All electric Genesis?

[idlemind]

What do you all think about seeing an all electric Genesis model? Not the Mint, but something for example like a EV80, EV90, etc. Even the Essentia concept. Are you looking forward to the arrival of an all electric Genesis? I've been planning to trade up early next year from my 2015 to either the 2019, or 2020 model G80. Just depends on what I think about the new design when it's revealed. But recently I've been wanting to get into an electric vehicle so I may hold off to see what Genesis does, or trade into something completely different. Just wondering what how other Genesis owners feel regarding the EV topic.

 

[NikonMan]

I'm interested in electric but not in the current compromises (stripped interior, manufacturer specific charging network, no chance of a 10 minute 100% fillup). Now that VW/Audi/Porsche are going all in I expect things to change but it will still be years before charging speed and infrastructure are at a level where I will feel comfortable making the switch. Fortunately I'm still years away from a new vehicle so I'm fairly confident my next one will be electric, and if Genesis has an electric SUV by then I'll be all in.

 

[MrMegadeth]

Infrastructure is too weak for Texas. You cannot take any EV from Houston to San Antonio as there are no chargers available. So this forces multiple vehicles.

If the infrastructure would get better I'm ready. Plus, if the infrastructure gets better we can use smaller batteries to help prevent fires.

 

[idlemind]

I considered the travel aspect of an all electric car and couldn't really rule it out on that, except in the case of emergency. But for the day to day commute I don't see power being an issue because I don't drive enough in a day to deplete a full charge. Also I can always top the car off over night once I'm back home for the day. Not sure what recommended charging cycles are, but there's that option. For those times when I want to take a drive out of town I will just rent a car for the trip. Some people do that now with their gas car just to keep the miles off of it. I think the one concern that would have to be considered is in the case of evacuation due to an approaching storm or possible flooding. Seeing as how I wouldn't have to go so far in the case of an evacuation that I would deplete a full charge I think even that would not necessarily be a deal breaker, but it is something to carefully consider. It's not like that is something that occurs often so I believe the probability of that even being a major issue is low. I've only evacuated the city twice due to a storm in my lifetime. I have two cars so I would still have a gas car if I absolutely needed one immediately.

 

[MrMegadeth]

Sure, the P90 case is that most people drive less than 100 miles per day so most EV cars are rated at that. But, again, in Texas, even in a big Tesla with the AC blowing and running at 75 MPH (Speed limit on I10) you won't make Dallas nor SA.

I could rent a car but, for me, that's a non starter.

I do take my motorcycle to both all the time. And, of course, I cannot make it to either on 1 tank...but it takes me 5 minutes to gas-up as opposed to the 30 minutes to many hours it takes to do the same in an EV.

Plus, many states have figured out that EVs are getting to use the roads for free. That is, driving a car damages the road. States and the Fed pay for the road upkeep by putting a tax in each gallon. EVs don't use gas and there are no recovery fees in the electrical state charges. Soooooo, a few states are going to start charging thousand dollar (Illinois) to register an EV. Many states aren't that high yet but it's coming; has to or we gotta pay for the roads a different way.

Fact #901: November 30, 2015 States Assessing Fees on Electric Vehicles to Make Up For Lost Fuel Tax Revenue
Updated: 17 States Now Charge Fees for Electric Vehicles
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[EdP]

What do you all think about seeing an all electric Genesis model? Not the Mint, but something for example like a EV80, EV90, etc. Even the Essentia concept. Are you looking forward to the arrival of an all electric Genesis? I've been planning to trade up early next year from my 2015 to either the 2019, or 2020 model G80. Just depends on what I think about the new design when it's revealed. But recently I've been wanting to get into an electric vehicle so I may hold off to see what Genesis does, or trade into something completely different. Just wondering what how other Genesis owners feel regarding the EV topic.

IMO, practicality for my use is years away. It may happen, but we are not close yet. Now going back some years I said that about digital photography compared to film. I held out before switching but now would never go back to film.

Studies have shown that the manufacture of the car itself is no better for the environment. Cost from fuel saving has a very long payback for the premium you pay. I'm still not sure the environmental repercussions of mining and later disposing of the lithium for the batteries.

I don't know about climate control. I don't see people complaining so I have to assume it is OK both summer and winter. Temperature extremes will lessen the available miles as you are heating/cooling with battery power too.

Infrastructure needs much improving as a coal fired electric plant can't be much better than burning gasoline. That though, is in the works and improving with wind, solar, etc. Sp, it comes down to practicality. Is it? Maybe.

When we had two cars, one could easily have been an electric with short range. My wife never went more than a few miles. It was easily parked in a spot where it could be charged. The other car though, had to have decent range as it was not uncommon to take a 200 or 300 mile trip. Unheard of a couple of years ago, but can be done.

Next months I' going on a 2800 mile trip. There will be two 700 mile legs and then a few days before return. The place I'm going to will have no charging capability. Electric would add at least an additional day each way just for charging time.

So in my case, it is not practical yet for a single car. I don't say never because things have greatly improved and should do so in the future. If my wife was still alive and driving she would be happy with a small Leaf sized car and it would work. Electric would cover at least 90% of my driving these days too but no easy answer for the long trips. I bought a Genesis for comfort so don't want to rent something lees because it is gas powered.

I'd like to see fuel cell technology. Meantime, not for me just yet, but it could happen in the future.

 

[YEH]

Should be expecting a BEV sedan and CUV from Genesis and hopefully, a production version of the Essentia.

Think the buyers for BEVs will be limited/niche for a good while longer (many having non-BEV vehicles in their garage/driveway).

Can also wait/go for the compromise - hybrid or PHEV (should be seeing one or both for the new G80 and GV80).

We may also see an FCEV variant as well.

Personally, think it's not worth it to lug heavy batteries around (kinda defeats the purpose) if using ICE most of the time.

So think the most cost-effective and efficient alternative is a full 48V hybrid system - which can power the drivetrain at lower speeds for short distances (so, well suited for stop and go traffic).

The new Sonata hybrid has solar panels on the roof which (based on 6 hours of charging a day) allows for 800 miles of range per year.

The cost of the solar panel roof is likely not cost-effective for most, but would be interesting to see that tied to a 48V hybrid system (smaller battery, so lighter weight).

 

[EdP]

The new Sonata hybrid has solar panels on the roof which (based on 6 hours of charging a day) allows for 800 miles of range per year.

The cost of the solar panel roof is likely not cost-effective for most, but would be interesting to see that tied to a 48V hybrid system (smaller battery, so lighter weight).

While probably not cost effective, I bet it is a feature that hopefully will get a lot of "greenies" into the showroom. Maybe by the third generation it will be up to 2400 miles.

During the day, my car sits in the garage if not being used. I wonder of left in the sun the added charge would be lost from the additional AC needed?

 

[idlemind]

All good input. So a thought came to mind. I wonder if there was a similar debate going on when moving from horse and carriage, to automobiles. I don't know if that's a fair comparison or not, or if there was any type of push back. Just a random thought.
Regarding taxes I thought about that as well. I remember listening to a report on NPR sometime last year regarding that issue. I really don't know what would be fair, and sustainable regarding that issue. Maybe add a tax to tires when they are being purchased for an electric car, or tack it on to their auto insurance renewals?

 

[MrMegadeth]

One major issue with electric vehicles, esp. in the early years are rare earth metals. EVs, cells phones, and other things with LiPo and Li-Ion batteries are consuming them in mass quantities. Plus the massive need for gold and a few other metals. The search for these is destroying many countries, e.g. China and some African. Sure, we aren't producing greenhouse gases at the tail pipe but we are with the tractors and trains used to dig and haul ore. The recycling of the batteries in a large enough quantity to sustain a ramp up is many, many years away. There are no free lunches, ever.

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[Dai Uy Ted]

After all these years, Genesis still doesn't even have an SUV or crossover in the dealerships, despite demand. How long do you suppose it would take them to offer an EV?

 

[EdP]

After all these years, Genesis still doesn't even have an SUV or crossover in the dealerships, despite demand. How long do you suppose it would take them to offer an EV?

Being first, or even early, is not always a good thing. Wonder what the market is for a Chevy Volt? I would hope Genesis does better. I don't think it is very far off though.

 

[Mcc]

After all these years, Genesis still doesn't even have an SUV or crossover in the dealerships, despite demand. How long do you suppose it would take them to offer an EV?

After how many years? Genesis has bee in existence for about 4 years. What did you expect in that timeframe?

 

[MrMegadeth]

After how many years? Genesis has bee in existence for about 4 years. What did you expect in that timeframe?

Well, I always thought it was weird that Hyundai only had the Genesis Coupe and Genesis Sedan with no CUV/SUV. I mean, really, the sedan and the coupe were worlds apart with not much in common. Then the EQUUS wasn't even a Genesis nor a Hyundai, really....

Hyundai has so many CUV/SUV in it's lineup you'd have thought something would make it to one of those old sub-brands.

 

[Mcc]

Well, I always thought it was weird that Hyundai only had the Genesis Coupe and Genesis Sedan with no CUV/SUV. I mean, really, the sedan and the coupe were worlds apart with not much in common. Then the EQUUS wasn't even a Genesis nor a Hyundai, really....

Hyundai has so many CUV/SUV in it's lineup you'd have thought something would make it to one of those old sub-brands.

I think Genesis has had its hands full with the new Genesis branded dealerships and the introduction of the G70. That being said i think the new SUV is close and I in line with their overall plan timing. There is only so much they can do at once. Easy to say, hard to do.

 

[MrMegadeth]

I think Genesis has had its hands full with the new Genesis branded dealerships and the introduction of the G70. That being said i think the new SUV is close and I in line with their overall plan timing. There is only so much they can do at once. Easy to say, hard to do.

I meant the old Genesis sub-brand, not the independent marque. The old sub-brand was relaesed in the USA in like 2008 well before the marque was even a twinkle in their eye.

 

[EdP]

I meant the old Genesis sub-brand, not the independent marque. The old sub-brand was relaesed in the USA in like 2008 well before the marque was even a twinkle in their eye.

I imagine they did not want to gussy up a FWD and had plenty to do with the new models in 2015, the new brand in 2017, the new dealers in 2019 and associated problems, plus the new G70. All that along with the original Hyundai people keeping that brand full of new models.

Would be interesting to see how some of the people here would have allocated the available funds, engineering, and marketing resources to have the SUVs in the line two years earlier.

 

[ThoughtfulOne]

I think that the best compromise given the limitations may be a Genesis PHEV.

Say the first 80 km (50 miles) with battery and the rest on fuel. For shorter trips, that has all the benefits of the EV, with no limitations of range that EVs have. Range will be shorter in the winter of course. Eventually chargers will become more common, so even those living longer can make the most of their batteries.

So think of a Chevy Volt, a higher end Genesis version.

 

[YEH]

After all these years, Genesis still doesn't even have an SUV or crossover in the dealerships, despite demand. How long do you suppose it would take them to offer an EV?

It's only going to be about 3.5 years from the time the Genesis brand was launched and the GV80 was announced as being of the models planned within its timeline.

That's pretty quick as things go in the auto industry for a model that includes both a new platform and powertrains.

Genesis has plans to launch its 1st EV by 2021, so it's not that far off into the future.

But likely will share its BEV platforms w/ Hyundai and Kia (supposedly working on 2 new BEV platforms).

The 1st Genesis EV could be a production version of the Essentia or the Mint.

The Mint likely will share its platform w/ the upcoming Hyundai retro-styled EV.

Genesis has plans for PHEV variants for its upcoming models (including the new G80), but still think the best
way to go for electrification of ICE is a 48V system (why carry 700-800 lbs of battery and an electric motor around?).

The UK now has more charging stations than petrol stations, but adoption of BEVs is still around 2%.

PHEV sales in many parts of the EU have crashed as subsidies have been taken away.