Chicago freezes Teslas out!

[Trixie86]

Reminds you of the long gas lines from years ago.

That problem was solved. This one will be too. New technology will bring the charge times to about 10 minutes and driving distance more than a tank of gas.

By then, the car keys would've been taken away from me already.

 

[Alfer]

Reminds you of the long gas lines from years ago.

That problem was solved. This one will be too. New technology will bring the charge times to about 10 minutes and driving distance more than a tank of gas.

Possibly, but doubt it will be in our lifetime.

Also, what kind of eco pollution will all these dead batteries cause down the road. Mother Earth will not appreciate that.

 

[PMCErnie]

Reminds you of the long gas lines from years ago.

That problem was solved. This one will be too. New technology will bring the charge times to about 10 minutes and driving distance more than a tank of gas.

No doubt you are right, Ed. Someday, Someway. But not for many of us today. Why be a guinea pig? Think for a few moments why you moved to Florida.

 

[EdP]

Possibly, but doubt it will be in our lifetime.

Also, what kind of eco pollution will all these dead batteries cause down the road. Mother Earth will not appreciate that.

It is being done small scale already. I certainly hope you are still with us in 2027

Toyota says EVs will charge to near-full in 10 minutes by 2027

Not impressed? A British start-up is showing off a Lotus-esque concept it says can top up its max 250 km of range in under six minutes

driving.ca

There is recycling done on batteries but I don't know the future on it. Of course, it will lessen the pollution from the oil industry as that demand lessens.

 

[GeeVee7T]

One huge problem is that when you pull into an EV charging station it can be a raucous free for all to plug in. At best it can be a polite LONG WAIT. I, for one, wouldn’t want to be at the mercy of an EV charger in downtown Chicago in the depth of endless winter.

Right?! Like if I gotta wait 3mins... 3 *MINUTES* for a gas pump I get torqued and cranky. Lol.

I am clearly *not* the intended target demographic for EV marketing.

 

[GeeVee7T]

Until I can charge a car to full in under 10 minutes like I can with a "dino car", and until I can find a "filling" station on every corner of every town like I can with my "dino car", when I don't have to invest $2k+ to put a decent charger in my garage, and until it doesn't cost 5 figures to replace a battery in an EV when it dies at potentially less than 100K miles, I'll stick with my "dino car" and enjoy every minute of stress free filling up and driving.

I wish there was a bigger THUMBS UP EMOJI for this one I could click on...

Let's be serious for a minute. "In a hundred years we'll all be dead." So why should I spend 20 years of it waiting to charge my EV? I'm all for moving in the right direction, save the planet, we don't *leave* the planet for our children we *borrow* it from them... I get all that. But I honestly feel like the current state of EV infrastructure and tech, as a planet saving choice, is like us jumping from a burning building without at least looking out the window first.

Like... can we at least kick a couple mattresses over to break my fall first?

 

[GeeVee7T]

It is being done small scale already. I certainly hope you are still with us in 2027

Toyota says EVs will charge to near-full in 10 minutes by 2027

Not impressed? A British start-up is showing off a Lotus-esque concept it says can top up its max 250 km of range in under six minutes

driving.ca

There is recycling done on batteries but I don't know the future on it. Of course, it will lessen the pollution from the oil industry as that demand lessens.

Cool article.

Fortunately their forecast is within the 2035 scheduled death-date for most ICE engines! I'm no fossil fanatic - if someone can make an EV as convenient, powerful, and cost effective as an ICE car, I'd buy it for sure! I already own a number of battery powered tools for example for the same reason. Sadly I don't personally see EV's meeting that threshold for me just yet. Maybe soon - that AI news about it figuring out how to improve lithium batteries struck me as very hopeful!

 

[Trixie86]

Cool article.

Fortunately their forecast is within the 2035 scheduled death-date for most ICE engines! I'm no fossil fanatic - if someone can make an EV as convenient, powerful, and cost effective as an ICE car, I'd buy it for sure! I already own a number of battery powered tools for example for the same reason. Sadly I don't personally see EV's meeting that threshold for me just yet. Maybe soon - that AI news about it figuring out how to improve lithium batteries struck me as very hopeful!

I concur.

 

[Husky]

I remember those long lines well. It was a pain in the ass to be sure, but people weren't running around saying they're done with internal combustion.

 

[EdP]

I wish there was a bigger THUMBS UP EMOJI for this one I could click on...

Let's be serious for a minute. "In a hundred years we'll all be dead." So why should I spend 20 years of it waiting to charge my EV? I'm all for moving in the right direction, save the planet, we don't *leave* the planet for our children we *borrow* it from them... I get all that. But I honestly feel like the current state of EV infrastructure and tech, as a planet saving choice, is like us jumping from a burning building without at least looking out the window first.

Like... can we at least kick a couple mattresses over to break my fall first?

Fortunately, there are a lot of people acting as that mattress for you. They are the present EV owners that are funding the research and giving reason to find better methods. They fund it by buying into the product. It is far from perfect but there is no reason to trash the idea and stop doing better.

People ridiculed many of the modern conveniences we take for granted and use every day. I just read that there are 150 charging stations going on line every day. None of us here now had to stop at hardware stores and drug stores to buy naphtha to fuel our cars like they did a century ago.

Look at the things we complain about here on a regular basis. Like having to push a button on things we want automated. Not many years ago to lock your car you pushed four buttons! Roll up four windows with a crank.

It is an evolution and it will take time.

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[Trixie86]

Fortunately, there are a lot of people acting as that mattress for you. They are the present EV owners that are funding the research and giving reason to find better methods. They fund it by buying into the product. It is far from perfect but there is no reason to trash the idea and stop doing better.

People ridiculed many of the modern conveniences we take for granted and use every day. I just read that there are 150 charging stations going on line every day. None of us here now had to stop at hardware stores and drug stores to buy naphtha to fuel our cars like they did a century ago.

Look at the things we complain about here on a regular basis. Like having to push a button on things we want automated. Not many years ago to lock your car you pushed four buttons! Roll up four windows with a crank.

It is an evolution and it will take time.

And how did we survive the 460 ac!?

 

[PMCErnie]

I remember those long lines well. It was a pain in the ass to be sure, but people weren't running around saying they're done with internal combustion.

Sure, but winter comes every year, especially in places like Chicago.

 

[Alfer]

NBC's national news highlighted this Chicago EV mess last night and they met up with a guy who was trying to charge up his EV and he told the reporter he is trading in his for an ICE car, he said he was tired of dealing with EV's.

 

[EdP]

Sure, but winter comes every year, especially in places like Chicago.

Norway is not having the problem

MSN

 

[PMCErnie]

Norway is not having the problem

MSN

Norway is not Chicago and not the USA. Private homes predominate in Norway too.

Read about unique Norway.

What Norway’s experience reveals about the EV charging market

In 2022, 80 percent of new passenger cars purchased in Norway were EVs. What can we learn from their experience scaling charging infrastructure to meet demand?

www.mckinsey.com

Why Norway — the poster child for electric cars — is having second thoughts

Electric cars are crucial, but not enough to solve climate change. We can’t let them crowd out car-free transit options.

www.vox.com

 

[Looney100]

Oh my... So much to unpack here.

I find it amusing that so much of the content in this sub-forum is anti-EV and largely generated by the same two folks. There are Genesis EV sub-forums here, where one could read and get an understanding of actual owner experiences.

“A surge of stranded electric vehicles, predominantly Tesla cars, has overtaken the Oak Brook Supercharger station in Chicago, as a severe cold snap renders many EVs powerless and immobile.”

'A Bunch of Dead Robots:' Frigid Chicago Temps Turn EV Charging Stations into 'Car Graveyards'

A surge of stranded electric vehicles, predominantly Tesla cars, has overtaken the Oak Brook Supercharger station in Chicago, as a severe cold snap renders many EVs powerless and immobile.

www.breitbart.com

Yup. Road-trip charging is the Achilles heel of EVs. It's plain awful. A ridiculously high percentage of chargers is down at any given moment, and those that run seem to rarely deliver the charge speeds they should.

I get it. You don't like EVs. So stick to your dinosaur remains powered vehicle and leave us alone!

Actually, oil DOESN'T come from dinosaurs. There you go, at least one thing that folks will learn from this post.

I find it a bit amusing to see how the EV world can't hold up to weather issues like this and power outages etc.

How close are you to a gas station that works without electricity? I'm not aware of any gasoline-powered pumps.

So anyone who reports about this mess that actually happened is biased?

No, but you certainly are. Every EV-related post I've seen from you squarely falls on one side.

This Earth we live on is 4.5 billion years old and chugging along just fine. The whole "climate change" (world is ending soon!) all because of mankind is a total farce IMO. Every year for decades someone says "world will freeze over in 10 years!" or "World is going to melt!" and none of it rings true. It's all just a money grab for a certain sect of folks who love to fear monger.

This is absolute nonsense. The existence of anthropogenic climate change is undeniable. Sure, let's talk about what we should be doing about it, and how significant an impact driving EVs will be. But denying the problem given the overwhelming evidence is ridiculous.

Until I can charge a car to full in under 10 minutes like I can with a "dino car", and until I can find a "filling" station on every corner of every town like I can with my "dino car", when I don't have to invest $2k+ to put a decent charger in my garage, and until it doesn't cost 5 figures to replace a battery in an EV when it dies at potentially less than 100K miles, I'll stick with my "dino car" and enjoy every minute of stress free filling up and driving.

The $2K charger and eventual battery replacement cost arguments are red-herrings. Expensive chargers are not needed, nor is a pack replacement likely for anything being purchased these days.

I've done some math, and calculated that the average driver will spend ~three hours a year pumping gas. I suspect I've spent about 10% of that each year charging my car. Most charging is done at home, taking just a few seconds of driver time to plug in. If refueling time is so critically important to you, you should already be driving an EV.

Possibly, but doubt it will be in our lifetime.

Also, what kind of eco pollution will all these dead batteries cause down the road. Mother Earth will not appreciate that.

This may be another very valid criticism. It's been a couple years since I've seen details on this, but the situation as I was last aware of it was that recyclers have started to collect and retain old batteries in anticipation of recycling at scale, but that there wasn't anything significant being done at the moment.
I would expect that as EVs become more predominant, material costs will rise, driving increasing financial incentive for recycling of lithium batteries. There are existing means of disposing of & containing hazardous materials that can be readily employed for batteries, so that their components don't leach into the environment, so I think this is more about circularity/efficiency than harm at time of disposal

 

[EdP]

This may be another very valid criticism. It's been a couple years since I've seen details on this, but the situation as I was last aware of it was that recyclers have started to collect and retain old batteries in anticipation of recycling at scale, but that there wasn't anything significant being done at the moment.
I would expect that as EVs become more predominant, material costs will rise, driving increasing financial incentive for recycling of lithium batteries. There are existing means of disposing of & containing hazardous materials that can be readily employed for batteries, so that their components don't leach into the environment, so I think this is more about circularity/efficiency than harm at time of disposal

Two scenarios.
I've read that the batteries are over 90% recyclable.
Next generation solid state batteries will not use lithium or cobalt. 600 mile range, 10 minute charge.

 

[Looney100]

Two scenarios.
I've read that the batteries are over 90% recyclable.
Next generation solid state batteries will not use lithium or cobalt. 600 mile range, 10 minute charge.

Unfortunately, RECYCLABLE does not equal RECYCLED.
Economics will determine whether it’s recycled or not.
Motor oil is 100% recyclable, but it’s almost never done because virgin material is so cheap, and no one likes the idea of running ‘used oil’ in their vehicle.

I‘m not holding my breath on solid state batteries.

 

[Husky]

There's all kinds of interesting EV news out there

https://electrek.co/2024/02/05/volvo-17-straight-months-growth-ev-sales/

Tested: The 2025 Porsche Taycan Charges From 8% To 80% In Just 16 Minutes

It's also a range king now, boasting 300 miles of range in terrible driving conditions—and maybe up to 364 miles in better ones.

insideevs.com