#201 Recall

[Jholt59#]

I purchase a used 2015 genesis. The dealership will not let me have my car because of the recall and they feel that it would be a liability. Does anyone know if you can buy your own abs fuse and take it to the dealership and have it replace.

 

[EdP]

I purchase a used 2015 genesis. The dealership will not let me have my car because of the recall and they feel that it would be a liability. Does anyone know if you can buy your own abs fuse and take it to the dealership and have it replace.

A few here have replaced the fuses on their own but no one mentioned anything with the dealer. While recommended to park outside it is safe to drive. That would be between you and the dealer.
Good luck, does not seem to be the way to start a business relationship.

 

[Jholt59#]

A few here have replaced the fuses on their own but no one mentioned anything with the dealer. While recommended to park outside it is safe to drive. That would be between you and the dealer.
Good luck, does not seem to be the way to start a business relationship.

Right, they wont let me drive it home until the part comes in but I could buy the part myself can't I? The notice doesn't go out until may. who knows when the part will come in. It's a fuse my goodness I am so frustrated.

 

[carguy75]

Right, they wont let me drive it home until the part comes in but I could buy the part myself can't I? The notice doesn't go out until may. who knows when the part will come in. It's a fuse my goodness I am so frustrated.

You can buy the fuses online from Amazon.com, however Hyundai have not stated what the new fuses are as of yet. It seems to be 25A delay fuses based on other Hyundai cars under the same type of ABS recall.

 

[inmanlanier]

I just discovered the recall - purportedly my 2016 is part of it, however I thought Hyundai is simply publishing a directive to wait until we're contacted. EdP - Is the fire something that can start with the car parked and off?

 

[joegr]

... Is the fire something that can start with the car parked and off?

Yes, but the odds are very very low of that happening.

 

[Jholt59#]

I got a Audi...maybe next time because my heart is still set for a Genesis and it will be brand new. Thanks for everything and everyone's help.

 

[EdP]

I just discovered the recall - purportedly my 2016 is part of it, however I thought Hyundai is simply publishing a directive to wait until we're contacted. EdP - Is the fire something that can start with the car parked and off?

Not really sure. but supposedly it can happen. I'm still parking in the garage but I'm playing the odds. Only a couple of fires.

 

[carguy75]

I just discovered the recall - purportedly my 2016 is part of it, however I thought Hyundai is simply publishing a directive to wait until we're contacted. EdP - Is the fire something that can start with the car parked and off?

The fire can start even when the car is off due to the ABS circuit maintaining a constant connection to a charge even with the car in the off position.

The fire is related to delay blow fuses that allow too much current to build up before cutting the power to the circuit in an event that the module has an internal fault that causes a short circuit.

Some ABS modules a susceptible to moisture and corrosion which is the cause of the failures. The new fuses are rated to blow at a lesser current to prevent a faulty ABS module from overheating to the point of combusting ,which could happen anytime( parked or no) hence the park outside warning.

 

[carguy75]

Not really sure. but supposedly it can happen. I'm still parking in the garage but I'm playing the odds. Only a couple of fires.

I still park in my garage as well. I just pull the two 40A fuses while my car is parked in my garage.

I will not forgive myself if something bad happens due to me just blowing off the fuse fire issue; no pun intended. Plus, it very easy to pull the fuses so no real excuse for me not to do it until Hyundai corrects the issue.

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[joegr]

Just be aware that those fuse holders were specified and designed for dozens of fuse remove/replace cycles, not hundreds. Do it often enough, and the holder will start failing to make good contact...

 

[inmanlanier]

The fire can start even when the car is off due to the ABS circuit maintaining a constant connection to a charge even with the car in the off position.

The fire is related to delay blow fuses that allow too much current to build up before cutting the power to the circuit in an event that the module has an internal fault that causes a short circuit.

Since the ABS is not in an active mode during the time the car is shut off, I cannot imagine a scenario where it could draw enough current to start a fire. I'm highly confident that it's current draw is only of concern when actually engaged (i.e. in a stop where the system is actually cycling brakes). ABS is a pump and pressure accumulator with rapid firing solenoid valves that cycle open/closed to modulate the individual wheel caliper pressure. Valves, pump and processor are needed to work for the action to take place. Sitting there in the off position, I'm highly confident there is essentially no current load.

 

[greekgeek]

Since the ABS is not in an active mode during the time the car is shut off, I cannot imagine a scenario where it could draw enough current to start a fire. I'm highly confident that it's current draw is only of concern when actually engaged (i.e. in a stop where the system is actually cycling brakes). ABS is a pump and pressure accumulator with rapid firing solenoid valves that cycle open/closed to modulate the individual wheel caliper pressure. Valves, pump and processor are needed to work for the action to take place. Sitting there in the off position, I'm highly confident there is essentially no current load.

Short circuit due to corrosion.

 

[joegr]

Since the ABS is not in an active mode during the time the car is shut off, I cannot imagine a scenario where it could draw enough current to start a fire. I'm highly confident that it's current draw is only of concern when actually engaged (i.e. in a stop where the system is actually cycling brakes). ABS is a pump and pressure accumulator with rapid firing solenoid valves that cycle open/closed to modulate the individual wheel caliper pressure. Valves, pump and processor are needed to work for the action to take place. Sitting there in the off position, I'm highly confident there is essentially no current load.

Yes, there's no problem when nothing goes wrong. When it is functioning correctly, indeed it pulls pretty much no current (therefore no power) at all when not operating. However, there is 40A at 12V (480 watts) available to it at all times. Corrosion inside the module could cause a short circuit that could pull enough of that 480 watts to catch the board or a component on fire. If it's concentrated enough and in the right material, it could take only a few watts to start the fire.
Clearly, the odds of this are very very low, but they are probably actually about the same whether the car and the ABS is in use or is sitting there off.

 

[inmanlanier]

hmm... Corrosion is a slow deterioration that will enable trickle currents at first, then the current will increase over time. Certainly a slow-blow fuse will accommodate that. Are you saying this is corrosion in the circuit upstream of the fuse? Failure modes matter as to cause of events - is this documented somewhere?

 

[joegr]

hmm... Corrosion is a slow deterioration that will enable trickle currents at first, then the current will increase over time. Certainly a slow-blow fuse will accommodate that. Are you saying this is corrosion in the circuit upstream of the fuse? Failure modes matter as to cause of events - is this documented somewhere?

It's all speculation right now, but AFAIK, the suspect corrosion would be within the ABS module, which is after (downstream of) the fuse. The fuse is currently 40A, and it is speculated that it will be changed to 25A. That is still at least 300 watts available, which is still enough to start a fire. There must be something specific about the failure that leads them to believe that a 25A slow blow will prevent the failure from causing a fire.
If the problem were upstream of the fuse, then changing the fuse would never alter anything about it.

 

[carguy75]

Just be aware that those fuse holders were specified and designed for dozens of fuse remove/replace cycles, not hundreds. Do it often enough, and the holder will start failing to make good contact...

Good point. However, I am still more concerned about my garage catching on fire due to some random fire caused by improper fuses or whatever related fuse issue.

Therefore, i will just pull my fuses until May.

 

[carguy75]

hmm... Corrosion is a slow deterioration that will enable trickle currents at first, then the current will increase over time. Certainly a slow-blow fuse will accommodate that. Are you saying this is corrosion in the circuit upstream of the fuse? Failure modes matter as to cause of events - is this documented somewhere?

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCLRPT-21V160-1906.PDF

 

[DouginBama]

I just picked up my car today after it was serviced at the dealership. I asked about the recall when I brought it in. Hyundai has not issued a dealer fix as of yet. (according to the tech). He said they see the alert but have no directions for repair. I park outside anyway, so I'm not too concerned.

 

[Rocklyn]

https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/rcl/2021/RCLRPT-21V160-1906.PDF

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