After 16 months my 1st disappointment

[silverado]

i went with the top rated ultra high performance all season continental. they are excellent.
the tirerack user survey can be found at http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=UHPAS

 

[Midnightsun]

i went with the top rated ultra high performance all season continental. they are excellent.
the tirerack user survey can be found at http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=UHPAS

That was my first choice but they were sold out for the summer here in Canada for the Genny size. I have the Conti on my SL Benz, really nice tire.

Here you will notice the Serenty did very well also and actually topped the Conti in stability,cornering and dry. However, the Serenity is terrible in the snow in comparison to the Conti.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=UHPAS&VT=null&sortValue=14

 

[Disaster]

That was my first choice but they were sold out for the summer here in Canada for the Genny size. I have the Conti on my SL Benz, really nice tire.

Here you will notice the Serenty did very well also and actually topped the Conti in stability,cornering and dry. However, the Serenity is terrible in the snow in comparison to the Conti.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=UHPAS&VT=null&sortValue=14

I like having feedback but I have noticed that OEM tires seem to fair MUCH worse than aftermarket tires. I think people are tougher on them. I also noticed that if a tire was bad in one area people had a tendancy to mark it down in other areas...sometimes all areas.

A good example is the stock Dunlops. These are the lowest rated tire in that category, on TireRack. They are atrocious on ice and snow, which I think we all can agree. However, they also are one of the lowest rated on cornering stability and dry traction which is hogwash. In dry conditions the 5000m's stick like glue...certainly better than a squishy all season tire. This is because they have less ribs...more rubber in contact with the road and stiffer sidewalls which make for a better performing dry tire (think slicks.) I can definitely get my winter rubber loose easier, on dry pavement, than I can the OEM Dunlops.

 

[Sayantsi]

This is because they have less ribs...more rubber in contact with the road and stiffer sidewalls which make for a better performing dry tire (think slicks.) I can definitely get my winter rubber loose easier, on dry pavement, than I can the OEM Dunlops.

Fwiw, the sipes are where most traction is generated, you want more "ribs" as the edges of tire blocks are where traction is generated. A softer compound also helps as it allows the tire to better dig into the road surface.

Slicks are different story - they are extremely sticky and short-lived compound for tires that don't need sipes and blocks because they will never see wet road conditions.

Its not just the tread pattern of the tire, its the rubber compound used to make it. Fyi tires generall use a stiff, hard rubber for the base and sidewalls to give better support and debris durability, with softer compound used for the tread. This is why its always important to change tires out before they go bald - you are no longer riding on the soft rubber that has grip but the hard structural rubber that does not provide grip.

 

[Aquineas]

Just because you owned some before, does not mean the newer models are much better. After all, how would you like it if somebody said your Genesis sucks as I had they Hyundai Pony before and it was a piece of crap.

Here is a comparison test for a few high end tires. You will notice the Turanza Serenity was far superior to anything out there on the wet. This is where I like a tire to shine as this is one of the most unexpected,dangerous and unforgiving condition you will ever encounter in the summer.

I just put a new set of these same tires on my Genesis.

Here is the test. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/video112.jsp

Good points, it's a good chance they have improved. But I'll vote with my wallet. It's not just one set of Bridgestone which sucked. I had them OEM on two Maximas, an Altima 3.5, and an Acura TL.

 

[nearwater]

Good points, it's a good chance they have improved. But I'll vote with my wallet. It's not just one set of Bridgestone which sucked. I had them OEM on two Maximas, an Altima 3.5, and an Acura TL.

The Bridgestone RE tires I had on my Honda S2000 was pretty decent.
Not doubting your opinion or anything, but a different model from a same company could have different quality.
Just my $0.02

Dan

 

[ASHDUMP]

I had Continental ContiPro Contacts that lasted me 90,000 miles with tread left over. This was on my 2001 Oldsmobile Aurora. I would consider getting them again and possibly look into the extremes as well.

 

[Disaster]

Fwiw, the sipes are where most traction is generated, you want more "ribs" as the edges of tire blocks are where traction is generated. A softer compound also helps as it allows the tire to better dig into the road surface.

Siping is to allow water to be removed from under the tread pattern. The edges of the sipes do not increase dry traction. A siped tire will have a greater tendancy to deform and roll over, actually decreasing traction somewhat. You will find sipes on the best winter tires. It greatly improves ice traction.

http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/TireSiping.shtml

Slicks are different story - they are extremely sticky and short-lived compound for tires that don't need sipes and blocks because they will never see wet road conditions.

This is true with all higher performance tires. They get their traction from the softer stickier compound...including the Dunlops on the Genesis.

Its not just the tread pattern of the tire, its the rubber compound used to make it. Fyi tires generall use a stiff, hard rubber for the base and sidewalls to give better support and debris durability, with softer compound used for the tread. This is why its always important to change tires out before they go bald - you are no longer riding on the soft rubber that has grip but the hard structural rubber that does not provide grip.

This is especially true of winter tires that have a very soft porous silica surface that works like millions of tiny sipes. There is also different patterns used for different purposes. You will often see tires were one section is designed for removing water while another has a more solid pattern for handling. When you wear through too much of this pattern you compromise the channels designed to remove water.

I had Continental ContiPro Contacts that lasted me 90,000 miles with tread left over. This was on my 2001 Oldsmobile Aurora. I would consider getting them again and possibly look into the extremes as well.

I've never seen a tire that could go 90K miles. I would seriously question the grip of any tire that could do that kind of miles.

 

[ASHDUMP]

I've never seen a tire that could go 90K miles. I would seriously question the grip of any tire that could do that kind of miles.

I know what you mean. I'm really telling the truth here and not starting internet forum rumors. The ContiPro Contacts came with the Aurora as the OEM tires. They lasted me all the way until I switched over to Kelly Tires.

I told the mechanic who put the tires on that these were the OEM tires and he said I didn't have to tell him that. His Mom (who I'm assuming was over 70 years old had the same car). Anyway, he couldn't believe how many miles were on the tires either.

Now as far as grip.... I don't know the answer to that. I assume after putting that much on one set of tires the grip factor was significantly less.