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Bluelink?

Billfz1

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Ok what is the scoop on Bluelink? Is it an onstar look alike or is there more to it? Are these systems going to be used to tattle on us when we misbehave? I have never wanted someone to be able to enter my car remotely. Call me paranoid but when will they start just mailing us tickets based on what our black box telemetry says?
Bill
 
I don't know a whole lot about what Blue Link does and does not do. I do know that it is not available on the 2013 Equus Signature which I find a bit surprising since it is available on the much cheaper Sonata.

I do know that the Signature has a black box, however. So if I get in an accident while driving over the speed limit I'm toast. A good reason to stay within the limit.

I don't know if my 2009 Genesis had a black box but my older (I think it was a 2005) Chrysler 300 had one. So these black boxes have been around for a while. I'm sure the day is coming when you won't be able to buy a car without one.

I understand your paranoia. Big Brother is everywhere. I used to work for Big Brother.
 
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"Black boxes" have been common in vehicles over the past few years. However, there is a change in the wind, and it's not good. The 'data recorder' in your vehicle, will essentially belong to the insurance company that insures your vehicle. That and the data that is being recorded...

"There's no opt-out. It's extremely difficult for car owners to disable the recorders. Although some vehicle models have had recorders since the early 1990s, a federal requirement that automakers disclose their existence in owner's manuals didn't go into effect until three months ago. Automakers who voluntarily put recorders in vehicles are also now required to gather a minimum of 15 types of data.

Besides the upcoming proposal to put recorders in all new vehicles, the traffic safety administration is also considering expanding the data requirement to include as many as 30 additional types of data such as whether the vehicle's electronic stability control was engaged, the driver's seat position or whether the front-seat passenger was belted in. Some manufacturers already are collecting the information. Engineers have identified more than 80 data points that might be useful...."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/07/car-black-box_n_2255110.html



I don't know a whole lot about what Blue Link does and does not do. I do know that it is not available on the 2013 Equus Signature which I find a bit surprising since it is available on the much cheaper Sonata.

I do know that the Signature has a black box, however. So if I get in an accident while driving over the speed limit I'm toast. A good reason to stay within the limit.

I don't know if my 2009 Genesis had a black box but my older (I think it was a 2005) Chrysler 300 had one. So these black boxes have been around for a while. I'm sure the day is coming when you won't be able to buy a car without one.

I understand your paranoia. Big Brother is everywhere. I used to work for Big Brother.
 
I work in the networking/internet security space, and even 5 or 6 years ago the experts were saying that hackers will one day be able to access cars via Internet enabled tools (e.g. Bluelink), causing all sorts of mischief and potentially even terrorist acts.

Not to be a fear monger, but its not too far fetched to think a hacker could theoretically stop all the cars in a geographic area that have the anti-theft feature, for example.

Not specific to Bluelink, but any and all similar services would have this risk, albeit theoretical.
 
It's already been done

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/03/hacker-bricks-cars/



I work in the networking/internet security space, and even 5 or 6 years ago the experts were saying that hackers will one day be able to access cars via Internet enabled tools (e.g. Bluelink), causing all sorts of mischief and potentially even terrorist acts.

Not to be a fear monger, but its not too far fetched to think a hacker could theoretically stop all the cars in a geographic area that have the anti-theft feature, for example.

Not specific to Bluelink, but any and all similar services would have this risk, albeit theoretical.
 
The key there is that it requires a special electronic box to be installed in the cars pre-delivery. The car's own electronics do not allow remote management.
 
The key there is that it requires a special electronic box to be installed in the cars pre-delivery. The car's own electronics do not allow remote management.

Tuna,
I would have to disagree with you on that. If the car can be remote started then just about anything can be done. I don't know if bluelink has all the same options but a on-star customer can have their car " turned off" even while running to foil a robbery with the owners code. The onstar or bluelink system IS the pre-installed electronic box. It comes with the car and can be made operational in the field, which indicates that ALL our cars are potentials for hacking.
Bill
 
If the car is INTERNET connected, it's hack-able.
 
Tuna,
I would have to disagree with you on that. If the car can be remote started then just about anything can be done. I don't know if bluelink has all the same options but a on-star customer can have their car " turned off" even while running to foil a robbery with the owners code. The onstar or bluelink system IS the pre-installed electronic box. It comes with the car and can be made operational in the field, which indicates that ALL our cars are potentials for hacking.
Bill

Only certain features are "remotable". Engine start, door locks and heat-cool are about the only features currently available. If you are concerned about auto theft it would be much better to install a tracking system like LoJack (or use Onstar).

The Onstar and Bluelink capabilities have to be installed on the car at manufacturing time and LoJack is an aftermarket tracking device available to any vehicle including motorcycles and even laptops. It does not have remote control functions.

There are disabling devices that will not permit operation of the ignition or fuel systems without the proper codes from a key fob but apparently these can now be hacked without too much trouble.

The Internet is not now used to control vehicle operation. The "cloud" is now used only for infotainment functions and reporting of things like airbag deployment. I seriously doubt any manufacturer will allow essential vehicle management functions to be intercepted via RF or Internet and I, for one, would never allow this capability in my vehicles.

Some else mentioned onboard recording devices (such as Progressive's data recorder Snapshot). These are obviously voluntary and connect to the OBD port on all vehicles. They measure things like time of day, brake application force, acceleration force and mileage. These items are already being recorded on manufacturers devices in your vehicle. The Snapshot just allows transmitting to the insurance company so they can monitor your driving habits and thus qualify you for lower insurance rates. While the data recorded (and transmitted) to Progressive is "owned" by them it does not follow that the remainder of the data collected by your onboard vehicle recorder is. That data is now the subject of several court challenges with regard as to its use in accident investigation and malfunction claims.
 
Only certain features are "remotable". Engine start, door locks and heat-cool are about the only features currently available. If you are concerned about auto theft it would be much better to install a tracking system like LoJack (or use Onstar).

The Onstar and Bluelink capabilities have to be installed on the car at manufacturing time and LoJack is an aftermarket tracking device available to any vehicle including motorcycles and even laptops. It does not have remote control functions.

There are disabling devices that will not permit operation of the ignition or fuel systems without the proper codes from a key fob but apparently these can now be hacked without too much trouble.

The Internet is not now used to control vehicle operation. The "cloud" is now used only for infotainment functions and reporting of things like airbag deployment. I seriously doubt any manufacturer will allow essential vehicle management functions to be intercepted via RF or Internet and I, for one, would never allow this capability in my vehicles.

Some else mentioned onboard recording devices (such as Progressive's data recorder Snapshot). These are obviously voluntary and connect to the OBD port on all vehicles. They measure things like time of day, brake application force, acceleration force and mileage. These items are already being recorded on manufacturers devices in your vehicle. The Snapshot just allows transmitting to the insurance company so they can monitor your driving habits and thus qualify you for lower insurance rates. While the data recorded (and transmitted) to Progressive is "owned" by them it does not follow that the remainder of the data collected by your onboard vehicle recorder is. That data is now the subject of several court challenges with regard as to its use in accident investigation and malfunction claims.

Heat-Cool? Not sure what version of Bluelink you have because I do not have any option via the app called heat-cool.
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