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2012 3.8 Transmission Delay

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Greetings-

My Genesis is really starting to irritate me. The first time I brought home my car and my wife took it out, she came back and said:

"How come it doesn't go when you push the pedel down". The delay in this car is crazy. You have to half floor the peddle to get going and then it is too jerky.

Anyone else experiencing this delay? Is this something the dealer can re-program?

Thanks,

CLE
 
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Greetings-

My Genesis is really starting to irritate me. The first time I brought home my car and my wife took it out, she came back and said:

"How come it doesn't go when you push the pedel down". The delay in this car is crazy. You have to half floor the peddle to get going and then it is too jerky.

Anyone else experiencing this delay? Is this something the dealer can re-program?

Thanks,

CLE

From a dead stop or "rolling" stop? Or do you mean while at speed say on the highway?
 
I was always concerned about the rolling stops in my 09 v6. It would always jump gears and just was a horrible experience for me and my passengers.

I have not noticed it being as bad on the 12 v8 r spec. Although I believe its still a problem but not as bad.
 
I was always concerned about the rolling stops in my 09 v6. It would always jump gears and just was a horrible experience for me and my passengers.

I have not noticed it being as bad on the 12 v8 r spec. Although I believe its still a problem but not as bad.

Same thing on the 2009 4.6 V8. This is DANGEROUS!!!!!!!!
 
Same thing on the 2009 4.6 V8. This is DANGEROUS!!!!!!!!

i have nothing but praise for the ZF 6 speed. it is one of the smoothest trannies i have driven, on par with the Lexus ES 350's tranny.
sure, there are faster shifting trannies out there but they are not as smooth.
 
Greetings-

My Genesis is really starting to irritate me. The first time I brought home my car and my wife took it out, she came back and said:

"How come it doesn't go when you push the pedel down". The delay in this car is crazy. You have to half floor the peddle to get going and then it is too jerky.

Anyone else experiencing this delay? Is this something the dealer can re-program?

Thanks,

CLE

You need to explain to your wife that the Genny is a 'drive by wire' car; that is, your foot does NOT directly control the throttle via a cable to the throttle body flapper...rather, your foot CONTROLS the gas pedal only. It's set up with a spring so you get a SIMULATED feeling of MASHING down on the gas, demanding more power and higher RPMs. What your foot does is move the pedal's sensor that in turn tells the CPU you have demanded more RPMs. That in turn, has to be interpreted by the CPU and then sent to the engine, and then sent to the automatic tranny (which, by the way, is an 8 speed and is not a maze of hydraulic valves like the old school autos but electronically controlled and switched) and THEN it downshifts into the necessary range your foot has demanded. Hence the 'delay'...either from a dead stop, or that 'slight' delay when you mash the pedal to 'kick it down'..... it's just the nature of the beast now. :)

Here, let her read this...."drive by wire" or "electronic throttle control"...

It's essentially the same thing pilots have been using on wide body aircraft for years (fly by wire)....

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/car-driving-safety/safety-regulatory-devices/drive-by-wire.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_throttle_control

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drive_by_wire

http://www.picoauto.com/applications/electronic-throttle-control.html

The throttle cable has almost become redundant on today’s motor vehicle. The drive-by-wire system is by no means a new concept as it was introduced by BMW on their 7 series range back in 1988. The system BMW use is referred to as EML (German term for electronic throttle control). The system has now found its way onto other vehicles with humbler routes and can be found on base models. Historically a mechanical linkage between the accelerator pedal and the throttle butterfly has always existed, be it via a cable or via rods and linkages. These have now been replaced by sophisticated electronic control modules, sensors and actuators. This system is also referred to ‘Fly-by-Wire’.

There are several reasons why electronic throttle actuation is preferable to a conventional throttle cable:

The vehicle’s on board electronic systems are able to control all of the engine’s operation with the exception of the amount of incoming air.

The use of throttle actuation ensures that the engine only receives the correct amount of throttle opening for any give situation.... [Presumably we are too dumb to know THAT]

The optimisation of the air supply will also ensure that harmful exhaust emissions are kept to an absolute minimum and drivability is maintained, regardless of the circumstances. Coupling the electronic throttle actuation to the adaptive cruise control, traction control, idle speed control and vehicle stability control systems also means finer control can be achieved.
The use of such a system has advantages over the conventional cable version by:

*Eliminating the mechanical element of a throttle cable and substituting it with fast responding electronics, reduces the number of moving parts (and associated wear) and therefore requires minimum adjustment and maintenance.

*Greater accuracy of data improves the driveability of the vehicle, which in turn provides better response and economy... [I'd dispute the "better response' statment, though]

Unfortunately it's something the dealer won't 'program' your car to do... and I got a message back from these folks that testing for the 2012 Genesis 3.8V6 is not completed...yet:

http://www.sprintboostersales.com/sprint-booster.cfm?make=Hyundai
 
Quantum, great explanation.
All I'd add is that there is NO hesitation from a complete stop. Once the car is really in first, the response should be immediate (from my experience).
A rolling stop, no matter how close, will result in lag.
 
QuantomRift thanks for the information. I will be very interested if the Sprintboost company develops a device for the '12 3.8. Keep us posted if you find a fix.
 
Sprint Booster will work just find to quicken your throttle response, including transmission kick down. I know this from personal experience. First installed a Sprint Booster on my '09 4.6. It really changed the personality of the car. When I bought my '11 last December I first thought the throttle/transmission might be acceptable. Tried out the Sprint Booster from the '09 and was very pleased with the change.
Now, I have a 2012 R-Spec. Supposedly, Sprint Booster does not have an application. I am here to tell that the Sprint Booster not only fits, but does a nice job of quickening throttle response and transmission downshift.
I still had an extra accelerator pedal assembly from my 2009, which was totaled in a wreck. I carefully compared it with the pedal assembly from the 2012. They are absolutely identical. They are made by Hella, a German corporation.
The only bad news is the cost of the Sprint Booster at about $325
 
I just posted a comparison of my experience between the 2009 Genesis that I had for three years, and the 2012 I bought last month that now has 3000 miles. My only real complaint about the 2012 is the delay you mention in the new 8-speed transmission. I don't know about "drive-by-wire", but my 2009 did not have this kind of delay at all. When you are on the freeway and hit the gas to accelerate quickly, the 2012 takes a long time to respond and kick in. My impressions were validated when I read the following in a Car and Driver magazine review linked in this forum: “Eight speeds allow for a fine balance of economy and zest, but the transmission is slow. Up- and downshifts drag, and we were able to count off full seconds before getting what we wanted after stomping through the kickdown switch. All cars have a gate for manual actuation, but when the transmission takes longer to respond than an estranged fourth wife, it’s hard to care.” I've gotten used to it now, but I can fully corroborate your experience, and so can Car and Driver.
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Wow talk about a lot of written opinions about the Sprintbooster device. Google reviews for the item and there are literally hundreds of opinions about this thing both pro and con. If any of you have used this product please write in your opinion.
 
When I bought the Sprint Booster it came in two versions: auto transmission or manual transmission. It would appear then that the "Genesis Version" also fits the coupe, which can have a manual transmission.
I was advised by the tech at Sprint Booster to order the manual version as the auto version was too mild. I ordered the manual version and recommend it.
The Sprint Booster now comes as a "3 speed". Speed one is no change. Speed two and three are progressively more aggressive.
 
Yea as soon as I hear that Sprint is ready for the 2012 V6 I'll probably be getting one. Another thing is that the 'spring' on the pedal is much different than, say, on our 2004 Envoy. The gas pedal on the Envoy is much 'smoother' to operate than the Genny. On the Genny, it takes a lot more foot 'pressue' to get response and when it comes, I usually 'overshoot' the amount of 'oomph' I need....takes some getting use to. As for the explanation, I tend to be pretty verbose and probably add way too much info or more info than you'd want or need, but I found that if you are gonna talk about something, try to get all the facts... :D
 
On Rey's advice I just ordered one for my R-Spec, manual transmission type. I may be imagining this but I think my transmission's gear changing is quickening up a little.(?) Car has 1400 miles on it.
 
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