cars

Ethiopia's Transport and Logistics Ministries have announced that automobiles cannot enter the country unless they are electric. (!)

electrek.co

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