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Best brake pads for the track?

TedV

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Genesis Model Year
2022
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Genesis G70
2022 G70 3.6 Sport Prestige with Brembo brakes. 8000 street/highway miles on the car. After just 65 miles of HPDE, all 4 pads were gone, down to metal, had to limp to a dealer. If anyone has experience driving this model on a track, and has found brake pads that can withstand this, please let me know. I scanned other posts and found several aftermarket suggestions, wondering which are best for the way this car is intended to be driven. I had done HPDE in my previous 2011 BMW 335i MSport, with more miles on the track and on the pads before the track, with no issues, and wrongly assumed Genesis would provided similar OEM pads.
 
Where did all these G70 3.6 come from?! Is that a secret order code most of us don't know about? ;)

Joking aside... I did an HPDE Track Day at MSR Cresson on the 3.1-mile CCW course back in Oct. 4 20-min sessions, so I'm pretty sure I did at least 20 laps and no less than the miles you ran. All except the first 10min or so were hot, though it was my first track day in the Stinger, so the morning 2 sessions were learning the long 16-turn course - and the car - and consequently not all out balls-to-the-wall.

I started with brand new EBC Bluestuff brake pads that have had less than 600 miles of very easy break-in miles, 1/2 of which were pure hwy cruising. First 100-200 miles was seating the pads to the rotors, followed by the 1st stage bedding in, per mfr's instructions. I then finished the bedding process at the track, as the required temp can realistically only be safety achieved there.

This pic was taken at the end of the Track Day. The end bevels were pretty much gone, but plenty of meat left on the friction material. I could easily do another similar track day, though attempting a 3rd one would likely not be a good idea. Once the pad is worn down to the last 1/3 or so, wear will be accelerated, as much as the twice the rate as at near-full-pad-thickness.
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My guess is that you either started with worn pads (seems unlikely with only 8000 prior miles, though not entirely impossible), or you were cooking the pads to the point of rapidly accelerated wear. To know for sure, you would need to know the conditions of your brake pads prior to the Track Day. It's always a good idea to check before any lengthy event. For us, we swap to our track wheel/tire set upon arrival at the event, so brake check is conveniently done at that point.

At any rate (pun intended), brake pads and rotors are consumables, just like tires. Picking the right components for the job helps, but high performance driving will invariably lead to higher brake wear rate. Period. That's just the nature of the beast. Brake systems do their job by converting mechanical energy to heat energy - generated by frictional materials. You will wear down your pads or your rotors, typically both. Longer lasting harder pad compounds will chew up your rotors at the track, but that might not be as noticeable. Most folks don't mic their rotors' thickness before and after event (I do :)), but brake pad wear is much easier to recognize.

I look at it as part of the cost of having fun. Just a rough estimate... my brake wear for that one Track Day is probably around 1/3 of the registration fee. Even less when all the expenses for the weekend trip were added together. Not trivial, but all part of the cost of tracking a car.

The G70 is not a sports car. The Stinger even less so. You can call them sport sedans or whatever you like. To me, they are GT cars - Grand Tourismo. Better handling and more power than the typical everyday sedans, but kinda heavy and not as sharp-edged and tunable as dedicated track weapons.
 
Thanks Volfy, I knew I would wear the brake pads significantly, just expected them to last more than 65 miles before ruining the rotors as well. I only completed 3 of 5 sessions. I heard no audible indication that the pads were low, which Genesis said I should expect, but that could be due to being drowned out by the noise of track speeds with windows down (required for passing signaling).
 
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OK, if Genesis Service dept said your pads were getting low, then you probably shouldn't have track the car with those pads. Instead of writing a long post, I found this good read on the topic: Track and Racing Brake Pad Owner's Guide | Essex Parts Services, Inc. This excerpt sums it up well:

"As a rule of thumb, the less pad material you have remaining, the faster they will burn. Pads wear at a faster rate the closer they get to the end of their service life. A full depth pad has more mass/volume. As such, it can absorb more heat than a thinner pad. For example, let’s say that when you start with brand new pads you’re using up 1mm of friction material per track session. By the time 80% of the friction material is gone, you may be wearing 1.5-2.0mm of friction material per session. Pad wear accelerates as the pad gets thinner. The closer you get to the backing plate, the more frequently you need to be checking them."

Regardless, all that matters is that you didn't have metal on metal grinding. That would have been bad.

Another thing to remember is to make sure your brake fluid is fresh. Old moisture-laden DOT4 fluid can have wet boiling temp that might be exceeded at the track. Then you'd be in a world of hurt. My Stinger still had fairly fresh DOT4 from the Brembo conversion I did, so I was okay with it. The G70 had factory fill that I'm estimating was at least 2-1/2 yrs old, so we flushed it with high-temp racing DOT4 fluid just before the event. Tracking is demanding, especially on cars that perhaps were not really designed with extensive track running in mind.

BTW, which track was this? If you don't mind me asking.
 
Genesis didn't say the pads were low. They said I should hear a high-pitched sound when applying the brakes IF they were low. I didn't hear this. I DID have metal-on-metal grinding after 3 sessions, 65 miles on the track. My whole point is that the brakes did not last nearly as long as I expected, based on my experience with another sport sedan. So before I track the car again, I want to find pads that can handle it, and it sounds like the EBC Bluestuff you used are a good candidate.

Arizona Motorsports Park, with Hooked on Driving.
 
Sorry, I misread your previous post. It's all good.

Yes, I would definitely recommend Bluestuff if you track/AutoX regularly. They were great at the track - zero fade and very linear braking force vs. pedal pressure, from 1st lap cold to plenty toasty at the end of last 20min session. And the brakes did get hot - enough to melt the plastic concentric rings that TireRack shipped with the Enkei TFR rims! Like most track-oriented pads, they do product far more brake dust than the OEM ceramic pads my used Brembo calipers came with. Our 6MT G70's Euro-Sport pads are the same way. For everyday driving, the OEM Euro-Sport feels better, more civilized and is quieter. I don't see spending $800+ for the Euro-Sport pads though, as nice as they are. My guess is they are closer to EBC Yellowstuff. Bluestuff maintains its very high frictional coefficient even when cold, which is great for performance driving, but crawling through traffic, I have to be more gentle with feathering the brake pedal, or the pads will tend to grab. Not really a big deal... more a reminder that these pads are really really good at their job. :)

Depending on how much track time I expect to do on either car, I might get Bluestuff again, or try YellowStuff next.
 
Thanks for the recommendation @Volfy
@TedV if you are looking to purchase remember you can get 10% discount with code FORUM10USER through the linked retailers in our signature.

Bluestuff would be my recommendation if tracking at all, Yellowstuff was previously our entry level track/ street pad but we have dedicated Yellow now to fast street and Blue as our track/ street pad whilst we develop the RP series and the SR series range of track focused race pads. unfortunately these are not yet available for the Genesis but with an ever expanding range may one day be available, but bluestuff will do well for your use.
 
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