2022 Windshield - Bad News and Worse News

[BionicMan]

Members on the Hyundai Palasade forum are talking about class action lawsuits (good luck LOL) because it's incredibly common on those. Some got a crack on the way home for their initial purchase, and many more before their first 1000 miles. It was on the Palisade forum that I first read glass is getting thinner, making it structurally less durable. This one of several forums where this is common issues discussed : Windshield

Interesting, sounds like maybe a widespread Hyundai issue.

 

[jetrep]

It is exactly because there is no standard that they can make it thinner and save $$, and as you mention, it reduces vehicle weight which looks good on the vehicle economy standards.

When you have to buy a replacement windshield from them, do they make any profit off that? they may see it as having no down side because they profit either way.

The Palasade may have an aerodynamic flaw, I know I used to drive a service van 20 years ago that never went more than a few months without getting new chips and cracks.

I feel fortunate that when I needed a new windshield for my DH (2015 5.0) several months ago. They got it in 3 days because they were able to use aftermarket. It performed fine with the HUD & driving assist systems.

There are a lot of other brands suffering from this issue, just simple google searched are shocking how common this seems. I've been an avid car guy on the net for 25 years, this is a recent problem from my purview.

I have a hard time believing the windshields are being made thinner. This would lead to more road noise in the cabin would it not?

Further, making the windshield thinner won't necessarily make it more prone to chips and pits. Chips and pits are a function of hardness of the surface of the material. I suspect you make the glass an inch thick you'll see identical chips and pitting.

 

[EdP]

It is exactly because there is no standard that they can make it thinner and save $$, and as you mention, it reduces vehicle weight which looks good on the vehicle economy standards.

When you have to buy a replacement windshield from them, do they make any profit off that? they may see it as having no down side because they profit either way.

The Palasade may have an aerodynamic flaw, I know I used to drive a service van 20 years ago that never went more than a few months without getting new chips and cracks.

I feel fortunate that when I needed a new windshield for my DH (2015 5.0) several months ago. They got it in 3 days because they were able to use aftermarket. It performed fine with the HUD & driving assist systems.

There are a lot of other brands suffering from this issue, just simple google searched are shocking how common this seems. I've been an avid car guy on the net for 25 years, this is a recent problem from my purview.

I did find this:

Weight watchers. Shedding weight is a major problem, especially for the small and lower-end cars. Thinner glass can adversely affect sound insulation. Thick glass impacts on carmakers’ aims to improve fuel economy and meet emissions targets. Currently, safety issues dictate that most cars in the US have 5mm front and rear glass, whereas the dictum for the Japanese and European markets is for 4mm glass. Side windows made from tempered glass often have a thickness of just 3mm. Shaving off a millimetre of glass from each sidelight could save 3 – 4lb in vehicle weight.

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[Chad86tsi]

The palasade looks like it will be added to this class action:

2020 Kia Telluride Defective Windshield Investigation | Migliaccio & Rathod LLP

Migliaccio & Rathod LLP is investigating the 2020 Kia Telluride for defective windshields that may crack easily. Complaints left on the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration’s website and various Kia forums report windshields that easily crack after being hit by small pebbles, or for no...

classlawdc.com

 

[Chad86tsi]

The actual legal filing in court is here:

https://migliacciolawfirmpllc.sharepoint.com/MedStar%20Meal%20Break/Forms/AllItems.aspx?id=%2FMedStar%20Meal%20Break%2FHyundai%20Palisade%20Windshield%20Defect%2FDocket%2F%2837%29%20First%20Amended%20Complaint%2Epdf&parent=%2FMedStar%20Meal%20Break%2FHyundai%20Palisade%20Windshield%20Defect%2FDocket&p=true&ga=1

It cites defect in the glass (stress and poor manufacturing) as leading contributors, with some cracking even with no impact event - spontaneously.

 

[Abuschauffeur]

Windscreens with head-up display may be more susceptible to damage.

If you have an acadenic bent and endurance read this. It may give you a clue.
(It also shows why HUD screens are more expensive)

WO2016091435A1 - Laminated glass having reduced thickness for a head-up display (hud) - Google Patents

The invention relates to a laminated glass (10) for a head-up display having an upper edge (O) and a lower edge (U), at least comprising an outer pane (1) made of glass and an inner pane (2) made of glass, which are connected to one another via a thermoplastic intermediate layer (3), wherein the...

patents.google.com

The same paper in German because it is a German patent. (For those who like to be challenged in the German language.

https://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/23/f3/54/b4b83d1734390b/WO2016091435A1.pdf

In a nutshell, to avoid HUD image ghosting one of the laminated windscreen components, either glass or interlayer, has to be wedge shaped. And it looks like the glass is a little thinner as well.

P.S.
I have measured my 2020 G80 Sekurit windscreen with a special measuring device and it is a smidgen more than 5mm.
As all PVB interlayers measure 0.38mm this means the windscreen is made up of either of the following combinations:
2.5 x 2.5 x 0.38 or 3.0 x 2.0 x 0.38 with the 2mm facing to the inside. I think the extra above the 5mm accounts for the interlayer. (My device cannot read individual glass sheets in the laminate)

I know Staint Gobain Sekurit favours the latter combination as they prefer a thinner inner sheet as it produces lighter shards flying off in case of heavy impact, as well normal commercial float glass is produced in this thickness range.

 

[internetterry]

Read my actual post, "3 chips in three separate incidences over just a 30 mile span on 3 different roads." This wasn't an isolated incident, I had 3 chips on 3 separate roads within a 30 mile span from tiny debris, which forms a clear pattern. I've had MUCH larger and harder objects hit my Ford windshield, Subaru windshield, Kia windshield, Honda windshield, Toyota windshield, and Infiniti windshield with absolutely zero damage. (including 1/4" hail at 45 mph) The glass on the 2022 G70 is very fragile, this is a documented fact, not a hypothesis . . . although it's pretty comical to hear commentary from someone in Nevada that experiences neither hail, nor cinders, nor rock salt while driving. *facepalm*

FYI - this just happened to my 2022 G70 Prestige, and I have to agree with you. NEVER had an issue, yet I have had various impacts. This one, while it seems more minor, at least to me, ended with a two foot long crack and a $2,600 estimate from the dealer. The glass is ~$1,200, so I'll get to the bottom of how inflated the rest of the quote is, but I do relate to your comment...

 

[jaxsully]

It is quite interesting this topic is. I have owned 3 Genesis 2018 G80, 2020 G70 and a 2022 G70 Launch Edition. Coincidence - bad luck who knows but in the first 6k miles the 2022 had small rock hit it and cracked the windshield. I had zero issues in the previous 2 cars and took many rocks to the windows. Safelite said it was too close to the upper sensors near the rearview mirror and the full window needed replaced.

My experience also is that the 2022 G70 is not in the SafeLite system - they had to take the VIN and send it off to parts. My windshield was in stock in south Florida somewhere but still took 3 weeks to make it to North Florida.

Just sharing my experience.

 

[G-201310]

A rock hit my 2022 G70 windshield with less than 1k miles and put a crack eye level on the drivers side. Got an OEM installed 3 days later. I was passing a truck hauling gravel. I now drive a bit more strategically to avoid trucks and keep distance from others.

 

[PdxBodyWorx]

I've never had a cracked or chipped windshield in well over 20 years on the road, but the windshield on my 2022 G70 picked up 3 chips in three separate incidences over just a 30 mile span on 3 different roads. Each time, it was either just a small stone or piece of rock salt, but when I got home I had 3 defined chips. I called SafeLite, got the repair scheduled, and then looked at the car an hour later only to find that one of them had exploded into a 12" long crack just sitting in the garage where the ambient temperature was within 3 degrees of outside.

I ended up calling SafeLite back and they said no repair could be done and it needed a whole new windshield. To add insult to injury, the vehicle is so new that the glass had to be imported and there was no 3rd party replacement available . . . SIX WEEKS for a new windshield!

I ended up carefully putting packaging tape over the crack, then using Rain-X over the tape to make it nearly invisible, and the crack amazingly didn't expand over those 6 weeks. My takeaway is that we need to be VERY careful with following distance, as the windshield glass is extremely fragile and isn't easily replaced. (at least not at this time) Fortunately, my comprehensive deductible is $0, so insurance took care of it, but the replacement ran them $1,600. I have the Sport Prestige, so recalibrating the HUD and sensors drove up that price. Be careful with that glass, guys!

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[JCtx]

I'm actually a bit surprised my windshield didn't get busted yesterday. Or maybe my expectation was that it'd crack with anything (ha ha), but fortunately, it didn't. The rock that hit it was big enough that I wouldn't have been surprised if it did crack it. Then another TWO freaking trucks throwing crap all over the highway. Just inspected the car, and only a very small chip on the windshield that doesn't require any attention. My car might have paint damage after I wash it, but at least nothing bad, for what I can tell. Super frustrating you can't even do ONE trip without car damage, at least around here. Roads are absolute crap around here (TX). Not even 1K miles yet, but I'm sure when I get back, it'll have damage; the only question is how many chips, since I have still to travel hundreds of miles on I-10 on the way back.

 

[Volfy]

This thread reminds of a VW Jetta driver that got all pissed off when his car (following too close behind me IMO) got overspray from me washing my windshield and rear glass. He chased me into a shopping center parking lot and asked angrily why I was running my wipers and spray on a clear sunny day and getting his freshly washed car all dirty.

I told him he should calm down, go home, and park his Jetta right back in his garage. Then it'll stay clean and won't get dirty.

He barked back at me: "Don't f***ing tell me what to do! I can go anywhere and do whatever I want!"

To which I replied: "Precisely."

 

[G-531443]

I'm sorry that you fellas are buttsore over the fact that the windshield is quite fragile on the 2022 G70, but my experience did in fact happen, and the proof is in the pudding as they say. Believe me or don't believe me, I could frankly care less. More than likely, you'll land up in the same position I was in, although I guess that won't bother jetrep, as he's used to driving beat up vehicles. Oh, and here's a fun tip, if you don't tailgate, you won't be constantly pelted by rocks.

Well I just purchased a new 2023 GV80 and driving home on the highway from the dealer a stone popped from the road. And I was NOT tailgating. The stone hit my hew windshield and a star is born. I could NOT believe my eyes less than 100 miles on my new car and a windshield repair. I have driven many cars over my 45 years on the road and never has this occurred. It is not driver error it is windshield material issue. The dealer gave me a disclaimer I thought odd. If you get a chip repair it immediately as it will become a crack and these are very expensive windshields. I am just sick. Over $70k and windshield issues

 

[JCtx]

I think every manufacturer is trying to save money by doing thinner and thinner windshields, as everybody complains of easier cracks. I live in the dusty and windy desert southwest, where there's crap on the roads everywhere. It's immediately obvious when you're approaching a freaking semi, even on the other lane (depending where the wind is blowing), hearing crap hitting your windshield with every one of those damn things, and there are HUNDREDS to pass on a 600-mile trip. It's sickening. I didn't get a broken windshield on our first (and probably last) long trip, now with 1,800 miles, but windshield is already pitted some, when the sun hits it at a certain angle. And already have several rock chips as well, which I need to touch-up when the mud guards and touch-up paint finally arrive. What I did is to add $0 glass coverage to my insurance, to lessen the blow when I inevitably need a new windshield.

 

[ejguillot]

Hey, in Florida $0 deductible windshield glass replacement (when you have collision/comprehensive coverage) is state law. And I had to have my G70 windshield replaced once (with OEM glass, and not by Safelite.)

 

[jnewell]

I've never had a cracked or chipped windshield in well over 20 years on the road, but the windshield on my 2022 G70 picked up 3 chips in three separate incidences over just a 30 mile span on 3 different roads. Each time, it was either just a small stone or piece of rock salt, but when I got home I had 3 defined chips. I called SafeLite, got the repair scheduled, and then looked at the car an hour later only to find that one of them had exploded into a 12" long crack just sitting in the garage where the ambient temperature was within 3 degrees of outside.

I ended up calling SafeLite back and they said no repair could be done and it needed a whole new windshield. To add insult to injury, the vehicle is so new that the glass had to be imported and there was no 3rd party replacement available . . . SIX WEEKS for a new windshield!

I ended up carefully putting packaging tape over the crack, then using Rain-X over the tape to make it nearly invisible, and the crack amazingly didn't expand over those 6 weeks. My takeaway is that we need to be VERY careful with following distance, as the windshield glass is extremely fragile and isn't easily replaced. (at least not at this time) Fortunately, my comprehensive deductible is $0, so insurance took care of it, but the replacement ran them $1,600. I have the Sport Prestige, so recalibrating the HUD and sensors drove up that price. Be careful with that glass, guys!

My take away is, this is a defective product. I have a new 2023 Genesis GV80, 700 miles, purchase 9/5 no rocks, no chips, no trucks or other vehicles and I have an indentation the size of a golf ball with 8 cracks up to 33 inches in length , this is a product defect. A friend of my wife has a 2022 GV80 three chips that then exploded the width of the windshield in one year. There are no following distance issues. This is nothing more than a product defect with a Hydunai Genesis Coverup. Did you see the New JD Powers Rating on Genesis GV80 ?

 

[LeviBlack]

Will you two GROWN ADULTS act like adults. This is why I hate even coming on here sometimes.

 

[RIP]

I'm having issues with the windshield on my month old 2023 G70. I've noticed literally tens of thousand of tiny scratches on the windshield. I wash my car with only Chemical Guys products (including their wash mitt and microfiber drying towels). I have had many cars over the years and have never seen anything like this. I took it to the dealer today and the service dept (Hyundai dealership, not a Genesis standalone) and they blamed me for it and said there's nothing they can do.

Has anyone else experienced anything like this? As I said I've been washing my own cars for 25 years and have never come across anything like this.

 

[LeviBlack]

I'm having issues with the windshield on my month old 2023 G70. I've noticed literally tens of thousand of tiny scratches on the windshield. I wash my car with only Chemical Guys products (including their wash mitt and microfiber drying towels). I have had many cars over the years and have never seen anything like this. I took it to the dealer today and the service dept (Hyundai dealership, not a Genesis standalone) and they blamed me for it and said there's nothing they can do.

Has anyone else experienced anything like this? As I said I've been washing my own cars for 25 years and have never come across anything like this.

Where is photos?

 

[JCtx]

I noticed that too, but on several vehicles (all 3 Hyundai ones, though-'21 Palisade and '22 Santa Fe, both Calligraphy), and only in certain lighting, and at the right angle. But they're not visible while driving, so not a big deal to me. Probaby a mediocre polishing job, not changing the pad frequently enough.