2012 5.0 Rspec motor blown

[S.Milone]

I was in and out of the dealer with this car since I got it. It was burning oil like crazy and I did several oil consumption tests every time it was 1.3 quarts low at 1000 miles. They had an excuse every time and made me do the test over and over. Each time forcing me to drive low on oil. Also I'm pretty positive they were using regular oil instead of synthetic like they should. Eventually I was away for business and my wife brought it in the claimed it only lost .3 quarts. I tried going to the next closest dealer but they didn't diagnose problems on the weekend. I watched the oil and I was adding a quart every few hundred miles. Then driving home from a long travel day from work the car juddered flashed the check engine light then shut off on me while I'm in cruise on the highway. No noise at all it was very odd. All the lights flashed like there was a short and it smelled of burnt electronics and a small cloud went buy me.
Called Hyundai assistance and got it towed in to the closest dealer at 130am. Two days later I find the motor went. They are still waiting to hear back from corporate.

I bought this with 24k it blew at 46k

I had an 09 and it didn't have a single issue. So far this one has had the Lane Departure replaced, the whole wiper assembly and electronics replaced, it needs the light switch replaced as the headlights turn off when putting the turn signal on, the drivers side windows switch needs replacing too as the windows will go down normally then the get stuck down, transmission has thrown codes and needed to be reprogrammed and now the motor popped.

I'll hear soon enough about the new motor.

 

[qstarweb]

Sounds like they need to replace it under warranty...

Clearly your Genesis had the oil consumption problem. Do you know what the build date on it is?

Dean

 

[S.Milone]

Yeah it's still under warranty I'm hoping they don't give me a hard time about replacing it. The dealer said they were waiting to hear back exactly how to proceed. They would be told weather they should replace the long block or a short block then they will start breaking it down. Personally I'd like new Cats and everything. They will definitely fail way sooner then they should. If I ever went full throttle it would dump a black cloud like a turned up diesel.

Yeah it definitely had the oil consumption issue. Last week I had to drive from Philadelphia to NH. I checked the oil before leaving and it was just above the low dot. Added a quart puts it just at the high dot. Drove to NH and was back Wedneaday after somewhere around 800 miles. I checked the oil before leaving on Thursday to go about two hours west in Pa and it needed another quart. On the way back home Thursday night it blew up.

I'm not positive of the build date off hand.

 

[Mark_888]

I'm not positive of the build date off hand.

Build date is on the sticker in the drivers door jamb.

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

That's strange. My '12 R Spec just blew the motor as well at 46K miles. No check engine lights. No low oil. Just a bunch of knocking from the valve train and the rods. It too as been using oil, about 1 1/2 Qts per 5K miles.

I wound up just trading mine in on a new '15 5.0.

 

[Mark_888]

All of these accounts of a 2012 5.0 V8 engine that started burning oil, or the engine blew up, are just coincidental and isolated anecdotal events according qstarweb.

You can read about his claims in this thread:
http://www.genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=18695

Probably, Crusty Old Shellback and S.Milone are fake users create by Mark_888 to deceive everyone into thinking there was something wrong with the 2012 5.0 V8 engine.

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

Come on Mark_88, you know I'm a fake user and never owned a genesis.

 

[S.Milone]

Build date is on the sticker in the drivers door jamb.

Thanks I am aware but as I travel for work and am currently in Florida and my cars blown up at a dealer in Pennsylvania I had no way of checking.

 

[S.Milone]

That's strange. My '12 R Spec just blew the motor as well at 46K miles. No check engine lights. No low oil. Just a bunch of knocking from the valve train and the rods. It too as been using oil, about 1 1/2 Qts per 5K miles.

I wound up just trading mine in on a new '15 5.0.

Yeah I read your post. I'll be getting rid of mine most likely before the warranty is up. I'm told this adds 20k miles to the warranty. I'm not sure what I'll get then. While the new Genesis is still a great value for the money I'm not as big of a fan of the styling. I'll have to do some research.

 

[qstarweb]

All of these accounts of a 2012 5.0 V8 engine that started burning oil, or the engine blew up, are just coincidental and isolated anecdotal events according qstarweb.

You can read about his claims in this thread:
http://www.genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=18695

Probably, Crusty Old Shellback and S.Milone are fake users create by Mark_888 to deceive everyone into thinking there was something wrong with the 2012 5.0 V8 engine.

Ridiculous mischaracterization of what I actually wrote, feel free to read the threat. I never said anything about anything being coincidental or isolated, a nd never denied the real issues. I stuck to issues without attacking other forum members, I wish others would do the same. Nor did I suggest anyone are "fake" users.

Dean

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[homeofstone]

Since the engine was an oil user and the car was purchased used by the OP it is possible that the original owner ran the car very low on oil several times and damaged internal parts of the engine which did not show up until it blew.

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

qstarweb,
Don't give mark any mind, most of us learned a long time ago to ignore most of what he says. I read some of that thread and see you've had a run in with him. He's always right, or at least in his mind.

S. Milone,
Check out the '15's. They are a big improvement over the 1st gen. So far, I like mine. And they are giving huge discounts on them right now to move them out. I don't think our issues is one that will be repeated a lot. You had issues from the start. Mine, well it never showed any issues, just ran low on oil and gave up the ghost. No warning of any kind.

And as has been stated in other threads, I believe the oil consumption issue has been taken care of in the 5.0.

 

[Mark_888]

qstarweb,
Don't give mark any mind, most of us learned a long time ago to ignore most of what he says. I read some of that thread and see you've had a run in with him. He's always right, or at least in his mind.

So you don't think you are always right?

I guess you are still pissed about this thread Crusty?
http://www.genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?p=174105#

I have made mistakes, and admitted them on multiple occasions. But no one is going to try and bamboozle me and other members of this forum that the failure rates of the 2012 5.0 V8 and the 2012 8-speed transmission are normal.

My advice in the other thread (to someone looking to by a used Genesis) was to avoid a 2012 model. Even though at some point during the model year, both those problems (engine and transmission) may have been fixed, I still think that is reasonable advice to give to a used car buyer.

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

Nope, unlike you, I've moved on.

As for the 5.0 and 8 Spd, I don't see a problem with them. There were some oil issues with the early 5.0 that were fixed. as for the 8 spd, I loved mine and never had an issue with it. Only "heard" of a few that did.

There were a lot of 5.0 and 8spd that were sold. This website only holds a few of those owners. So finding some issues on here doesn't really give a full view of the overall.

Now if you were to have access to the Hyundai data base and could pull up the actual numbers, That would be a different story. And apparently the percentage of issues is low enough that Hyundai has not done a recall on the motor or tranny to fix the "issue"

 

[Mark_888]

And apparently the percentage of issues is low enough that Hyundai has not done a recall on the motor or tranny to fix the "issue"

Official "recalls" are only for safety related issues. Even if every single engine eventually failed, if they failed after the warranty period, then Hyundai is not going to proactively fix them.

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

Official "recalls" are for more than safety. But there are "Official" safety recalls that are mandated by the Govt watch dogs, NHTSA.

 

[Mark_888]

Official "recalls" are for more than safety. But there are "Official" safety recalls that are mandated by the Govt watch dogs, NHTSA.

I don't think that is correct, at least not for Hyundai.

An "official" recall can be voluntary, or ordered by the NHTSA, but are always done in coordination with the NHTSA. They are safety related, since NHTSA does not get involved with non-safety issues. When a recall occurs, owners are required to be proactively notified (usually via mail) by HMA (Hyundai Motor America).

A Hyundai "service program" can involve things that are not safety related, and the NHTSA is not involved. Mandatory Hyundai service programs must be performed by a dealer for affected vehicles in stock (including used) or any time a customer brings a vehicle in for servicing. Owners are not required to be notified in advance by Hyundai.

Regular service programs (not mandatory) are usually only done when a customer complains about an issue, and there is known solution. Some dealers may do them even if the customer does not complain, such as an ECU update.

All Hyundai service programs, recalls, etc have Hyundai TSB (Technical Service Bulletins) for them, but a TSB can also be issued for mundane things like paint codes, or other technical information provided to dealer service departments that were not in (or not completely explained) in the original service documentation.

 

[qstarweb]

qstarweb,
Don't give mark any mind, most of us learned a long time ago to ignore most of what he says. I read some of that thread and see you've had a run in with him. He's always right, or at least in his mind.

S. Milone,
Check out the '15's. They are a big improvement over the 1st gen. So far, I like mine. And they are giving huge discounts on them right now to move them out. I don't think our issues is one that will be repeated a lot. You had issues from the start. Mine, well it never showed any issues, just ran low on oil and gave up the ghost. No warning of any kind.

And as has been stated in other threads, I believe the oil consumption issue has been taken care of in the 5.0.

Thanks. Maybe I should have learned that as well sooner.

But I am curious, now that you've been driving your 2015 Genesis a few weeks, what would you say are the areas of improvement you've noticed? Is the car more comfortable (seat and other factors) than the 2015? Are you see much if any difference in performance, because I understand the 2015 model is maybe 400-500 lbs heavier than the 1G Genesis?

Dean

 

[qstarweb]

I have made mistakes, and admitted them on multiple occasions. But no one is going to try and bamboozle me and other members of this forum that the failure rates of the 2012 5.0 V8 and the 2012 8-speed transmission are normal.

My advice in the other thread (to someone looking to by a used Genesis) was to avoid a 2012 model. Even though at some point during the model year, both those problems (engine and transmission) may have been fixed, I still think that is reasonable advice to give to a used car buyer.

No one is bamboozling anyone. Yes there are real problems with the 5.0 engine and 8-speed transmission on the earlier built Genesis models of the 2012 model year. But you are exaggerating the problem, without mentioning the issue of those built earlier vs later in the 2012 model year cycle, and without any hard empirical evidence of what percent of the cars had the problem, or even what percent of those built before a certain build date. In do so, you are, in my opinion, and yes that is opinion, giving prospective Genesis buyers bad advice. And less than accurate advice, given the true nature of the problem as we KNOW it.

The problem is real, but you make it sound much worse, with the opinions (which is what they are) you state here, in giving such advice.

Dean

 

[Mark_888]

No one is bamboozling anyone. Yes there are real problems with the 5.0 engine and 8-speed transmission on the earlier built Genesis models of the 2012 model year. But you are exaggerating the problem, without mentioning the issue of those built earlier vs later in the 2012 model year cycle, and without any hard empirical evidence of what percent of the cars had the problem, or even what percent of those built before a certain build date. In do so, you are, in my opinion, and yes that is opinion, giving prospective Genesis buyers bad advice. And less than accurate advice, given the true nature of the problem as we KNOW it.

The problem is real, but you make it sound much worse, with the opinions (which is what they are) you state here, in giving such advice.

Dean

I gave advice to a potential buyer of a used Genesis, who is unlikely to take into consideration all the fine points of the issue, such as exactly when during the 2012 model year the transmission was fixed. As far as I know, the exact date it was fixed on the assembly line has not been made public, or at least has not been posted on this forum.

Given that there are other choices of used Genesis models out there, I don't think I gave bad advice. You are certainly entitled to give your own advice, but without knowing the build date within the 2012 model year that it was fixed, I am not sure how valuable such advice is to a prospective buyer.

Keep in mind that a buyer of a used 2012 Genesis may have no or very little warranty left on the car, and such a person is probably least able to be able to afford a new transmission if their transmission went out (I have not seen anyone say that Hyundai repairs them, they only replace them).