Differences between US Geny and Korean (middle east package) Geny!!!

[sdunnin]

OK, I guess you think Hyundai executives and management are complete idiots for excluding features that don't actually cost more to include?. I doubt it. I think all those differences combined do cost more and is the reason they were not included, since the US version is quite a bit less expensive than KDM version. Now, I might agree with you that some of those extra features would be nice to have even if they charged a little more for the Genesis, but I guess they felt like they had to draw the line somewhere. I have a lot of reservations about HMA and their willingness to fix problems, but I don't question their marketing expertise.

The KDM version of the Genesis is not much less than the US version of Equus, which does have all those goodies (and a lot more).

Nope, never said that. I'd bet that for the most part they're pretty intelligent people, after all they do make some pretty good cars.

I was just stating my opinion on the passenger seat cooler and that the itemized cost difference for the parts needed probably isn't that much. I could be totally wrong but I'd love to be proven wrong. From all of the complaints I read on the forum about it I think that many US customers, myself included, would have paid a couple hundred bucks more for that option.

I'm sure there was a reason for omitting but on the surface it doesn't make sense.

 

[Fast55]

I would guess that seat cooling would have added a few hundred dollars at most after factoring in the money saved by not tooling up for two different passenger seat switches. As this is a very common complaint from US owners, I definitely do question their marketing expertise.

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

Yep. I'd easily paid a little more for a passenger seat that was the same as the drivers seat.

And I know the Boss wouldn't have complained. Seeing how she complains now because they ARE different.

Cost difference in that area would be minimal, if any.

 

[Mark_888]

I would guess that seat cooling would have added a few hundred dollars at most after factoring in the money saved by not tooling up for two different passenger seat switches. As this is a very common complaint from US owners, I definitely do question their marketing expertise.

I don't think "tooling up" is a factor. Many parts and systems like that are outsourced to companies who specialize in those sorts of things.

But even if a few hundred dollars could have been added to the price to cover the cost, there are quite a few features they dropped from the KDM version to keep the price significantly lower and I guess they had to draw the line somewhere. I assume they determined the maximum they wanted to charge for the Genesis, and then just started removing features until they got under that price.

 

[Mark_888]

Nope, never said that. I'd bet that for the most part they're pretty intelligent people, after all they do make some pretty good cars.

Actually, I was referring to the HMA people who made the decision of what features to have on the USA version of the Genesis. These are not the people who actually make the cars. From a marketing point of view, Hyundai Motor America has done an amazing job advancing sales in the US, and with innovative marketing plans like the Hyundai Assurance Plan (an HMA invention).

 

[Fast55]

I don't think "tooling up" is a factor. Many parts and systems like that are outsourced to companies who specialize in those sorts of things.

But even if a few hundred dollars could have been added to the price to cover the cost, there are quite a few features they dropped from the KDM version to keep the price significantly lower and I guess they had to draw the line somewhere. I assume they determined the maximum they wanted to charge for the Genesis, and then just started removing features until they got under that price.

Tooling up is definitely a factor. Whether it's Hyundai or someone they buy from, there is a cost to designing, producing, cataloguing, etc. That isn't something a supplier eats. That's not to say it would offset the cost of including a cooled passenger seat completely, but there definitely is a cost to having two different versions. Most owners would pay more to get that in both seats, so I still say that was a poor choice for cost cutting. It's a feature that is expected at this price point, even adding or subtracting a few hundred dollars.

What would impress me is if they would offer a retrofit, even if it was quite a bit more.

 

[Mark_888]

Tooling up is definitely a factor. Whether it's Hyundai or someone they buy from, there is a cost to designing, producing, cataloguing, etc. That isn't something a supplier eats. That's not to say it would offset the cost of including a cooled passenger seat completely, but there definitely is a cost to having two different versions. Most owners would pay more to get that in both seats, so I still say that was a poor choice for cost cutting. It's a feature that is expected at this price point, even adding or subtracting a few hundred dollars.

What would impress me is if they would offer a retrofit, even if it was quite a bit more.

When I said the part/system was outsourced, I meant that it is an off-the-shelf part made by someone other than Hyundai that specializes in those kinds of parts/systems that they supply for a wide variety of car manufacturers. They don't make heaters/cooling systems for seats as a one off product for each car. There is no "tooling up" involved. There may be some minor customization to fit a particular seat, but nothing major.

I sympathize with your comments in general, because there are features that I would have paid extra for, but are not included. But we bought the car, didn't we? So the Hyundai marketing people who made those decisions got the sale in our case, and kept the price down those people who didn't care about that feature and were extremely price conscious, so I cannot fault their judgment.

One of the problems with modern automobile configurations is that you usually don't get a lot of different options to chose from, you have to chose from about 3 different trim levels with various options packaged together, whether you want those particular ones or not. Sometimes you have to pay for those you don't want, or sometimes you don't get the ones you do want. There are some exceptions, but not many among the Asian manufacturers.

 

[DRS]

Dear im not teasing at all, i just liked to share with you guys, and yes its a camera for blind spot monitoring while parking, but note that in korean version we dont get 3.8 GDI and 5.0 rspec, the engine options are 3.8 MPI 290 hp and 4.6 tau, so you guys getting better engines that us, actually im sad to not own a GDI, i can give up all these stuff like camera n others to get your engines

I agree.. You should get the GDI and 5.0. It may be fuel tolerance differences? MPI in our country has been more tolerant of lower quality fuel related to contaminants in the fuel. Because of mileage and emission standards, fuel blends here have had to improve significantly in the past few years. Less contaminants and deposits on the injectors, valves and pistons.

I am sure Hyundai has its reasons for using older tech engines. I would prefer to have it all, DI and the features you list. That is my preference. Some would prefer to have the features. I consider ourselves fortunate to have lower net pricing than other countries. Once they get more popular, I expect the pricing will be raised.

 

[Gunkk]

I'm not so sure that the 5.0 GDI is a "better engine" than the 4.6 Tau.

Ultimately it will depend on one's preferences and how one perceives the relative risk/reward value of, for example, torque & power over noise & soot. When my friend bought his white 2012, I knew he would consider the soot issue as a much greater problem than any incremental power from the 5.0 over the 4.6. So for him the 4.6 was, and still is the "better engine" option. Were I to buy a 2012, I would likely not go through a dealer. I would also go with the 4.6 (platinum silver not white) for the no-soot option and the no risk of value build-up problems down the road (buying used non-CPO means no 10/100 warranty).

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

Why is soot such a big deal for you guys? I mean really? I've got soot on every car/bike I've had. carbed and FI. I don't understand it.

And as for the outsourcing, I do beleive that Hyundai does little, if any out sourcing. That's one of the things I like about their bussiness model, they try and do everything in house.

Since they already have the cooled seat for the KDM, it shouldn't be that much more to put one in the NA version.

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[Mark_888]

And as for the outsourcing, I do beleive that Hyundai does little, if any out sourcing. That's one of the things I like about their bussiness model, they try and do everything in house.

Since they already have the cooled seat for the KDM, it shouldn't be that much more to put one in the NA version.

It may not cost "that much more" but it does cost more, and there are many such features to consider, and they do add up to more cost. Obviously, HMA had some pretty strict pricing targets they were trying meet and they wanted to keep costs (and prices) as low as possible. Maybe the most important thing that they omitted on North American versions is the option for air suspension, which I think a lot of people would have paid more money for, but that was a decision that HMA made.

Regarding outsourcing of parts/systems, especially on Genesis and Equus, there are many outsourced systems:

• Audio/Video System - Harman Kardon Group (Lexicon)
• 2009-2011 Transmission - ZF or Aisin
• Oil Filtering system - MAHLE
• Keyless Start System
• Anti-Lock Brakes
• many more that I don't even know about

Modern automobile manufacturing (and really manufacturing of most products) relies heavily on the expertise of companies who specialize in making certain parts/systems. That is one reason there is not nearly as much difference in quality between one auto brand and another compared to the way it was 25 years ago.

If a fairly large percentage of the 3 million Hyundai vehicles sold each year had cooled seats, then maybe they could make their own parts/systems for that. But I suspect the percentage of Hyundai's with that feature is pretty low.

In cases where Hyundai/Kia does make parts/systems on their own, they may be a supplier to other auto manufacturers for those items.

 

[Crusty Old Shellback]

the 2012 tranny is a in house built 8 spd. They quit using the ZF after '11.

If I remember right, the window sticker on my car said something like 90 % was Korean made.

 

[Mark_888]

the 2012 tranny is a in house built 8 spd. They quit using the ZF after '11.

Sorry, I meant 2009-2011 (I made correction above) had ZF or Aisin Trannys. However, it is not clear about how much outside help Hyundai got in the design or manufacture of the current 8-speed.

If I remember right, the window sticker on my car said something like 90 % was Korean made.

OK, then I am saying the air cooled seats are part of the 10% not made in Korea .

Also, there might be some non-Hyundai companies in Korea that make some of the parts also (or at least companies located in Korea). For example, the original OEM oil filters (2009-2011) said made in Korea on them, but they were made by MANN-Hummel in Korea.

 

[sdunnin]

When I said the part/system was outsourced, I meant that it is an off-the-shelf part made by someone other than Hyundai that specializes in those kinds of parts/systems that they supply for a wide variety of car manufacturers. They don't make heaters/cooling systems for seats as a one off product for each car. There is no "tooling up" involved. There may be some minor customization to fit a particular seat, but nothing major.

I sympathize with your comments in general, because there are features that I would have paid extra for, but are not included. But we bought the car, didn't we? So the Hyundai marketing people who made those decisions got the sale in our case, and kept the price down those people who didn't care about that feature and were extremely price conscious, so I cannot fault their judgment...

I think that we can agree to disagree on how much it cost or save to omit the cooled passenger seat from the NA version. Bottom line is that it just doesn't seem like a wise place to presumably cut costs. In my opinion it seems a bit half-assed to have one front seat cooled and one not in this class of vehicle.

 

[Gunkk]

Halfassed.... good pun!

 

[Qbedobedoo]

the 2012 tranny is a in house built 8 spd.

I didn't know I drove around with a tranny in my car.. Lets hope my wife never finds out!!!

 

[shagnat]

I didn't know I drove around with a tranny in my car.. Lets hope my wife never finds out!!!

Heck with the wife..... I'm worried about my friends!!!!!