2nd time around..

[Mark_888]

So, you attempt to defend your original generalization with two more generalizations even more outlandish and condescending to most of the people posting on this thread. Is this an attempt at sarcastic humor, or are you serious?

There are hundreds of posts on this forum about pulling (or poor tracking) issues with the Genesis, especially during the first few years of the forum. There was nothing outlandish about what I posted.

The OP of this thread did not get his car replaced by Hyundai just because it had bad tires. I am sure that Hyundai tried replacing the tires before they gave him a new car.

 

[PMCErnie]

There are hundreds of posts on this forum about pulling (or poor tracking) issues with the Genesis, especially during the first few years of the forum. There was nothing outlandish about what I posted.

The OP of this thread did not get his car replaced by Hyundai just because it had bad tires. I am sure that Hyundai tried replacing the tires before they gave him a new car.

"The majority of Genesis sedans have had some pulling problem, with various degrees of severity."

Your statement is simply untrue. The sky is not falling.

 

[Mark_888]

"The majority of Genesis sedans have had some pulling problem, with various degrees of severity."

Your statement is simply untrue. The sky is not falling.

The fact that a car does not track perfectly straight when the steering wheel is let go (or extremely light grip) does not imply the sky is falling. I never said that. For most people who reported it, it was a relatively minor observation (that is what I meant by "varying degrees of severity"). A few people where upset about it.

But I will stand by my assertion that there were a large number of posts on this forum during the early years (not posted by me). I would not call it a problem; it is more of a "feature" that was induced by HMA in an attempt to make the steering more responsive than the KDM version. After a while I think I have gotten used to it, or it has diminished in severity as the suspension has worn, or maybe my last alignment (based on driving feel and not manufacturer specs) improved things. But I don't think the Genesis tracks nearly as straight as a BMW or other similar car. This is particularly true if the car is not a level road. But as I said, I don’t notice it anymore and I have probably learned to grip the steering wheel a little tighter by instinct.

I will admit that Hyundai may have improved things since the 2012 suspension upgrade, but OP on this forum seems to have an issue with it on his 2012.

 

[GenesisCaptain]

There are hundreds of posts on this forum about pulling (or poor tracking) issues with the Genesis, especially during the first few years of the forum. There was nothing outlandish about what I posted.

So, you stand by your original assertions that:

1) The majority of Genesis sedans have had some pulling problem
2) Some people would not notice
3) BMW drivers are more likely to notice
4) People who do notice should fix the problem by having the car aligned by feel rather than manufacturer specifications
5) This is based on posts in the Genesis Owners open discussion forums

Just trying to get the data straight for future readers..

 

[Mark_888]

So, you stand by your original assertions that:

1) The majority of Genesis sedans have had some pulling problem
2) Some people would not notice
3) BMW drivers are more likely to notice
4) People who do notice should fix the problem by having the car aligned by feel rather than manufacturer specifications
5) This is based on posts in the Genesis Owners open discussion forums

Just trying to get the data straight for future readers..

1. I believe that the majority of early Genesis owners noticed that the car did not track particularly straight compared to many other cars in the same class. I think it is more a “feature” rather than a “problem” because I believe Hyundai deliberately changed the alignment specs to increase steering response at the expense of tracking. So while tracking was somewhat less than other cars, steering response was improved (especially for such a large car).
2. Many people didn’t think it was big deal. I never complained to my dealer about it. A minority were definitely unhappy about it. There might be some people who did not notice, or where just lucky to not have that condition. A few people demanded a replacement car.
3. There were specific discussions in previous threads of how a BMW tracks very straight even on a slopping road (such as when the far left lane slops slightly to the left). The general consensus was that BMW seemed to be able to have good steering response and track straight, while most other cars had to make a trade-off between steering response and straight tracking.
4. The last alignment I had done was at an independent suspension shop. Their policy was to do repeated test drives and adjustments until the car drove straight, and not just do factory alignment specs and hand over to the customer. I had my alignment done right after I purchased new tires. Seemed to work in my case.
5. There are a fairly large number of posts on this forum in earlier years on the subject of "pulling."

 

[lncaylor]

I am a BMW driver and I do not think they track any better than my Genny.

I have 14500 mi. on my original Michelin Energy and no pulling.

 

[dfd5280]

It pulled to the right when I bought it. Took it in and had the allignment re-done, still pulled to the right which the dealer acknowledged. Put new Continentals on it, still pulled to the right. 32,000 miles now and it still has a noticible pull.

 

[homeofstone]

It pulled to the right when I bought it. Took it in and had the allignment re-done, still pulled to the right which the dealer acknowledged. Put new Continentals on it, still pulled to the right. 32,000 miles now and it still has a noticible pull.

Did the dealer ever eliminate a possible tire problem by installing a set of tires and wheels off of another Genesis on the lot that had been driven and did not have a pull? In other words test the car with a set of tires and wheels known to be good that did not pull. A new set of tires does not guarantee there will not be another bad tire with radial pull. When I worked for Goodyear Tire and Rubber Co. we sometimes had manufacturing runs of thousands of tires that had radial pull and sold them as seconds or blemished.

 

[Mark_888]

When I worked for Goodyear Tire and Rubber Co. we sometimes had manufacturing runs of thousands of tires that had radial pull and sold them as seconds or blemished.

Mabye Dunlop sold all their seconds with radial pull to Hyundai in 2009-2010.

 

[homeofstone]

Mabye Dunlop sold all their seconds with radial pull to Hyundai in 2009-2010.

LOL Dunlop is Goodyear.

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[dfd5280]

Did the dealer ever eliminate a possible tire problem by installing a set of tires and wheels off of another Genesis on the lot that had been driven and did not have a pull? In other words test the car with a set of tires and wheels known to be good that did not pull. A new set of tires does not guarantee there will not be another bad tire with radial pull. When I worked for Goodyear Tire and Rubber Co. we sometimes had manufacturing runs of thousands of tires that had radial pull and sold them as seconds or blemished.

I also had another set of tires on the vehicle, Michelin winters, and it pulled so I think the tires are not the culprit. Wheels could be an issue as you mention but as a bent wheel gets placed on different corners I would think the pull would be different. Previously bent wheels have been pointed out to me by tire shops when they attempt to balance and so far nobody has said anything to me.