Air filter replacement

[SKM348]

Any technical reason to stay with OEM? I don't mind spending the $33 but if a Fram/Wicks are equally good I'll save a few bucks and go with aftermarket.

Thanks

 

[Mark_888]

Where are you seeing $33? If that is what you dealer charges, tell them to sell at list price of $23.29 or you will rip their heads clean off.

If you want to pay less than $23.29, you can buy here at a 25% discount. There is no sales tax outside of FL, but there is a shipping charge, so stock up on all your filters (engine air filter, oil filter, cabin filter) for future needs and have them shipped at all once.
https://www.hyundaioemparts.com/oem...lbmVzaXMmeT0yMDE2JnQ9My04JmU9My04bC12Ni1nYXM=

Part number is 28113-B1000 from what I can tell.

 

[SKM348]

Not sure why they are pricing it that way but my question wasn't about price but function

 

[RyanB]

My local stealer was also asking $30 for the filter. I went with a K&N that I found on sale. Some don't like the reusable filters but I have never had any issues and they pay for themselves after a while. As for the K&N no noticeable power difference but a bit more sound under wot. As long as you check and change your filter regularly you should have no issues with any major brand.

 

[SKM348]

Thanks Ryan

 

[Mark_888]

Not sure why they are pricing it that way but my question wasn't about price but function

Well, you did say "if a Fram/Wicks are equally good I'll save a few bucks and go with aftermarket" so it seemed that price was a part of the question.

A Fram engine air filter should be fine, but I would stay away from K&N since Hyundai has claimed that it can cause problems on their engines. Companies like Hyundai spend many millions of dollars trying to squeeze performance out of engines because it improve MPG, and if a K&N filter (or equivalent design) actually worked better, they would use it.

K&N made their name on older American cars when manufacturers did not car about anything but cost, and they did not have the EPA and CAFE rules breathing down their neck.

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My local stealer was also asking $30 for the filter.

Was that in parts department, or is that with installation? Parts department's have a multiple pricing structure, and usually you have to ask for a discount. If you don't get one, just order from an online Hyundai dealer at 25% off MSRP.

 

[SKM348]

Just found Wix brand for $23 at O'Reillys so i'm good..

 

[1FstYota]

Well, you did say "if a Fram/Wicks are equally good I'll save a few bucks and go with aftermarket" so it seemed that price was a part of the question.

A Fram engine air filter should be fine, but I would stay away from K&N since Hyundai has claimed that it can cause problems on their engines. Companies like Hyundai spend many millions of dollars trying to squeeze performance out of engines because it improve MPG, and if a K&N filter (or equivalent design) actually worked better, they would use it.

K&N made their name on older American cars when manufacturers did not car about anything but cost, and they did not have the EPA and CAFE rules breathing down their neck.

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Was that in parts department, or is that with installation? Parts department's have a multiple pricing structure, and usually you have to ask for a discount. If you don't get one, just order from an online Hyundai dealer at 25% off MSRP.

Not sure if I would agree with the statement if its better they would use it. Hyundai cares about making money, they are not gonna pay K&N 2 bucks per filter per 10k units or whatever vs 25 cents for brand x filter. It's as easy as that the more money they save on stuff the more in their pockets.

So in turn the K&N could very well be better but Hyundai will not spend the money to put one in, and this is whether if it messes with the MAF and MAP sensors.

 

[Mark_888]

Not sure if I would agree with the statement if its better they would use it. Hyundai cares about making money, they are not gonna pay K&N 2 bucks per filter per 10k units or whatever vs 25 cents for brand x filter. It's as easy as that the more money they save on stuff the more in their pockets.

So in turn the K&N could very well be better but Hyundai will not spend the money to put one in, or the fact that the oils can mess with the maf or map sensors.

That is old school thinking. We are now in the 21st century. The cost of complying with and paying penalties for CAFE fuel mileage requirements in the not to far off future far outweighs the cost of including a K&N filter.

The other factor is whether Hyundai thinks a K&N (or similar filter design) would cause reliability problems for the engine that they have given the owner a generous warranty for (especially if original owner). As I mentioned above, Hyundai has issued a TSB about certain engine air filters. and will require dealers to replace the K&N filter if an owner is complaining about engine performance under warranty. They may not be able to legally do that with a Fram engine oil filter, but they can do it on a K&N because it does not meet Hyundai OEM specs.

I do understand that people like to customize and improve their cars beyond what the manufacturer has done, but cars (and engines) are much more complex than they used to be.

 

[1FstYota]

That is old school thinking. We are now in the 21st century. The cost of complying with and paying penalties for CAFE fuel mileage requirements in the not to far off future far outweighs the cost of including a K&N filter.

The other factor is whether Hyundai thinks a K&N (or similar filter design) would cause reliability problems for the engine that they have given the owner a generous warranty for (especially if original owner). As I mentioned above, Hyundai has issued a TSB about certain engine air filters. and will require dealers to replace the K&N filter if an owner is complaining about engine performance under warranty. They may not be able to legally do that with a Fram engine oil filter, but they can do it on a K&N because it does not meet Hyundai OEM specs.

I do understand that people like to customize and improve their cars beyond what the manufacturer has done, but cars (and engines) are much more complex than they used to be.

It's not old school thinking, its just making money. Spending the bare minimums to meet standards, isn't that what all companies do to maximize profits so the CEO can have a new lambo each year? Plus companies rather pay the fine cause sometimes that's still cheaper.

I think you explained the second paragraph well, it's all about control, the car was designed with the cheapest available parts, so that is spec and warranty can deny you especially if your not in spec. Whether or not the oiled filter causes an issue is one thing but since its not spec and you have performance issues then you're SOL.

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[EdP]

It's not old school thinking, its just making money. Spending the bare minimums to meet standards, isn't that what all companies do to maximize profits so the CEO can have a new lambo each year? Plus companies rather pay the fine cause sometimes that's still cheaper.

I think you explained the second paragraph well, it's all about control, the car was designed with the cheapest available parts,.

Cheapest? Not everyone thinks that way. Best value? That is a better description. Sure, profit is necessary. If a company does not make a profit i don't want to buy their goods. They won't be there if needed down the road. Same with using the "cheapest" parts. The car will not be reliable and people won't return to buy another. Perhaps you really mean value engineered, not cheap.

 

[Mark_888]

It's not old school thinking, its just making money. Spending the bare minimums to meet standards, isn't that what all companies do to maximize profits so the CEO can have a new lambo each year? Plus companies rather pay the fine cause sometimes that's still cheaper.

I am not talking about pollution standards, I am talking about fuel mileage standards. The more power an engine generates, the better fuel mileage it gets at a given RPM.

The CAFE standards for 2018 are as follows:

• footprint: 41 sq ft (3.8 m2) or smaller (e.g., 2011 Honda Fit) - EPA sticker of 34 MPG combined
• footprint: 55 sq ft (5.1 m2) or bigger (e.g., Mercedes-Benz S-Class) - EPA sticker of 26 MPG combined

The CAFE standards gradually increase every year, and are as follows in 2025:

• footprint: 41 sq ft (3.8 m2) or smaller (e.g., 2011 Honda Fit) - EPA sticker of 43 MPG combined
• footprint: 55 sq ft (5.1 m2) or bigger (e.g., Mercedes-Benz S-Class) - EPA sticker of 34 MPG combined

I think your comments about saving a few bucks to give up performance is not the case. In fact, there are many 3rd party manufactured parts and systems on the Genesis that they could have found cheaper somewhere else or they could have made them internally for less cost. But the Genesis was not designed with the cheapest parts available, although "maybe" with the cheapest parts available for the same level of performance and engine reliability. The economics of a low volume car like Genesis that sells for $50K is a lot different than a Hyundai Elantra.

Filters are a tricky subject. Even in home HVAC systems you see all kinds expensive filters being sold that claim to trap microscopic organisms and airborne viruses, etc. But an HVAC expert will tell you that the blowers are rated for a certain air pressure and flow, and a filter that is too restrictive (even if it traps a lot of particles) can damage the HVAC system and/or reduce its performance.

The truth is that guys (me included) like to tinker and put their own stamp on things, but I just don't recommended doing that with a modern engine, which are way different these days than they were just 15 years ago.

 

[1FstYota]

EdP, are you a salesman, instead of "cheap" its "best value" lol. So none of us bought "used cars" its "certified pre-owned" right?

As far as the statement on "The more power an engine generates, the better fuel mileage it gets at a given RPM." How does that work exactly? A perfect stoichiometric efficient air/fuel ratio is 14.7. You def don't want that in the 3.3T model cause you will melt the internals which means its adds more fuel.

Unless these gasoline engines are injecting just enough fuel and high enough compression to where it begins to diesel itself your not gonna get performance and fuel economy in the same sentence.

You can still mess with the new engines if you like, you just need to be able to convert the canbus signals to something usable for an aftermarket ECU. The premise of the engine didn't change just the computers running them.

I hope none of yall are offended cause this is some pretty good discussion, even though we completed derailed this thread.

 

[PatrickStern]

I personally use a K&N filter in mine, just because it's easy to clean and i can re-use it for the life of the car pretty much. Some people dislike them, but, everyone has their opinions.

 

[fortinet]

With my 00' 7-series, the argument was that the K&N would screw up the MAF. And there were enough people saying it happened to their car to believe them.

Is this the same? I too would love to know for my future car.

 

[EdP]

With my 00' 7-series, the argument was that the K&N would screw up the MAF. And there were enough people saying it happened to their car to believe them

To me, the biggest factor is meeting OEM spec. While I doubt it would destroy an engine, if it did anything that needed shop time the savings is lost. Diagnosing alone would probably be an hour charge of shop rate, the cost of a couple of filters. What is the performance advantage? Will it shave 2 seconds off the 0-60 time? Or more like .02 seconds?

 

[PatrickStern]

Maybe i've been fortunate so far, with 2 cars already having an K&N installed, i'm not about the 1 HP gain or anything at all, for me it was really just a preference.

 

[1FstYota]

Maybe i've been fortunate so far, with 2 cars already having an K&N installed, i'm not about the 1 HP gain or anything at all, for me it was really just a preference.

Yea, I had K&N in most of my cars as well MAF sensor or MAP never really had any issues, I dont soak the filter in oil either. Maybe for your next video show a proper clean and oil on the filter.

 

[Mark_888]

Maybe i've been fortunate so far, with 2 cars already having an K&N installed, i'm not about the 1 HP gain or anything at all, for me it was really just a preference.

Everyone knows that one's car runs a lot better after it has been washed and cleaned inside. The same goes for K&N air filters.

 

[Spanky61]

With my 00' 7-series, the argument was that the K&N would screw up the MAF. And there were enough people saying it happened to their car to believe them.

Is this the same? I too would love to know for my future car.

No it doesn't but any dirty filter will cause an eventually MAF sensor problem. Most who have problems with aftermarket filters (Cleanable) don't take care of them during normal intervals. If the car goes in for service, make sure you service the air filter. Pretty simple actually. Most don't give it a second thought and more think the aftermarket filter will last longer than an OEM. Voila' in lies the problem. K & N's have been on the market for decades and have a stellar reputation from all manufacturers. They exceed OEM specification and filter much more efficiently. You just have to clean them occasionally as you would replace an OEM filter.

"Hyundai has issued a TSB about certain engine air filters." Where, post the TSB, instead of claiming there is one. The dealer sure doesn't have one or has seen one, neither does the NHTSA. Already checked and confirmed by Hyundai and Genesis.

Performing filtration efficiency testing following the internationally recognized ISO 5011 protocol with ISO coarse test dust; Filtration testing on both 2015-2016 Hyundai Genesis Sedan 5.0L replacement air filters shows an overall filtration efficiency rating of over 98.5%. This means that although a K&N high-flow replacement air filter will provide an increase in airflow, and long service intervals, it does not do so at the expense of filtration efficiency or engine protection. They are also recognized by all Manufacturers; To be Emissions legal in all 50 US states and will NOT void vehicle warranty.

https://www.knfilters.com/MAF/massair.htm