2012 or 2013

[RonJ]

Even legitimate Hyundai dealers jerk you around. I've seen a number of cars advertised as Premium, yet when I look into the car, it has 17" wheels and no Nav System. That makes it a Base 3.8, not a Premium. Those I think are the two obvious differences between Base and Premium.

Is this just sloppy work on the part of the dealer or is it a "bait and switch" advertisement? I don't even email these guys for more info.

RonJ

 

[Mark_888]

Baloney. The seller of this car said it has a limited tech package, hardly a copywrited term. Check out the stickers on used cars at CarMax, for example. My Cabernet Red Pearl is called "red." A used car dealer is under no obligation to present an original new car window sticker. Go ahead and sue them.

Calling a Cabernet Red Pearl car red, is not the same as calling the Premium Package a Limited Tech Package. Open and shut case in small claims court against the seller if the seller was in the business of selling cars and if owner relied on the info and thought the was getting a Tech Package. But someone can only collect damages if they were actually damaged (if they purchased the car thinking it was a Tech Package based on seller statements). Can't win a lawsuit just on principle if buyer figured out the misstatement before purchasing.

 

[PMCErnie]

The simple words premium and tech are in the public domain, so best wishes winning any sort of lawsuit on that issue against a non-Hyundai dealer. Hyundai simply does not offer an option called a Limited Tech package.

Obviously, however, if a dealer represents that a car is equipped with specific features that it does not have, there is a basis for a lawsuit. In the specific Ottawa black Genesis ad we are discussing here, no such case could be proven based on the ad. Caveat emptor always applies when making any purchase. Buyers who do not do proper research and inspection will always get burned.

 

[Mark_888]

The simple words premium and tech are in the public domain, so best wishes winning any sort of lawsuit on that issue against a non-Hyundai dealer. Hyundai simply does not offer an option called a Limited Tech package.

Obviously, however, if a dealer represents that a car is equipped with specific features that it does not have, there is a basis for a lawsuit. In the specific Ottawa black Genesis ad we are discussing here, no such case could be proven based on the ad. Caveat emptor always applies when making any purchase. Buyers who do not do proper research and inspection will always get burned.

Actually, I missed the fact that it was in Canada. I don't know anything about Canadian laws so not sure my comments would apply there.

In the US, a seller who is in the business of selling cars (not an individual) has a much higher burden of proper representation of a product. But, there would have to be actual damages (car would need to have been purchased under false pretenses--the buyer must show he relied on the false statements of the seller when making the purchase).

Note that MN Tinter suggested that the word Limited was added to enhance the term Tech Package, not to diminish it to level of Premium, so his post above would probably be proof that he was misled. But if someone did not purchase the car, or purchased it after realizing it was only Premium Package, or seller allowed buyer to return the car for refund after finding out it was not as advertised, then a legal action would not be successful in that case.

As to the difference between listing specific features vs listing the trim level (Tech Package, or Limited Tech Package), and whether listing the trim level incorrectly is grounds for a potential lawsuit, I guess that is matter of opinion and we probably disagree on that one.

 

[PMCErnie]

Again, Hyundai does not offer a Limited Tech Package. Hyundai does offer Premium and Technology packages. Big difference in a court of law. "If the glove does not fit, you must acquit."

 

[Mark_888]

Again, Hyundai does not offer a Limited Tech Package. Hyundai does offer Premium and Technology packages. Big difference in a court of law. "If the glove does not fit, you must acquit."

If you try and put the gloves on while already wearing latex gloves (supposedly to not contaminate the evidence), the glove will never fit.

 

[int077]

Even legitimate Hyundai dealers jerk you around. I've seen a number of cars advertised as Premium, yet when I look into the car, it has 17" wheels and no Nav System. That makes it a Base 3.8, not a Premium. Those I think are the two obvious differences between Base and Premium.

Is this just sloppy work on the part of the dealer or is it a "bait and switch" advertisement? I don't even email these guys for more info.

RonJ

Just for your info, my car was advertise as Gen Tech but the description on Internet did not match, so I call the Manager to find out if it was really a Gen Tech. It was so I made an appointment to meet him and see the car, which I end up buying. I found a lot of description on Internet not quite reliable but other time they were OK.

 

[Mark_888]

Even legitimate Hyundai dealers jerk you around. I've seen a number of cars advertised as Premium, yet when I look into the car, it has 17" wheels and no Nav System. That makes it a Base 3.8, not a Premium.

At least for 2009 (don't recall for 2010) the Premium Package did not have Nav. In 2009, Premium was only a $2K upgrade over Base. But more recent versions of Premium do have Nav and I believe it is now about $4K upgrade over Base.

 

[zielritter]

honestly the biggest thing that's an improvement for the '13 is blue link and bluetooth streaming. If you won't use them, get the '12 (if you can).

In reality it's all what you want to get. If you want the tech, and you want a v8 without getting the R spec, there's a couple of options for '12 that went away in '13.

One last thing to chew on... the tech package has an improved (comparing my '13 to the '12 manual) head unit software/hardware, which includes a cleaner interface, all options available without 'engineering mode', more up to date maps, and bluetooth streaming baked in.

My base 2012 has bluetooth streaming. Wouldn't have got it if it didn't.

 

[chief1645]

Just picked up my 2013 Genny 3.8 , Black on Black, Tech & Navigation. Rebadged wheels, trunk, hood & airbag. Dealer installed all plus pin striping. Traded in my 2011 Genny 4.6. This is my 3rd Genny.

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[rmorgan56]

Chief, sorry to hijack the post (well, not really), but I'm reaching the end of lease on a 2011 4.6 and trying to decide whether to buy it out, or go with a '13; and if the '13, small or large engine. I'm generally happy with the '11, at 47k miles, and am not opposed to buying it out. However, I drove the 5.0 and felt like the acceleration and braking both were improved over the '11, and did like the computer interface a lot on the new model (bummed that they didn't uptick the passenger seat, though). Would you mind elaborating on your decision process? Also, not knowing your climate, do you know whether it's possible to use the snows on 17" rims on the '13 5.0? I fear not . . . Anyway, thanks for any thoughts.

 

[chief1645]

rmorgan,

The reason I returned my 11 Genny , it was a lease, due back in Nov. Hyundai offered me this deal: they would pay off my payments(3 months) plus pay 3 months if I would buy or lease a 13. I was going to wait till my lease ended & get a 14, which Ithought would have awd, by found out awd won't be available till 15. So, this deal was the best way to go, btw, the 11 I turned in had 14K miles, lol. I decided on the 6cyl instead of the 5.0 for better gas mileage plus this 13 has 333 hp, plenty of pickup. I just returned from Cincinnati, I put 1,200 miles on it, while doing 75, hit gas & was up to 95 in seconds. This13 is great.
As for snow tires for the 5.0, I don't know, I live in NYC, snow isn't too much of a big deal, it is usually gone Ina couple of days. Hope this helps in your decision.

 

[EXBMWGUY]

Also, not knowing your climate, do you know whether it's possible to use the snows on 17" rims on the '13 5.0? I fear not . . . Anyway, thanks for any thoughts.

17" wheels won't fit the 5.0 due to larger brakes. 18" dedicated rims should work well with a 235/50-18 winter tire.