Aftermarket Headlights?

[GenesisDan]

Hey all, first post, first day as a Genesis Sedan owner. Coming from a 2011 Coupe Track.

I love the curved white accent lights on the front of the sedan. However, the headlights are yellow, as well as the fogs which doesn't look quite right.

Has anyone replaced with HID's? If so, from dealer or purchased online?
Just looking for some advice. Not sure if I can just buy a bulb or need a complete replacement kit.

If you all have some pictures of different strengths I would greatly appreciate it!

 

[OneFunGenesis]

Are we talking headlight bulbs?

You drive the V6? Do you have the Tech package? Do you have adaptive front lights?

If you could update your signature with your car info, that would help

 

[GenesisDan]

No I got the base 2013 V6, wasn't really fond of the addons for the price.

So I don't believe I have the articulating lights.

But yes, headlight bulbs.

 

[OneFunGenesis]

Interesting. I am sure you can get and HID kit for your low beams. I am not 100% sure how good they are for your car, sorry about that. But there are many places you can get an HID kit.

If you do not want to go that route, you can get some new H11 bulbs and replace them. There are bulbs on the market that put out a whiter light. However, they do suffer from life expectancy problems. It's a give and take lol

 

[GenesisDan]

Yeah I hear ya. I went to my dealer and they didn't have anything either and recommended aftermarket.
However I haven't been able to find anything aftermarket wise specifically for the 13 Sedan.
Been trying to contact a few sellers but no luck so far.

 

[brfatal]

You cannot run HIDs in your stock headlights. Your only option to do that would be to purchase factory HID Genesis headlights and create a wiring harness to get them to work with your wiring.

Halogen bulbs are naturally 'yellow'. There are some halogen bulbs that burn whiter or even brighter (over-wattage), but they have much shorter light spans. Though honestly none come to mind in H11 fitment at the top of my head.

 

[GenesisDan]

^ Right, I couldn't just plug in an hid bulb.
But I could buy a HID Kit right?
To replace the stock with the full HID setup?
That's what I meant with my post but haven't been able to find a complete kit for the 2013 genesis sedan.

They have them for the coupe.

 

[brfatal]

^ Right, I couldn't just plug in an hid bulb.
But I could buy a HID Kit right?
To replace the stock with the full HID setup?
That's what I meant with my post but haven't been able to find a complete kit for the 2013 genesis sedan.

They have them for the coupe.

No, you cannot run an HID kit. You can retrofit your stock headlights with HID optics/projectors (try theretrofitsource.com) and run HIDs. You or someone else are going to have to do a little bit of fabrication work, which is why I recommended factory HID Genesis lights.

Another option is to run H9 bulbs. They fit into H11 plugs but run higher wattage (as previously noted at the expense of bulb life). Though honestly I don't know whether or not the Genesis's wiring can handle it.

 

[GenesisDan]

Thanks for the response.
That really sucks, but at the same time it wasn't worth the $4500 to get HID lights.
I'll look into pricing for the HID Genesis Lights.

 

[scottdk]

Dan your best bet is to spend some time on Ebay to find a set. The OEM lights are also autoleveling and cornering and the motor is built right in the housing.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-2010-2...pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr

Otherwise acceptable "upgraded" bulbs in your OEM lights would be

Narva RangePower+50 and RangePower+30, GE Night Hawk, and Philips Vision Plus, and Osram Silver Star are the ones to get. Note the Silver Star is Osram NOT Phillips. They produce the maximum legal amount of light while staying within legal power consumption limits. They have colorless clear glass and are excellent bulbs.

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[GenesisDan]

I found a few 2013 OEM lights but they were pretty costly.
I think I'll stick with what I have atm as I'd rather spend that money on something else, like rims or an exhaust.
Thanks for the help guys.

 

[OneFunGenesis]

Might be a noob question, but why could he not go with an HID kit? I am well aware that the projectors are not built to handle HID's but is there something PHYSICALLY stopping him from installing an HID kit?

 

[radicaltimes]

There are quite a few whom put HID's in there projector headlights. The headlight police say it has to be a HID projector. I don't think there is any difference between the two but then I do not claim to be an expert on the subject that a friend of a friend that somebody meet told them was a fact. Search on this forum and you will find some post about the conversion. Maybe even PM them and ask how they work since did this a while back.

 

[scottdk]

In many other parts of the world HID headlights require headlamp lens cleaning systems and auto-leveling. The Genesis with HID's has the auto-leveling ability, but not the self cleaning. The reason for these requirements is to reduce glare as much as possible to other drivers'. Generally, in terms of lighting the North American market is many years behind other parts of the world. See World Forum for Harmonization of Vehicle Regulations. for participating countries.

 

[brfatal]

Dan your best bet is to spend some time on Ebay to find a set. The OEM lights are also autoleveling and cornering and the motor is built right in the housing.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2009-2010-2...pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&vxp=mtr

Otherwise acceptable "upgraded" bulbs in your OEM lights would be

Narva RangePower+50 and RangePower+30, GE Night Hawk, and Philips Vision Plus, and Osram Silver Star are the ones to get. Note the Silver Star is Osram NOT Phillips. They produce the maximum legal amount of light while staying within legal power consumption limits. They have colorless clear glass and are excellent bulbs.

None of those are made in H11. The only truly brighter choice is running H9. He can get whiter light with tinted bulbs, but they won't be as bright.

There are quite a few whom put HID's in there projector headlights. The headlight police say it has to be a HID projector. I don't think there is any difference between the two but then I do not claim to be an expert on the subject that a friend of a friend that somebody meet told them was a fact. Search on this forum and you will find some post about the conversion. Maybe even PM them and ask how they work since did this a while back.

I know this is forwardly cocky on my part, but red falls back on blue. I've contributed to multiple lighting FAQs on various Subaru forums. The point being is that they are different. Just being projectors does not mean a whole lot. A lot of halogen projectors actually produce more glare with HIDs in them than most halogen reflectors would with HIDs. Older Audi A4 optics being a prime example. Simply put the shape of the optics and the placement of the bulb within the optics are different. Rebased HID bulbs (aka bulbs from HID kits) are longer than their halogen counterparts, so the source of the light within the optic is moved, which throws the lighting geometry off similar to what would happen if you moved a mirror within a telescope. This is actually also a problem for many HID kits that are based for actual HID fitment (D2R, D2S, etc). The bases more often than not don't line up and fit properly, which is why I always recomment OEM grade HID bulbs to people who have them stock. But back to the point. The cut off will not be as clear, you will get increased glare, you will get hot and cold spots (darker and brighter) spots in the beam, and GOOD HID projectors also focus more light near the cut-off than halogen optics for better distance illumination.

Might be a noob question, but why could he not go with an HID kit? I am well aware that the projectors are not built to handle HID's but is there something PHYSICALLY stopping him from installing an HID kit?

HID kits are 50-state illegal.

 

[OneFunGenesis]

I know this is forwardly cocky on my part, but red falls back on blue. I've contributed to multiple lighting FAQs on various Subaru forums. The point being is that they are different. Just being projectors does not mean a whole lot. A lot of halogen projectors actually produce more glare with HIDs in them than most halogen reflectors would with HIDs. Older Audi A4 optics being a prime example. Simply put the shape of the optics and the placement of the bulb within the optics are different. Rebased HID bulbs (aka bulbs from HID kits) are longer than their halogen counterparts, so the source of the light within the optic is moved, which throws the lighting geometry off similar to what would happen if you moved a mirror within a telescope. This is actually also a problem for many HID kits that are based for actual HID fitment (D2R, D2S, etc). The bases more often than not don't line up and fit properly, which is why I always recomment OEM grade HID bulbs to people who have them stock. But back to the point. The cut off will not be as clear, you will get increased glare, you will get hot and cold spots (darker and brighter) spots in the beam, and GOOD HID projectors also focus more light near the cut-off than halogen optics for better distance illumination.

This. I have studied lighting for years and this is exactly correct. There is a huge difference in the two projectors.

HID kits are 50-state illegal.

I am aware of this, but there is nothing PHYSICALLY stopping him from installing a HID kit.

 

[marty5marty]

I installed HID kits on my '12 genny since i got the base model. Looks great and doesn't blind anyone ( got the 35 watts instead of 55 watts ) Why are people saying is not possible when it is?

here's a thread from a member and that is exactly what i did:
http://www.genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=3762

PS. EDIT: Diode dynamics used to sell them but I just checked and they don't sell the fogs and low beams HID kits anymore...i wonder why?

 

[scottdk]

I installed HID kits on my '12 genny since i got the base model. Looks great and doesn't blind anyone ( got the 35 watts instead of 55 watts ) Why are people saying is not possible when it is?

Because wattage has little to do with an improper HID setup and glare. I put an HID kit in my Sonata which has factory projectors and they just sucked. Hot spots in the beam pattern and a very unusual cutoff no matter the head light aim. The bottom line is really aftermarket HID lighting is a very bad idea. However, buying the OEM HID lenses/HID would be an option. Ebay has Genesis HID headlights listed for a pretty reasonable price. The motor is built-in the headlight assembly and I have yet to find a post or thread on the forum stating their AFLS have failed.

As explained above by brfatal:

Simply put the shape of the optics and the placement of the bulb within the optics are different. Rebased HID bulbs (aka bulbs from HID kits) are longer than their halogen counterparts, so the source of the light within the optic is moved, which throws the lighting geometry off similar to what would happen if you moved a mirror within a telescope

 

[OneFunGenesis]

^ This. They're just made differently. End of stroy