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Depreciation

Per JD power own website. It resale ratings are "expected" resell values based on information it gathers on previous models performance. Hence why I call it an "prediction".

:ROFLMAO:

Did you not take all of two seconds to click on that link to realize that it's an entirely different list of vehicles?

Those are the predicted values of the cars made at the time they are sold. It is not the 3-year measurement of resale values for used 2017 vehicles in 2020 like what was linked in the first page. Let me refresh your memory.

For the 2020 award process, 270 vehicle models were evaluated using a sample of more than 592,000 transactions with an average of 2,200 data points assessed on each vehicle. The award selection process utilizes used vehicle wholesale prices, which represent how much a dealer pays for a used vehicle. These prices are then divided by the vehicle’s original purchase price. These calculations are based on wholesale records from May through September 2020 for vehicles that are three years old. For the 2020 calculation, 2017 is the applicable model year.

I'm going to assume that was a genuine misunderstanding on your part. If not, then :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
 
Bad experience?
Issues with an Azera - cold start engine sounded like it was coming apart. Dealer told me I'd have to pay some absurd amount to tear down and diagnose before they would consider any warranty issue. I traded the car.
 
:ROFLMAO:

Did you not take all of two seconds to click on that link to realize that it's an entirely different list of vehicles?

Those are the predicted values of the cars made at the time they are sold. It is not the 3-year measurement of resale values for used 2017 vehicles in 2020 like what was linked in the first page. Let me refresh your memory.



I'm going to assume that was a genuine misunderstanding on your part. If not, then :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:
LOL. You maybe right on that account.:)

Your link does have the Genesis G90 predicted as the best resale value in 2020, which I assume is based on data JD Power acquired from 2017 up on till now.

Well, to be honest not many used low mileage Lexus LS models are available for sale in my area compared to other luxury makes which is probably why the prices are higher than it should be according to JD Power data. Most owners in my area seems to keep Lexus LS models for a long time(over 5 years) , therefore usually do not sell them every 3-5 years with low mileage.

In comparison, the Genesis G90 is easy to find in my area; even with low miles. It seem like they are mostly leased instead of purchased outright and most leases are up in about 2-3 years which flood the market with used G90 when they are returned to the dealerships; which may drive down the G90 value like in my area.

Just speculative on my part.

All I know is that used 2017-2018 G90 Ultimate models can be purchased for less than $35k with low miles and they are plentiful in my area. Good or bad; the G90 loses half its value in three years in certain regions like mine. That is all I know regardless if JD power gives it a resale value award. Maybe the G90 resale prices are stronger in your area, but not in the Atlanta area.

As for the Genesis G80, it seems the G80 Sport models has a very strong resale value(the same as the Lexus GS) in my area even over the higher trim G90 and G80 5.0 models. So I do take back my statement that Genesis models as a whole has poor resale value. The G80 Sport does have a strong resale value compared to other luxury makes in my area, but the G90 does not have a good resale value in my opinion. Unless you like to throw away about $35k in three years.
 
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LOL. You maybe right on that account.:)

Your link does have the Genesis G90 predicted as the best resale value in 2020, which I assume is based on data JD Power acquired from 2017 up on till now.

Well, to be honest not many used low mileage Lexus LS models are available for sale in my area compared to other luxury makes which is probably why the prices are higher than it should be according to JD Power data. Most owners in my area seems to keep Lexus LS models for a long time(over 5 years) , therefore usually do not sell them every 3-5 years with low mileage.

In comparison, the Genesis G90 is easy to find in my area; even with low miles. It seem like they are mostly leased instead of purchased outright and most leases are up in about 2-3 years which flood the market with used G90 when they are returned to the dealerships; which may drive down the G90 value like in my area.

Just speculative on my part.

All I know is that used 2017-2018 G90 Ultimate models can be purchased for less than $35k with low miles and they are plentiful in my area. Good or bad; the G90 loses half its value in three years in certain regions like mine. That is all I know regardless if JD power gives it a resale value award. Maybe the G90 resale prices are stronger in your area, but not in the Atlanta area.

As for the Genesis G80, it seems the G80 Sport models has a very strong resale value(the same as the Lexus GS) in my area even over the higher trim G90 and G80 5.0 models. So I do take back my statement that Genesis models as a whole has poor resale value. The G80 Sport does have a strong resale value compared to other luxury makes in my area, but the G90 does not have a good resale value in my opinion. Unless you like to throw away about $35k in three years.
Not to get involved with your love squabble, I'm getting $43k on my 20 G80 sport awd with 3900 miles in Chicago area trade in
 
Not to get involved with your love squabble, I'm getting $43k on my 20 G80 sport awd with 3900 miles in Chicago area trade in
How much did you pay for the 2020 G80 Sport?
 
$52800 before ttl.
How much did you actually spend on loan payments for the year on the car? That amount is what you actually lost in one year of owning(actually renting) the car.

If you purchased the car with cash or paid off the loan before trading it then you would have lost a total of about $10k.
 
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I don't know where people are getting their information. The best way to tell what you can expect in depreciation (the real giant and hidden cost of owning a car) is already on the internet IF you know where to look.

I suggest caredge to start. I have found their numbers to be pretty spot on through the years. Generally speaking certain categories and brands of vehicles will depreciate faster than others. Of course how you have treated the car, mileage, color, etc.. are always big factors that will vary with each owner. and vehicle.

What I can say is that luxury brands tend to depreciate faster than mainline vehicles. Traditionally there are certain brands that tend to be costly to own such as anything made by FCA (Chrysler, Ram, etc) and German vehicles in general. They tend to have more issues and need costly repairs after just a few years. Savvy buyers already know this and tend to shy away. With less demand for the used product the depreciation is faster. The opposite holds true for the Asian brands, specifically the Toyota brand has been the most reliable over time and that is a huge factor in them holding their value better than others. Trucks and SUV's are in demand these days so hold their value better than sedans or coupes. Check Edmunds "True cost to own" to see how a specific vehicle will depreciate if you want to know more.

Unfortunately the Korean brands have had a hard time raising their "street cred". For years Hyundai offered vehicles that were on the low end of things from price to quality. They were hard to sell used and promised the next owner lots of expensive headaches. At the corporate level they decided to raise the bar significantly about 2005 with the introduction of the Tucson. Since then they have produced some really good and some not so good vehicles but the quality in general has been going up over time. And resale values have slowly increased accordingly.

When they introduced the Genesis brand several years ago it was still wore the Hyundai badge and was sold through the Hyundai dealer network. Maybe that was a mistake because in has confused the average consumer.
One must still purchase at a Hyundai dealer even though clearly Hyundai has taken the Genesis to a much higher level and by action is clearly wanting a seat at the luxury table. With the deep pockets of Hyundai I believe they will eventually succeed, but in the meantime the public does not recognize the quality and value of the Genesis brand.

Until Hyundai solves the problem with their existing dealers and takes the big step to establish separate brick and mortar stores just for the Genesis brand resale values will suffer. Again it is about public perception. The old supply and demand equation. Right now the resale market for Genesis is tiny. Few of the most recent models will be on the market for several more years. Maybe by then the demand will have grown to the point that resale values will begin to edge up. In the meantime I would only buy a Genesis if I fully intended to keep the vehicle for more than 7 years - or buy a used one if you can find it. By that time the depreciation factor will be much less of an issue and general condition will count more.
You are spot on with your statements> That's why I got rid of my G80 Ultimate. Got tired of roof rattle after being replaced once. Also didn't care for non dedicated technicians! Elantrs one min G80 the next? I don't think they will survive if they don't fix their dealer network.
 
Lower end lux vehicles tend to have higher resale, which is why Acura repeatedly wins when it comes to resale (but its former highest priced model barring the NSX, the RLX, has horrible resale).

Resale values on Genesis (going back to the original Genesis sedan) have been on a steady climb, but should see the greatest leap with the latest offerings, esp. the GV80.

Resale on the FL G90 should be better than on the pre-FL version and should be even better for the new G90.

The G80 gets the nod for ALG Canada RVA (residual value award) in the premium full size class.

List from 2019 of least and most depreciating vehicles from iseecars.


Also, the older gen model tends to take a bigger hit when the new gen model launches, esp. if the new one is a good bit more desirable (which seems to be the case for the G80).
 
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I have a local CarMax in town so I always take my car there to see what they will pay me for it before I take it to the dealer. When I bought my 2018 G80 Sport the Genesis dealer offered me $17,000 for my 2016 Honda Accord Turing Addition. CarMax offered me $20,000 to purchase my car. The salesman asked if he could see the quote. I showed him the quote, he took it to the manager, came back and gave me $20,000. By trading it in I also saved $1000,00 in taxes because you only pay the tax on the difference of the trade. Dealers low ball the shit out of you on trades. They make a ton of money on trades if you let them. They will not loose on them. CarFax sends me a report on my car periodically. The also give me an estimated trade in value. My last report from them said my 2018 G80 with 31,000 miles is worth 29,900 in trade. I paid $50,000 even for it all in it was driven by the General Manager and had 3000 miles on it. I guess it is considered a 4 year old car now so that is 40% over 4 years. It's the first year that kills you. Every year after that you loose less as a percent.
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