2023 Brembo Factory Pads Question

[CobraBob]

Sure hope that means Genesis finally wised up and changed out the pad compound in later model years.

I really don't know. The Euro-spec pads are what most would love to see. I would think that Genesis WOULD have changed the pad compound as a result of the many complaints they've received. But, who knows. With my old 2019 G70, the dealer thought the (new) rotors were warped due to incorrect lug nut torquing, but turning the rotors did nothing. It was very frustrating until I finally found out about the pad compound issue. By then, I was ready to swap the G70 for a GV70. That didn't fare well for me, so I'm back into a G70. LOL.

 

[dnlnnhs]

So, if I am reading this right, I am not the only one with brake issues with my G70 (2019)? The dealer replaced the rotors under warranty a little less than two years ago - and I've only put 8k miles since then (only 20k total miles after nearly 5 years). Now the brakes have a definite pulsation again! But, it seems to get worse the longer I drive it (longer trips). Short trips it is barely an issue. Is this the rotors again? Or, a symptom of the pads? Or, something else? Dealer now wants $150 just to take a look, and can't (or won't) tell me the rotors are under any kind of warranty.

As an update, had the G70 into the dealer for a recall repair, asked them to look at the brakes. They confirmed the rotors are warped again. So, the bumper-to-bumper warranty should kick in, right? No! The original rotors were replaced at 9,000 miles with only 34 months of ownership. The Genesis replacement rotors only have 12 month, 12,000 mile warranty. Any part replaced under warranty, say just one month into ownership, now is only wanted for 12 months, 12,000 miles. Not happy.

 

[joegr]

As an update, had the G70 into the dealer for a recall repair, asked them to look at the brakes. They confirmed the rotors are warped again. So, the bumper-to-bumper warranty should kick in, right? No! The original rotors were replaced at 9,000 miles with only 34 months of ownership. The Genesis replacement rotors only have 12 month, 12,000 mile warranty. Any part replaced under warranty, say just one month into ownership, now is only wanted for 12 months, 12,000 miles. Not happy.

I'm pretty sure that you read the fine print of your bumper-to-bumper warranty you would see that the original brake rotors were only covered for 12K miles.

 

[Husky]

As an update, had the G70 into the dealer for a recall repair, asked them to look at the brakes. They confirmed the rotors are warped again. So, the bumper-to-bumper warranty should kick in, right? No! The original rotors were replaced at 9,000 miles with only 34 months of ownership. The Genesis replacement rotors only have 12 month, 12,000 mile warranty. Any part replaced under warranty, say just one month into ownership, now is only wanted for 12 months, 12,000 miles. Not happy.

As discussed earlier in this thread (and half a dozen others), it's not the rotors being warped, it's the pads leaving deposits on the rotors (which can be fixed without rotor replacement). The dealers are either incompetent or just pretending to be so. They will just keep blaming it on the rotors because they can't admit that the factory pads are the actual problem.
Get yourself some proper pads.

 

[Iggy]

Another vote for EBC Red. Been running them since March of last year without a single problem. Decent performance with very low dusting.

 

[ICEGenesis70]

Don't waste money on OEM pads. I believe the Dynamic edition pads are the same Euro Sport pads that came with our 2021 G70 6MT. While they are excellent pads for everyday driving on up to an occasionally track day, there are lots of less expensive aftermarket pads that are just as good, if not better.

I myself am partial to EBC and have run both their Yellowstuff and Bluestuff. The OEM Eurosport is somewhere in that range, probably closer to the Yellowstuff. One thing I like about the EBCs is that they are organic compounds that have high friction coefficient from cold. Plus they are gentler on rotors and don't chew them up like semi-metallics do. The industry in general is moving away from metallic content in brake pads. Copper, for example, can be toxic to aquatic life. Good brake pads aren't cheap, but they are still very reasonable compared to what folks spend on performance tires.

I also prefer to buy pads from big name mfrs that actually do the R&D and mfg of their own brake pads. They typically are able to provide exact specs/characteristics of each of their pad compounds, we well as specific instructions on seating and bedding in of their products. 3rd party resellers that simply slap their private label on generic pads most often don't offer much, other than a bunch of superlatives on how good their wares are supposedly.

Hi Volfy: Thanks for the post. I have a 2023 Sport Prestige 3.3 T with about 12,300 miles on it. Most of my driving is in the mountain roads outside LA. I have not had any braking issues until yesterday when I did a drive, and noticed some juddering/vibration under moderate braking in corners. So, I guess I will eventually be switching to upgraded pads at first, then maybe rotors later. I do not have any plans to track or autocross the car, but don't mind exceeding street capability if I can avoid vibration and warping issues. Where would be a good place to order EBC pads from, and what aftermarker rotors would you recommend if I am going to upgrade. Thanks again for all your help. Also, will cleaning the dust off the pads and rotors that I have now make the vibration I'm feeling now go away?

 

[blnewto]

Hi Volfy: Thanks for the post. I have a 2023 Sport Prestige 3.3 T with about 12,300 miles on it. Most of my driving is in the mountain roads outside LA. I have not had any braking issues until yesterday when I did a drive, and noticed some juddering/vibration under moderate braking in corners. So, I guess I will eventually be switching to upgraded pads at first, then maybe rotors later. I do not have any plans to track or autocross the car, but don't mind exceeding street capability if I can avoid vibration and warping issues. Where would be a good place to order EBC pads from, and what aftermarker rotors would you recommend if I am going to upgrade. Thanks again for all your help. Also, will cleaning the dust off the pads and rotors that I have now make the vibration I'm feeling now go away?

I went with Dynamic Friction series 5000 low metallic pads, they've been great thus far. I cleaned up the rotors w/ some 3m scotchbrite pads then did a regular bed-in even though there was not specific bed-in req'd. I prefer to do it regardless just to get a good initial even pad deposit on the rotors. The low metallic pads will wear the rotor a bit faster than a ceramic, but the improved bite is worth it and they do dust a bit more than the oem pads, but the braking performance is improved and no brake judder either. When the time comes for new rotors I will go EBC slotted, never drilled though. EBC makes a quality product w/ pads & rotors, can't go wrong with that brand IME.
Here's the link to the pads if you're interested (crazy deal on the front set right now fwiw)

Amazon.com

Amazon.com

 

[ICEGenesis70]

I went with Dynamic Friction series 5000 low metallic pads, they've been great thus far. I cleaned up the rotors w/ some 3m scotchbrite pads then did a regular bed-in even though there was not specific bed-in req'd. I prefer to do it regardless just to get a good initial even pad deposit on the rotors. The low metallic pads will wear the rotor a bit faster than a ceramic, but the improved bite is worth it and they do dust a bit more than the oem pads, but the braking performance is improved and no brake judder either. When the time comes for new rotors I will go EBC slotted, never drilled though. EBC makes a quality product w/ pads & rotors, can't go wrong with that brand IME.
Here's the link to the pads if you're interested (crazy deal on the front set right now fwiw)

Amazon.com

Amazon.com

Thank you!

 

[Volfy]

Hi Volfy: Thanks for the post. I have a 2023 Sport Prestige 3.3 T with about 12,300 miles on it. Most of my driving is in the mountain roads outside LA. I have not had any braking issues until yesterday when I did a drive, and noticed some juddering/vibration under moderate braking in corners. So, I guess I will eventually be switching to upgraded pads at first, then maybe rotors later. I do not have any plans to track or autocross the car, but don't mind exceeding street capability if I can avoid vibration and warping issues. Where would be a good place to order EBC pads from

I usually start by finding the mfr part number(s) and then do a google search on them. Prices can vary quite a lot and they fluctuate from time to time. My last two sets of EBC Yellowstuff were from Amazon, since they happen to have good prices at the time, but I've bought from other sellers too.

what aftermarker rotors would you recommend if I am going to upgrade.

I am not a fan of drilled and/or slotted rotors. Any machining on the rotors compromises structural integrity and will induce thermal gradients, which will invariably lead to stress fractures. Unlike back when brakes pads used to off-gas, drilled/slotted rotors don't add much performance benefits these days. Still, folks have grown accustomed to liking them for the racy looks. Nothing wrong with that, if that's why you might want them. For typical street applications, they won't get stressed/hot enough to cause thermal cracks for the likely duration of their service life.

I personally prefer solid vented rotors. The OEM rotors are made by Brembo and of excellent quality. If I were to "upgrade", the first path would be directional rotors, with internal vanes are that optimized for air flow for either LEFT or RIGHT side rotation, so they are always sold in a matched set. These typically don't cost a whole lot more compared to OEM rotors. From there, the next upgrade will start to get a lot more expensive... and that is two-piece rotor. For street applications, those are a bit extravagant, but some folks don't mind spending the $$$. IMO, it's still money better spent than on spoilers that don't spoil, splitters that don't split and diffusers that don't diffuse. But that's just my own $0.02. Everyone has their own cost vs. benefit calculus.

will cleaning the dust off the pads and rotors that I have now make the vibration I'm feeling now go away?

If you are talking about the brake pad material deposits on the rotor... yes, cleaning them off do tend to reduce the pulsation when braking at speed. How long that lasts and whether it is worth the effort or not are a whole 'nother matter. Unless you change out the pads, they are just going to leave deposits over time again. It's not my place to tell you what your time and money are worth.

 

[blnewto]

I usually start by finding the mfr part number(s) and then do a google search on them. Prices can vary quite a lot and they fluctuate from time to time. My last two sets of EBC Yellowstuff were from Amazon, since they happen to have good prices at the time, but I've bought from other sellers too.

I am not a fan of drilled and/or slotted rotors. Any machining on the rotors compromises structural integrity and will induce thermal gradients, which will invariably lead to stress fractures. Unlike back when brakes pads used to off-gas, drilled/slotted rotors don't add much performance benefits these days. Still, folks have grown accustomed to liking them for the racy looks. Nothing wrong with that, if that's why you might want them. For typical street applications, they won't get stressed/hot enough to cause thermal cracks for the likely duration of their service life.

I personally prefer solid vented rotors. The OEM rotors are made by Brembo and of excellent quality. If I were to "upgrade", the first path would be directional rotors, with internal vanes are that optimized for air flow for either LEFT or RIGHT side rotation, so they are always sold in a matched set. These typically don't cost a whole lot more compared to OEM rotors. From there, the next upgrade will start to get a lot more expensive... and that is two-piece rotor. For street applications, those are a bit extravagant, but some folks don't mind spending the $$$. IMO, it's still money better spent than on spoilers that don't spoil, splitters that don't split and diffusers that don't diffuse. But that's just my own $0.02. Everyone has their own cost vs. benefit calculus.

If you are talking about the brake pad material deposits on the rotor... yes, cleaning them off do tend to reduce the pulsation when braking at speed. How long that lasts and whether it is worth the effort or not are a whole 'nother matter. Unless you change out the pads, they are just going to leave deposits over time again. It's not my place to tell you what your time and money are worth.

Good info as always, and depending on how & what you hit with a splitter, it may split just fine

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[CobraBob]

Well, I previously reported that my 2023 3.3T G70 had no brake vibration issues, unlike my previous 2019 3.3T G70. I started to notice brake vibration on my 2023 about 5 months ago. My mileage now is right around 6,500. I put it under cover yesterday for the winter months, and in early April I intend to have my Genesis dealer replace the pads. This thread gives me some good brake pad recommendations, and my dealer is researching the issue to help me pick the best option. Just wanted to post an update. So it is obvious that at least through the 2024 MY, Genesis has not fixed the brake vibration issue on 3.3T Sport Prestige models (with Brembo brakes).

 

[orange260z]

Hey all, this summer I started to notice the dreaded brake pulsation on my '23 3.3 SP AWD (purchased new November 2023), at about 12,000kms of relatively easy but city driving. The front rotors were changed last week under warranty due to the low mileage, they said the rears were fine. The vibration seems to be gone.

At the recommendation of others on this board, Stinger forums, and G70 Reddit I've purchased the DFC5000 pads front and rear. Note that DFC appears to only sell the 1551 ceramic pads now, not the 1551 "low-metallic" pads @blnewto has used. I've also purchased the new hardware kits.

Do I need any special tools to retract the pistons and install the new pads? Are there any potential hiccups/tricks I should be aware of (for example, the 997.2 brakes have these dampers that fit into and get stuck inside the pistons, turning an otherwise easy job into an ordeal)?

The pads don't include any bedding instructions like others have in the past... should I do the standard bedding process (i.e. multiple braking from 100km/h down to 20, then a cooling off drive without brake and parking for the night?? I want to do this in the next few days while I still have the summer tires, I'd prefer not to abuse my winters with all the hard braking in moderate temps.

thanks all

 

[blnewto]

Check your part #s, I think the only 5000 pads I see on rockauto are the low metallics.
Front 1552214500
Rear 1552214400
I did a 5 cycle bed-in, been smooth for 15k miles now.
Might check the company page for part #s

https://www.dynamicfriction.com/search?year=2021&make=aEtGN013PT0=&model=aDZWNVB0VT0=&SubModel=aEtaNw==&EngineBase=aDZKOE9jMHRrMzJC&ProductItem=37,38,39,67,68,69,1,34,12,8

 

[orange260z]

I’m not seeing what you are - I see only 1551 2145/2144 and they say “ceramic” on RockAuto, DFC, and on my box!


EDIT: just realized that you are look at a 2021, I'm looking at 2023... and the part numbers are different!

 

[blnewto]

Interesting, the pads fit all the Brembo G70 years, odd. But those should be decent pads, probably last longer, dust less, and a bit less bite. With a mild bed-in they should perform well.

 

[blnewto]

I’m not seeing what you are - I see only 1551 2145/2144 and they say “ceramic” on RockAuto, DFC, and on my box!

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EDIT: just realized that you are look at a 2021, I'm looking at 2023... and the part numbers are different!

Just checked on Dynamic Friction site too. Crazy they have different pads for the 22+ years, the calipers and rotors are the exact same!!!

 

[orange260z]

Well, based on the friction codes the both F&R are one step higher than stock in initial bite, and the fronts are one step higher in hotter ranges (the rears are same as stock in hot). I'm hoping that they provide a better experience than the Posi-Quiets I tried ~12 years ago on my BMW ZHP... they were noticeably less bite than stock, I felt like I couldn't stop... I took them off and put SM back on. I generally run relatively high metallic pads on all my cars, just have to deal with all the dust.

 

[blnewto]

I'm fairly certain they'll be an upgrade from oem. Dynamic friction even lists the 6000 pads (euro sets) the same part # for all Brembo G70s. So bizarre that the 5000 pads are different from 22 up.

 

[orange260z]

So I installed the new DFC 5000 (part #s 1551 2145/2144) about 10 days ago, and so far I'm pretty happy with them. Hardest part of the switch was hammering the new pins back into the calipers, unfortunately I chipped the back of my calipers a bit. I drove on them gently for a day or so, then went and did a series of increasingly aggressive stops followed by a cooling-off drive. All pulsations are gone, and the pad feel/initial bite is excellent. I haven't tried any aggressive braking (since the bedding) but overall a positive experience so far.

 

[blnewto]

So I installed the new DFC 5000 (part #s 1551 2145/2144) about 10 days ago, and so far I'm pretty happy with them. Hardest part of the switch was hammering the new pins back into the calipers, unfortunately I chipped the back of my calipers a bit. I drove on them gently for a day or so, then went and did a series of increasingly aggressive stops followed by a cooling-off drive. All pulsations are gone, and the pad feel/initial bite is excellent. I haven't tried any aggressive braking (since the bedding) but overall a positive experience so far.

Sounds good Hopefully they'll do a nice job for you!