Auto Start Stop and Auto Hold

[EdP]

Doesn’t work like that, car has to be at a full stop, foot fully on brake, rpms lower then XXX for more than XXX seconds.

I’ve driven 2 cars with it and can’t ever recall idle stop turning off the car in stop and go traffic, or even at a stop sign, only at a red light pretty sure the timeout was 10-15 seconds or some such, which is a long time in stop and go traffic sounless traffic is dead stopped it won’t engage the idle stop, If you are creeping along then it won’t turn off the car, even the SCC start/stop rarely disengages on me in L.A. stop and go traffic and it’s timeout is 3 seconds.

How is the start when you want to go? Any lag?
Depends on how and where you drive, but seems like a lot of engineering and manufacturing cost for small payback.

 

[JayceM]

Emissions only matter if you breath. Seems like a lot of cars have it now and probably more in the future. I don't want to be critical of it since I never drove a car with it but it sounds like throttle lag would be a part of it. In stop and go traffic where you creep a few feet at a time it would seem to put a lot of strain on the system every 15 seconds or so. I'd have to try it.

Lol yeah I breathe, but I'm not buying my vehicle based on the emissions is my point. I'll leave that for the government and the manufacturers to deal. I have a vehicle with auto start/stop, and it doesn't bother me. It doesn't go off every 15 seconds in stop and go because there's so many different variables that have to be fulfilled. I also have no problem with take offs. Once you're used to it, it's really not bad. As soon as I take my foot off the brake, the engine cuts right back on. So you just take your foot off a half a second earlier and it's a normal take off.

 

[Mr. Incredible]

How is the start when you want to go? Any lag?
Depends on how and where you drive, but seems like a lot of engineering and manufacturing cost for small payback.

There is lag, insofar as the time from releasing the brake which restarts the car and reengages the transmission and pressing the accelerator pedal. For most people the lag isn’t apparent because it happens in the time it takes to move your foot from pedal to pedal. In my case I always pause that movement because I typically like to wait a seconds or too before entering and intersection after a green light, too many red light runners now a days.

If you also used auto hold then the lag was more apparent because you tap the accelerator and have to wait for the car to restart and reengage the transmission before the car will move, in my case again I have a habit, even with the G80’s auto hold, I tap the accel pedal to release auto hold, but wait a second or two before actually accelerating.

It’s a matter of changing your driving habits a little, but IMO if everyone took a few second pause we would avoid a lot of accidents.

The lag imo isn’t a bad thing and it is less than 2 seconds in most cases

 

[acesk8er]

Doesn’t work like that, car has to be at a full stop, foot fully on brake, rpms lower then XXX for more than XXX seconds.
I’ve driven 2 cars with it and can’t ever recall idle stop turning off the car in stop and go traffic, or even at a stop sign, only at a red light pretty sure the timeout was 10-15 seconds or some such, which is a long time in stop and go traffic sounless traffic is dead stopped it won’t engage the idle stop, If you are creeping along then it won’t turn off the car, even the SCC start/stop rarely disengages on me in L.A. stop and go traffic and it’s timeout is 3 seconds.

 

[acesk8er]

I had Infiniti Q50 and QX30 loaners with Start-Stop. Infiniti's implementation has excessive NVH and here in Florida the AC goes limp as soon as the engine stops. The biggest issue I have with it is that it reminds me of the car I learned to drive in, which tended to stall in the middle of intersections. Start-Stop can be temporarily disabled in the Infinitis but that button has to be pressed every time the car is started. In short, "Start-Stop" = "No Sale"!

 

[KusaKusa]

I heard start/stop affects the performance of the AC, so I wouldn't be a fan of it.

 

[JayceM]

I heard start/stop affects the performance of the AC, so I wouldn't be a fan of it.

It can. Mine doesn't cut off if the temperature in the car isn't at what I have it set at. So it'll only do it if your car is already cooled off, and if it starts getting too warm, it'll cut back on by itself to get the air back going before you even start going again.

 

[Beefer]

I had Infiniti Q50 and QX30 loaners with Start-Stop. Infiniti's implementation has excessive NVH and here in Florida the AC goes limp as soon as the engine stops. The biggest issue I have with it is that it reminds me of the car I learned to drive in, which tended to stall in the middle of intersections. Start-Stop can be temporarily disabled in the Infinitis but that button has to be pressed every time the car is started. In short, "Start-Stop" = "No Sale"!

This is exactly what it reminds me of and I hate it. Feels like you are driving a stick...and you are about to stall the car. Then it suddenly goes.

Thank goodness the Sport doesn't have this idiotic feature !!

 

[Mr. Incredible]

Obviously the best application for start-stop technology is a hybrid, my wife’s Camry hybrid has it in the sense that the gas motor will shut off if stopped and there is no load, ac fan continues to run and of course no lag because the electric motor moves the car from a stop.

Having driven non hybrids with the tech, I don’t care for it either.

 

[mcornett]

I had default auto stop / start in my C300.

It would not stop the engine while it was warming up, or if the battery was not fully charged. It didn't affect the A/C or any other systems.

Contrary to what some have said, it definitely turned off the engine during stop-and-go traffic and even at stop signs if I fully stopped.

However, it was flawless and the engine started up instantly upon releasing the brake. I'm not sure why people get so annoyed by the feature -- I was just happy to save any fuel I could in city driving.

I do think you should be able to disable it permanently, but I think manufacturers are required to default to 'on' if they want to claim emissions standards.

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[Mr. Incredible]

I had default auto stop / start in my C300.

It would not stop the engine while it was warming up, or if the battery was not fully charged. It didn't affect the A/C or any other systems.

Contrary to what some have said, it definitely turned off the engine during stop-and-go traffic and even at stop signs if I fully stopped.

However, it was flawless and the engine started up instantly upon releasing the brake. I'm not sure why people get so annoyed by the feature -- I was just happy to save any fuel I could in city driving.

I do think you should be able to disable it permanently, but I think manufacturers are required to default to 'on' if they want to claim emissions standards.

Depends on the manufacturer. The two cars I drove drove were rentals, an Acura and an Infinity, and they did not stop in stop and go traffic unless I came to a full and complete stop > 15 seconds. I was timing it because the system annoyed me, so I was making sure that I stopped far enough back to lift my foot off the brake to prevent it from stopping.

 

[cd793]

I'll just say that on the Genesis USA Press Release that detailed all the trims and standard features there was no mention of auto stop/start anywhere. Closest you get is Smart Cruise with Stop and Go Technology.

 

[cd793]

I wouldn't think a manual transmission would have the feature..

The 2018 Audi A4 MT has it

 

[JayceM]

I had default auto stop / start in my C300.

It would not stop the engine while it was warming up, or if the battery was not fully charged. It didn't affect the A/C or any other systems.

Contrary to what some have said, it definitely turned off the engine during stop-and-go traffic and even at stop signs if I fully stopped.

However, it was flawless and the engine started up instantly upon releasing the brake. I'm not sure why people get so annoyed by the feature -- I was just happy to save any fuel I could in city driving.

I do think you should be able to disable it permanently, but I think manufacturers are required to default to 'on' if they want to claim emissions standards.

Yeah it's manufacturer dependent. I've got a 2018 GMC Terrain Denali that has it. Everyone configures theirs differently I'm sure.

 

[EdP]

This is exactly what it reminds me of and I hate it. Feels like you are driving a stick...and you are about to stall the car. Then it suddenly goes.

Thank goodness the Sport doesn't have this idiotic feature !!

The pricing release says all models have · Idle Stop & Go (ISG
I don't see where Sport deletes it at least on this product release. .

 

[Mcc]

The pricing release says all models have · Idle Stop & Go (ISG
I don't see where Sport deletes it at least on this product release. .

Actually it doesn’t say ALL models have idle Stop & Go.
It says the G70 Advanced 2.0T RWD and above it have Smart Cruise Control with Stop & Go. Genesis defines Smart Cruise Control with Stop & Go (SCC) as: Sensors automatically maintain a speed set by the driver while keeping a safe distance from cars in front. In the event of a full stop, the vehicle restarts automatically as long as the car in front departs within 3 second.

 

[Beefer]

The pricing release says all models have · Idle Stop & Go (ISG
I don't see where Sport deletes it at least on this product release. .

Please stop making up incorrect info.

This has NOTHING to do with engine shutting off at full stop.

This CC with the ability to automatically accelerate and brake.

 

[EdP]

Before everyone panics, Actually it doesn’t say ALL models have idle Stop & Go.
It says the G70 Advanced 2.0T RWD and above it have Smart Cruise Control with Stop & Go. Genesis defines Smart Cruise Control with Stop & Go (SCC) as: Sensors automatically maintain a speed set by the driver while keeping a safe distance from cars in front. In the event of a full stop, the vehicle restarts automatically as long as the car in front departs within 3 second.

They list both.
They list the specs for the Advanced. All the other models say what they add to it. They do not note exceptions but they can exist.

Performance

· 2.0L i4 T-GDI (252HP/260lb-ft)
(255HP/260lb-ft with M/T)
· 8-speed A/T with paddle shifters & rev match
· Shift-by-Wire · Idle Stop & Go (ISG)

Safety

· Forward Collision Avoidance with Pedestrian Detection
· Smart Cruise Control with Stop & Go



This is a Kia link to it and they show it can be turned off

 

[EdP]

Please stop making up incorrect info.

This has NOTHING to do with engine shutting off at full stop.

This CC with the ability to automatically accelerate and brake.

Please read and comprehend the pricing listed in the link provided. It clearly states the base model has ISG and builds from there.

 

[Beefer]

Please read and comprehend the pricing listed in the link provided. It clearly states the base model has ISG and builds from there.

So it does have both. Sorry about that I was looking at the specs from the original trim release.

But as I have stated...the Sport does not have the idle stop crap.