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22 G70 / Stinger AWD Lowering Spring Install Review / Video

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With multiple brands of lowering springs being on backorder for our cars - Eibach, M&S, Ark GT-F, and more, I wasn't left with many options. I kept seeing Ark GT-S springs however. Why has no one bought these? Is it because one guy got the GT-F springs, wrote a review, and everyone else played it safe and also went with GT-F for a conservative drop? Anyway, I decided to go with the Ark GT-S because they were available, drops the car pretty much perfectly (1 finger gap between front and rear), and was $320. I'm happy to say I have no regrets, the drop is SLIGHTLY more aggressive than the GT-F. I see some say they wish their GT-F was a tad lower in the front - that's what the GT-S is. It's probably as close to it gets as the Eibach springs. I can barely tell a difference from stock ride either. I expected it to be a little rough but even on concrete roads, it feels nearly identical. Here's an overview of my 22 G70 AWD install. Let me know what you guys think.

 
Hey, how are you liking the GT- S springs after riding in them for a couple months. I have an AWD as well.
 
I chose Eibach because they have a kit specific for the 2.0T RWD. H&R also has a version for the lighter weight chassis, but their official USA distributor, for some odd reason, chose not to import that kit. I'd have to buy from either an off-shore vendor or some independent importer (ebay, etc.).

FWIW, I'm not particularly on the brand. For anti-roll bars, I went with Whiteline.
 
Hey, how are you liking the GT- S springs after riding in them for a couple months. I have an AWD as well.
Honestly they're great. Ride firmer and lower, but still maintained a sense of luxury level softness.
 
I chose Eibach because they have a kit specific for the 2.0T RWD. H&R also has a version for the lighter weight chassis, but their official USA distributor, for some odd reason, chose not to import that kit. I'd have to buy from either an off-shore vendor or some independent importer (ebay, etc.).

FWIW, I'm not particularly on the brand. For anti-roll bars, I went with Whiteline
Have you noticed a decent reduction in body roll with the new bars? I measured my OEM bars as 22mm Front and 16mm Rear. It looks like the Whiteline bars are 2mm larger diameter. That doesn't sound like much but I believe the torsional stiffness (all other things remaining the same) varies with the Diameter^4. If that's the case, they should be about 42% stiffer in the front and 60% stiffer in the rear. Sounds decent.
I guess it's hard to tell for sure what the bars did if the springs are also stiffer. Did you notice if the Eibach spring wire diameter is larger than stock, or are they just shorter?
 
Have you noticed a decent reduction in body roll with the new bars? I measured my OEM bars as 22mm Front and 16mm Rear. It looks like the Whiteline bars are 2mm larger diameter. That doesn't sound like much but I believe the torsional stiffness (all other things remaining the same) varies with the Diameter^4. If that's the case, they should be about 42% stiffer in the front and 60% stiffer in the rear. Sounds decent.
I guess it's hard to tell for sure what the bars did if the springs are also stiffer. Did you notice if the Eibach spring wire diameter is larger than stock, or are they just shorter?
Reduction in body roll is such a given, I didn't think it was worth mentioning. :)

You're correct that, since I installed both lowering springs and anti-roll bars at the same time, it would be more difficult to tell to what degree each influences handling. Normally, I prefer to do one mod at a time, then evaluate, before commencing on the next mod I deem necessary. That said, I've done enough of these, to the point where I'm confident with doing both mods at the same time, and still being able to discern the nuances of each.

First off, I knew I wasn't changing shocks, because no aftermarket upgrades were available unless I go to coilovers. This means it's best to keep the lowering amount moderate. I found the Eibach Pro-Kit springs were a good match for what I want. Technically speaking, my first suspension mod was actually reducing Mus (unsprung weight, mostly the wheel+tire) by going to the 18x8.5 Enkei TFR wheels. Hyundai/Kia engineers matched Ks (coil spring constant) and Cs (damping profile) to both the Mus and Kt (tire spring constant). They went with a Cs that is relatively soft, because kt is relatively stiff (low profile 19" tires).

My reducing both Mus and kt actually made Cs relatively higher/stiffer in my new schema. Less unspring mass requires less damping force to control its movement. This is good, such that I was not as miffed about not being able to upgrade the dampers. The only part left was to stiffen ks to complete the suspension mod. This is where the lowering/stiffer springs and anti-roll bars come it.

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Most folks understand the basics of what each of these do, as their namesakes hint at their functions. However, what they actually influence is far more nuanced and a bit more difficult to grasp:

1. Lowering/stiffer spring and anti-roll bars both add ks to the suspension system. Anti-roll bars only adds stiffness to the rolling axis though independently at each axle. Springs adds stiffness to both rolling and pitching axes, as well as independently at each wheel. It is not difficult to understand why lowering/stiffer springs are a better method of suspension component upgrade.

2. As with any type of spring, both anti-roll bar and coil spring have other properties - more than just stiffness, kt. There is also their linearity. A coil spring is highly linear spring, which is why they are such excellent choice for precision suspension control in most passenger vehicle applications. The anti-roll bars OTOH is a hybrid spring, comprising of both a torsional spring and a cantilever (bending) spring. Most of them have a fixed torsional spring constant, but many aftermarket ones have adjustable cantilever spring rate. By selecting different hole in which to mount the tie rod, one can tune the cantilever spring constant and, at the same time, varying the moment arm for actuating the torsion spring. For finer suspension movement, practically only the cantilever spring of the anti-roll bar is active. Only for grosser transient movement, and large steady-state deflections does the torsional spring becomes the primary actor.

3. In addition to kt and linearity, there is also a spring's natural frequency, ωn. Without going into too much details, I'll just say that the anti-roll bar is more suited to controlling the sprung mass movement, Ys (basically the the whole car body), and not as much for controlling the unsprung mass movement, Yus.

So what does all this mean, you might ask? Well, it means that any reduction in brake dive and accel squat should be credited to the lowering/stiffer spring. Reduction is body roll is both anti-roll bar and lowering/stiffer spring. Faster transient body movement, like in initial corner tip-in is likely more coil springs, while sustained steady state, like through a large sweeping turn is likely helped more by the anti-roll bars. These are, of course, more generalizations, but my driving impressions so far with both Stinger/G70 have not convinced me otherwise.

What I have not yet being able to appreciate, are the two mods' influence on cornering attitude (understeer/oversteer) at the limits, with varying amounts of throttle input. Too dangerous to try at on public roads. We'll get a chance at it later this month at the Track Day. :)
 
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Thanks so much for the thoughtful, more in-depth explanation. An engineer appreciated it 🙂.
What mounting hole in the bars did you choose to use? Did you use the stock links? The Whiteline end links seem pricey.
We'll be very interested to hear about your upcoming experience with the car on the track. Good luck, keep the shiny side up 😉
 
I thought you might find that interesting. :)

Right now, we are on the "soft" setting, though I was briefly on the "firm" hole on Stinger front for doing some installation diagnostics. These settings are really more for fine-tuning cornering attitude and generally don't affect everyday driving as much, unless you are the type that treat fwy cloverleaf like your private skidpad. :) Firmer setting on the front axle increases slip angle of the front tires, leading to more understeer tendency in general. Firmer setting on the rear axle increases slip angle of the rear tires and consequently less understeer. Again, these influences are mostly once the car has gotten past the initial corner entry transient body movement and settle into the turn (steady state). Some folks will refer to "on corner exit" or "with throttle input", but they usually mean the same 1/2 half of the turn. We might finetune the settings between sessions at the Track Day, depending on how the chassis feel.

At or near the limits, tire compliance also plays a crucial role in cornering stability. Too little of it on the rear tires might cause tire hop and lead to snap oversteer, especially without LSD. This is yet another reason I dislike overly low profile tires on huge heavy wheels. Tire compliance doesn't just aide ride comfort, it also helps keep the tire tread in contact with the tarmac and you from ending up in the weeds.

I kept the stock end links, which are very well built, stiff, and with good articulation. I saw no need for the adjustable ones.

BTW, I forgot to mention about the sizing of the anti-roll bars. From what I read, the front OEM anti-roll bar is hollow, to save weight. The Whiteline bar, by the hefty feel if it, is most likely solid core. My guess is any aftermarketeer worth their reputation will set their F&R torsion spring stiffness balanced relative to the OEM bars. As large discrepancies will result in unfriendly cornering attitude change, per above discussion.
 
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Thanks for the info. I have seen hollow bars before, but they're usually pretty big, like 1" or more in diameter. Interesting that our front bar is supposed to be.
I'm getting the itch to go your route (lighter wheels, bars and probably springs). I'll have to review all the pics to see how the drop on Eibachs looks compared to Ark. If I recall, some pics that have been posted looked like the rear was a bit too low.
 
Here's our G70 on Eibach Pro-Kit springs and Dunlop 255/40R18's. I measured before and after, and it's about 0.8" all around. This is with an OEM compact spare, scissor jack and the whole kit in the trunk. In track mode, with all that stuff taken out, the rear rises probably 0.1-0.2". This is on a '21 6MT RWD. Since yours is an AWD, I dunno how that would play out, since the front diff + drivetrain will add a bit more weight. My understanding is that the AWD version have taller stock springs? I have to plea ignorance there.G70 1c.jpg

One of the challenges is that none of the aftermarketeers offer lowering springs specifically for every configuration. I was lucky that Eibach has a P/N specifically for 2.0T RWD. The other P/N they list is supposedly for 3.3T AWD, so the drop numbers should be fairly close to what you can expect, within 0.1-0.2" of course. That is what I measured with both G70 and Stinger. I didn't consider other mfr's spring kits, because they don't have one specifically for my cars.
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Thanks for the photo and details. It looks really sharp!
I'll have to think about whether the copper, gunmetal or silver/grey wheels would look best on my Black Forest Green. I'm leaning toward gunmetal.
Did your OEM TPMS fit the wheels properly?
 
That's a tough call. Tire Rack has a visualization tool, but they don't have Black Forest Green. I'm sure I mentioned this already, but I picked the TFR because it is the lightest weight flow cast wheel that is relatively inexpensive. Everything else lighter are $300+/wheel. I love that the very open spokes are easy to clean, show off the Brembos well, and excellent for cooling the brakes at speed.

I bought genuine Mobis TPMS sensors directly from Korea via an Ebay seller. Here: [KIA] 52933J5000 TPMS Sensor Valve 1pc Stinger 17-18 Tire Pressure ⭐Low Price⭐ | eBay

I ordered the wheels from TireRack with new tires mounted, but with only the free rubber valve stems. After I got them in, I had to break the tire bead right over the valve stem, cut/pull the rubber valve stem out, then pull the new TPMS sensor through. Sounds more complicated than it really it. I have a Nomar tire changer for doing my own my motorcycle tires, so I'm used to it. If you don't have means of breaking the tire bead, any tire shop should be able to install them for you. DO NOT get generic TPMS sensors, which may need to be programmed to your car to work. The OEM Mobis sensors are plug-n-play. Drive on the new set, and within about 1 mile, the new sensors will be recognized. Really nice.
 
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I had just put new HP AS tires on my OEM wheels about 9 months ago, so I was thinking of just having my tire guy take them off, along with the sensors, and put them on the new wheels.
Yes, I'm looking for the least weight for a good price. I too like the easy cleaning, and the fact that Enkei is a known, proven brand.
Thanks for the link to the sensors, in case I decide to buy another set anyway.
 
Enkei is definitely a solid brand. Many of the old favorites like BBS are now just a shell of their old selves and nowhere near the quality they were in the haydays.

Enkei RPF1 is actually the lightest flow cast wheel Enkei makes. Lots of guys in AutoX circles run them. But they're $350-400+/wheel and not exactly the best looking IMO. TS-V and TS-5 are good choices we also considered. In the end, it came down to which one my son and I liked the most. We looked at tons of online pics of each mounted on similar cars and front different angle. Unlike hard numbers like weight, looks are very subjective. Even something as subtle as glossy copper finish vs. matte bronze makes a big difference when viewed in different lighting and viewing angles.

We found Enkei's website very helpful. Not only do they list the weight of each wheel size, they also have a video introducing and showcasing each wheel. You get a lot better feel of how a wheel looks in real life in an upclose video like those. Here's an example: TFR | Enkei Wheels You can check out their other wheels.
 
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