Alot of R-Specs available. Is there a problem

[427435]

I'm just running regular in my RSpec. No problems and I can't feel the loss of the 9 hp that regular fuel results in.

As for too much HP, I'm reminded of the old hot-rod adage---------------Too much is just right!!!

 

[kf4zra]

I own a 2013 R-Spec in Tampa that won't be on the used car lot any time soon.

Just turned 10k mi on her yesterday after owning it just 4 days shy of 16 months.

 

[kayv369]

I own a 2013 R-Spec in Tampa that won't be on the used car lot any time soon.

Just turned 10k mi on her yesterday after owning it just 4 days shy of 16 months.

What kinda gas are you using and what are you averaging for mpg?

 

[daviderle]

What kinda gas are you using and what are you averaging for mpg?

In the 4.6 premium every forth tank, for the R-Spec, I put premium every other tank (primarily to control the bumper soot issue).

Here is what I get (using scientific means = miles/receipt GAL):

4.6:

Best MPG: 30.7, Atlanta to Miami, at 26500 Miles, using CC, speed 75-85+
AVG Daily trip - CC: 23.4 mpg.
AVG Daily trip - Light foot : 20.1 mpg.
AVG Daily trip - Lead foot : 16.1 mpg.

R-Spec:

Best MPG: 27.2, Atlanta to Orlando at 3600 Miles, using CC, speed 75-80
AVG Daily trip - CC: 21.6 mpg.
AVG Daily trip - Light foot : 17.5 mpg.
AVG Daily trip - Lead foot : 13.8 mpg (I blame that Mustang for 'following too close'! )

AVG Daily trip = 10 miles 45 mph strait line, 9 traffic lights.
CC=Cruise Control

Hope this helps.

One other suggestion, is to keep in mind that the 3.8 has a softer suspension setup than the R-Spec so you may want to drive both to establish which one you like better.

 

[kayv369]

In the 4.6 premium every forth tank, for the R-Spec, I put premium every other tank (primarily to control the bumper soot issue).

Here is what I get (using scientific means = miles/receipt GAL):

4.6:

Best MPG: 30.7, Atlanta to Miami, at 26500 Miles, using CC, speed 75-85+
AVG Daily trip - CC: 23.4 mpg.
AVG Daily trip - Light foot : 20.1 mpg.
AVG Daily trip - Lead foot : 16.1 mpg.

R-Spec:

Best MPG: 27.2, Atlanta to Orlando at 3600 Miles, using CC, speed 75-80
AVG Daily trip - CC: 21.6 mpg.
AVG Daily trip - Light foot : 17.5 mpg.
AVG Daily trip - Lead foot : 13.8 mpg (I blame that Mustang for 'following too close'! )

AVG Daily trip = 10 miles 45 mph strait line, 9 traffic lights.
CC=Cruise Control

Hope this helps.

One other suggestion, is to keep in mind that the 3.8 has a softer suspension setup than the R-Spec so you may want to drive both to establish which one you like better.

David with the rspec or 4.6 I know things like oil changes and tune ups will cost more. But when choosing your motor did you see a benefit long term for the 8 over the 6?

 

[craigt]

One other suggestion, is to keep in mind that the 3.8 has a softer suspension setup than the R-Spec so you may want to drive both to establish which one you like better.

That is the main reason I chose the 3.8. If Hyundai offered the 5.0 with the regular suspension, it would have made me think hard about which to choose.

 

[daviderle]

David with the rspec or 4.6 I know things like oil changes and tune ups will cost more. But when choosing your motor did you see a benefit long term for the 8 over the 6?

They cost marginally more, but not by much, out of three Hyundai dealers I use (depending when I am trying to do), two of them charge $29 for an oil change for the V8 and $25 for the V6 (yes I asked ), but I use synthetic oil for both cars at $79 (old habits die hard ).

As far as tune up goes, the only major service I did on the 4.6 is $425 30k service (that is why I have three dealers as I get to play them against each other ).

As far as 8 over the 6, I do low miles (46k only on the 4.6 in almost 6 years) and come from performance orientated background, so for me paying the extra roughly 15% is very much worth it...

Both engines are nice, but V8 is in my opinion a tad smoother, quieter, a lot faster with a 'tighter ride' which hugs the road and provides a ton more fun (no disrespect to all the wonderful 3.8 owners ).

I my opinion, what is more important than cost, is first for you to consider your driving style and location, so I would suggest that if you do allot of city driving with bad roads you could lean towards the 3.8, but if you do some level of highway driving and your daily commute include some relatively decent roads, a V8 may provide you with a more rewarding experience in the long run for a modest increase in cost...

 

[kayv369]

They cost marginally more, but not by much, out of three Hyundai dealers I use (depending when I am trying to do), two of them charge $29 for an oil change for the V8 and $25 for the V6 (yes I asked ), but I use synthetic oil for both cars at $79 (old habits die hard ).

As far as tune up goes, the only major service I did on the 4.6 is $425 30k service (that is why I have three dealers as I get to play them against each other ).

As far as 8 over the 6, I do low miles (46k only on the 4.6 in almost 6 years) and come from performance orientated background, so for me paying the extra roughly 15% is very much worth it...

Both engines are nice, but V8 is in my opinion a tad smoother, quieter, a lot faster with a 'tighter ride' which hugs the road and provides a ton more fun (no disrespect to all the wonderful 3.8 owners ).

I my opinion, what is more important than cost, is first for you to consider your driving style and location, so I would suggest that if you do allot of city driving with bad roads you could lean towards the 3.8, but if you do some level of highway driving and your daily commute include some relatively decent roads, a V8 may provide you with a more rewarding experience in the long run for a modest increase in cost...

This will be my weekend car for the most part I have a 2002 passat that I use as a daily driver. 140k miles on it and climbing. I switch them out from time to time but the majority of miles go on the VW. Down in Florida the roads are primarily smooth so maybe the 8 is the better option. I am big on resale also so having something that I can trade or sell down the road and not eat money is a plus. I will definitely have to go out and drive an 8. I have never owned a newer 8 v8. I had an old 78 monte carlo with a big block v8. So David thanks very much for your info; you have shown that there really isn't a big difference in maintaining either or mpg. Going to setup a test drive this week end.

 

[craigt]

This will be my weekend car for the most part I have a 2002 passat that I use as a daily driver. 140k miles on it and climbing. I switch them out from time to time but the majority of miles go on the VW. Down in Florida the roads are primarily smooth so maybe the 8 is the better option. I am big on resale also so having something that I can trade or sell down the road and not eat money is a plus. I will definitely have to go out and drive an 8. I have never owned a newer 8 v8. I had an old 78 monte carlo with a big block v8. So David thanks very much for your info; you have shown that there really isn't a big difference in maintaining either or mpg. Going to setup a test drive this week end.

I miss my '02 Passat 1.8T (chipped w/5 speed manual). One of my fav cars I've owned.

I agree that you should drive the v8, but not sure what mpg you are comparing the 5.0 to. Both mpg that David posted are for a v8 (4.6 and 5.0). The 3.8 will get better mileage than both when driven in the same conditions. It's also better balanced (52/48) since it's 200 pounds lighter in the front. Definitely drive both back to back.

 

[daviderle]

Agreed, I would speculate that the 3.8 would give you at least an additional 3 MPG on top of the 4.6 numbers, but if you are going to use it as weekend driver, I would strongly consider the V8, as you may fill the tank once every 7th weekend instead of on the 8th week (roughly $10-$15 of extra gas a month )...

If the R-Spec is within your price range, I would drive all three 3.8, 4.6 & 5.0/R-Spec back to back and see which one you like most.

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[kf4zra]

What kinda gas are you using and what are you averaging for mpg?

When I first got it, I tried regular 87, 91, and ethanol free.

I averaged the same mileage on the 87 and 91, I could not see a difference between them in MPG or feel a difference in HP.

I swear I can feel a little more power with the E-0 gas, but that is hard to prove with a dyno. It does give me more MPG. I have been running it for the last 8 months, and had only the soot in the exhaust pipes. No soot on the bumper.

I the total mileage per tank was the lowest at 19.5 mpg/tank and the highest at 23.5 mpg/tamk on any of the E-10 grades. The lowest I have gotten from an E-0 tank was 22.5 mpg/tank and the highest was 25.5 mpg/tank. These numbers were taken from the Average Fuel Economy display at the end of the tank. I have been keeping the exact mileage with a program called A-Car on my phone and find that the actual MPG is about 1-1.5mpg lower.

I drive about 22 mi each way to/from the airport every mon and fri, about 10mi is city, and 10mi is hwy. I usually drive like grandma, but give her some love from time to time. Your driving habits have the biggest effect on mpg.

I get coupons for $10 oil changes from the dealership I purchased her from, but that is for dino oil.
I go by wally world and pick up the Mobil 1 full synthetic 5w-20 and give it to the dealer to put in the car.

I changed from the factory oil at about 1250 mi to the Mobil 1 at that point. I now change the oil at every 5k interval. I'm sure it is overkill, but it is only 2x a year for me, and I have peace of mind.

I would be willing to bet that the choice of a premium oil does more to reduce soot than any particular grade of gas. I am an engineer, but not an automotive engineer, so that is only my assumption. I have never had a ton of soot, but for me is lighter with the combo of E-0 and synthetic. I have gone 3 months without washing and not seen any soot on the bumper with the E-0 and synthetic combo.

I choose the E-0 because it has more BTU/gal and I go farther on a tank.

 

[kayv369]

When I first got it, I tried regular 87, 91, and ethanol free.

I averaged the same mileage on the 87 and 91, I could not see a difference between them in MPG or feel a difference in HP.

I swear I can feel a little more power with the E-0 gas, but that is hard to prove with a dyno. It does give me more MPG. I have been running it for the last 8 months, and had only the soot in the exhaust pipes. No soot on the bumper.

I the total mileage per tank was the lowest at 19.5 mpg/tank and the highest at 23.5 mpg/tamk on any of the E-10 grades. The lowest I have gotten from an E-0 tank was 22.5 mpg/tank and the highest was 25.5 mpg/tank. These numbers were taken from the Average Fuel Economy display at the end of the tank. I have been keeping the exact mileage with a program called A-Car on my phone and find that the actual MPG is about 1-1.5mpg lower.

I drive about 22 mi each way to/from the airport every mon and fri, about 10mi is city, and 10mi is hwy. I usually drive like grandma, but give her some love from time to time. Your driving habits have the biggest effect on mpg.

I get coupons for $10 oil changes from the dealership I purchased her from, but that is for dino oil.
I go by wally world and pick up the Mobil 1 full synthetic 5w-20 and give it to the dealer to put in the car.

I changed from the factory oil at about 1250 mi to the Mobil 1 at that point. I now change the oil at every 5k interval. I'm sure it is overkill, but it is only 2x a year for me, and I have peace of mind.

I would be willing to bet that the choice of a premium oil does more to reduce soot than any particular grade of gas. I am an engineer, but not an automotive engineer, so that is only my assumption. I have never had a ton of soot, but for me is lighter with the combo of E-0 and synthetic. I have gone 3 months without washing and not seen any soot on the bumper with the E-0 and synthetic combo.

I choose the E-0 because it has more BTU/gal and I go farther on a tank.

Sounds like my commute i travel 20 miles each way down dale mabry early morning so its pretty much a easy cruise now coming home is more stop and go. i have been curious about trying E-0 to see how the turbo in the passat world respond. but it seems now i am back to my original mindset and leaning toward the 8 cyl

 

[daviderle]

Sounds like my commute i travel 20 miles each way down dale mabry early morning so its pretty much a easy cruise now coming home is more stop and go. i have been curious about trying E-0 to see how the turbo in the passat world respond. but it seems now i am back to my original mindset and leaning toward the 8 cyl

It would be an excellent choice in any of the three configurations (3.8, 4.6 or the 5.0/R-Spec)..

Good luck with your purchase.

 

[7i bigblock]

Insurance premiums, the part unrelated to driver credit rating and traffic law history, are determined solely by loss numbers - the total amount lost due to crashes, stolen vehicles, comprehensive and the like divided by the number of vehicles involved. Cost to repair is obviously a big part of those numbers. Those are accumulated by manufacturer/model and determine the loss ratio of the vehicle.

It sounds weird but my 2000 Avalon cost more to ensure than my 2011 Santa Fe (new) and the SF cost more than my 2012 R-spec (new).

So your saying that if I own a car type that has had involvement in many claims , that Im paying for it and also of course if that car is expensive to repair I pay even more. Even if I have a good driving record. Thanks

 

[craigt]

So your saying that if I own a car type that has had involvement in many claims , that Im paying for it and also of course if that car is expensive to repair I pay even more. Even if I have a good driving record.

Yup. That passes the common sense test.