2015 Hyundai Genesis 5.0 RWD upper and lower oil pan removal

[carguy75]

Today I removed my lower steel oil pan as part of the my lower timing cover install that requires the upper oil pan to be removed. The lower oil pan have to be removed to access (2) 10mm bolts holding the upper oil pan to the engine block. The lower oil pan is held by (15)10mm bolts and RTV sealant.

The hardest part of the job was breaking the RTV sealant bond holding the lower oil to the upper oil pan. I used a plastic wedge pry tool and rubber mallet to break the RTV seal.

Next, I will be removing the upper cast aluminum oil pan. To do this the front sub-fame will need to be removed first and the engine supported;in which I have already done. I used a set of 10000lb rated RV support lifting jack stands to hold my engine on the large engine support brackets located on the block. Works perfectly.

The lower oil pan removed using a plastic wedge pry tool and rubber mallet.

 

[carguy75]

I removed the upper oil pan. It is basically the same process as removing the lower oil pan , but with more bolts. The lower oil pan actually cover (4) 10mm bolts that holds the upper oil pan. The upper oil pan is held by (28)10mm pan bolts, (4)14mm transmission bell-housing bolts and RTV. Again the hardest part was breaking the RTV bond without damaging the cast aluminum oil pan itself.

Next step will be installing the replacement lower timing cover and then I will post installation of the oil pans in this thread.

The upper oil pan removed.

The hidden upper oil pan bolts under the lower oil pan. There are two 10mm bolts on each side under the lower oil pan.

The (4) 14mm transmission bell-housing bolts that has to be removed.

 

[GEE80]

I removed the upper oil pan. It is basically the same process as removing the lower oil pan , but with more bolts. The lower oil pan actually cover (4) 10mm bolts that holds the upper oil pan. The upper oil pan is held by (28)10mm pan bolts, (4)14mm transmission bell-housing bolts and RTV. Again the hardest part was breaking the RTV bond without damaging the cast aluminum oil pan itself.

Next step will be installing the replacement lower timing cover and then I will post installation of the oil pans in this thread.

The upper oil pan removed.

The hidden upper oil pan bolts under the lower oil pan. There are two 10mm bolts on each side under the lower oil pan.

The (4) 14mm transmission bell-housing bolts that has to be removed.
Curious, with 90k miles have you had an opportunity to look at your valves to see how much carbon build up they may or may not have? Assuming you do not have an oil catch can. Thanks

 

[skipgen]

It's super clean in there - hope mine is similar.

 

[carguy75]

It's super clean in there - hope mine is similar.

Thank you. The engine is very clean with no sludge or much varnish. The only good thing about having to tear this engine apart if actually getting a good look inside. I am now just working out how to apply the RTV and install the lower front timing cover without smearing the RTV everywhere.

I am doing some practice runs dry. I think i got it. I will clean up thing soon and start putting everything back together.

 

[skipgen]

Thank you. The engine is very clean with no sludge or much varnish. The only good thing about having to tear this engine apart if actually getting a good look inside. I am now just working out how to apply the RTV and install the lower front timing cover without smearing the RTV everywhere.

I am doing some practice runs dry. I think i got it. I will clean up thing soon and start putting everything back together.

Good Luck Man!

 

[carguy75]

Good Luck Man!

Thank you.

This level of auto repair is not for the novice shade tree mechanics for sure. Hell, I am bit over my head and I have been working on imports(mostly German makes) for over 20 years.

Applying RTV is the part of the job I hate the most.

 

[skipgen]

Thank you.

This level of auto repair is not for the novice shade tree mechanics for sure. Hell, I am bit over my head and I have been working on imports(mostly German makes) for over 20 years.

Applying RTV is the part of the job I hate the most.

I'd think that cleaning all the old RTV off wouldn't exactly be fun either....

 

[carguy75]

I'd think that cleaning all the old RTV off wouldn't exactly be fun either....

Old RTV actually comes right off with some gasket removing spray and a plastic razor blade tool. I hate applying RTV because you need to create a proper sized bead without any gaps and hopefully do not bump anything else while trying to place the part which could smear the RTV.

Hence my dread of applying it.

 

[carguy75]

I am in the process of removing the old RTV off the upper oil pan which is pretty easy going with a plastic razor and RTV removal spray. The tough part is removing the RTV off the 10mm bolt threads. The small grooves make it a real chore. The upper oil pan have over 20 bolts.

I ordered new OEM bolts and a bolt thread cleaning set. The bolt cleaning set is also good to use to clean the bolt holes; which seems like a must for this job. I could also use the kit to clean the bolts as well, but I just will use new bolts and apply RTV on them. The kit is mainly for cleaning the RTV out of the bolt holes in the block. However, if the OEM bolts are on backorder, then I would just use the kit to clean the old bolts.

The upper pan surface cleaned of RTV.

The upper oil pan bolts with the old RTV on them. I will just bypass the thread cleaning and just use new bolts and apply fresh RTV on them to minimize the chance of an leak. The RTV is very hard to remove on the small 10mm bolt threads.

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[carguy75]

I finally installed the upper oil pan. The garage is not as cold now; so I am now ready to get this repair done. Plus, I really hate dealing with RTV so I have been procrastinating .

I cleaned up the upper oil pan and applied a bead of RTV on it with a dab of RTV on the bolt threads.

The upper oil pan installed with the pan bolts lightly tightened. I am waiting an hour for the RTV to cure and flow and then I will torque the bolts to specs. Next will be the lower oil pan.

 

[carguy75]

I am now waiting on a new lower oil pan to arrive by mail. The lower oil pan is steel which has black protective paint. Well, the black paint is peeling off the pan when I clean of the old RTV. Therefore, the old pan will rust and possibly leak. A new lower oil pan only cost $70.

I could just apply the RTV and just dump the car, but I will probably keep the car a bit longer so I really do not want an leak or a leak to occur when I do try to sell it. Plus, I like to do repairs correctly that will last even if i do sell the car.

Heck, I could probably could just paint the peeling area with fresh black paint, but it must be oil resistant paint which i do not have or even want to mess with.

The lower oil pan cleaning and the peeling black paint that leaves unprotected bare steel. I decided to just buy a new lower pan and then apply RTV to it to avoid any leaks since bare steel can start to rust very quickly.

 

[carguy75]

My new lower oil pan arrived today. I am surprised to be honest that it was not back-ordered.

However, it arrived in a box with no protection like my lower timing cover. Luckily my lower oil pan did not get banged up like the timing cover during shipping. Next post will be the install.

My new lower oil pan. I am surprised that Hyundai includes the drain plug.

 

[skipgen]

My new lower oil pan arrived today. I am surprised to be honest that it was not back-ordered.

However, it arrived in a box with no protection like my lower timing cover. Luckily my lower oil pan did not get banged up like the timing cover during shipping. Next post will be the install.

My new lower oil pan. I am surprised that Hyundai includes the drain plug.

It's the small victories....

 

[carguy75]

It's the small victories....

Lately when it comes to Hyundai parts ordered online, it does come down to the little victories.

Either the part is on back order or they ship the part unprotected in a cardboard box that arrives banged up and have to be reordered again due to none(lower front timing) being available until the next year.

So yes, getting the lower oil pan shipped in a few days without it being dented is a major win for me with this Genesis.

 

[skipgen]

Lately when it comes to Hyundai parts ordered online, it does come down to the little victories.

Either the part is on back order or they ship the part unprotected in a cardboard box that arrives banged up and have to be reordered again due to none(lower front timing) being available until the next year.

So yes, getting the lower oil pan shipped in a few days without it being dented is a major win for me with this Genesis.

Even a Broken Clock is right twice a day.... At least the force was with you this time.

 

[carguy75]

Even a Broken Clock is right twice a day.... At least the force was with you this time.

True.

Hopefully, Hyundai will keep up the good work on part delivery and this project will finally be over. I am just waiting on some gaskets that I forgot to order to arrive by mail to finish up; which are the spark plug oil seals for the valve covers and oil cooler gasket.

 

[carguy75]

The lower oil pan install is complete.

As with the upper oil pan; I laid a bead of RTV down and lightly snugged down the bolts. I will wait an hour for the RTV to cure and then torque the lower oil pan bolts to spec. Next will be installing the front sub-frame and putting the car back together.