Disappointment

[cheez]

Hold it, sport! I'm a grandpa (for the third time just yesterday) and I hate the buick/lincoln/avalon ride. I want to feel the road just as much as somebody younger!

That's cool.. glad to hear you are one of the sport ride gurus like us. I know some Grand pas are real cool out there.. they drive like Mario Andretti. And I drive like Michael Schumacher... my current ride is '10 Mazdaspeed 3 and wanting to change my car.. not happy with the cheapness and ugly interior and exterior. I know the Genesis Sedan isn't exactly the best choice for spirited driving or racing but I'm so impressed with the build quality and dying to have the awesome audio system. The audio in my MS3 is so crappy it's not even funny.

 

[msitter]

I don't find the ride to be bad at all. The tires are very noisy and a lot will change when they are replaced. Harsh to me is my 07 BMW 328i with the sport pkg. It has Bridgestone Run Flats and the impact harshness is almost unbearable like it is running on solid rubber wheels. The Genesis is a little more floaty than a 5 series but nowhere as soft as the LS460 which is almost like an old Cadillac. I find the cornering to be reasonably flat and on high speed sweepers a light tap on the brake sets the front end and reduces the tendency to understeer. Overall, the ride on my 2010 4.6 tech is pretty well controlled and comfortable.

 

[OneShot]

Many people here are equating a rough ride with sports/performance handling. Others think a car with a good ride means it is a grandpa's car and not for "afficienados like us". Let's compare the: slalom speed/max G's/60-0/Decibels@70 for the Genesis, Lexus 460, and for the heck of it the BMW 750i.
Genesis 62.6/.83/117/63.5
LS 460 62.8/.80/118/58.2
750i 66.0/.84/112/66.7

Notice the whopping .2 MPH difference in slalom speed and .03 G's lateral between the LS460 and the Genesis. Boy that LS460 is a pig! If anyone here thinks they could feel those very minor differences they are delirious. So, in fact, the LS460 does handle imperceptibly worse than the Genesis, but it rides much better and is much quieter. That is a trade-off I will gladly make.
The statistics all came from the same site; Edmunds. For those who think the noise and handling is tire related- both the Lexus and Genesis had and were tested with Dunlop SP tires.
I know the Genesis is much cheaper than the Lexus, but the original poster did state he was comparing a new Genesis to a used Lexus. The price for a used LS460 is about what you'll pay for a new Genesis (I know; apples/oranges).
The Genesis is still on my list, and hopefully my current ride holds out long enough to compare the 5.0 liter 8-speed Genesis to its competition in the future.

 

[cheez]

Many people here are equating a rough ride with sports/performance handling. Others think a car with a good ride means it is a grandpa's car and not for "afficienados like us". Let's compare the: slalom speed/max G's/60-0/Decibels@70 for the Genesis, Lexus 460, and for the heck of it the BMW 750i.
Genesis 62.6/.83/117/63.5
LS 460 62.8/.80/118/58.2
750i 66.0/.84/112/66.7

Edmunds is a biased review source. It is one of the most unreputable source to rely on. They often get better numbers on worse performing cars and get poor numbers on better performing cars. They are backwards. They also do not provide all the details on how the cars were setup and how they were ran. Go try Road & Track, it's the real review site, extremely neutral too.

Issued on May of 2009 for the 2009 Genesis Sedan V8:

.86g lateral and 700-ft slalom at 63.8 mph. And that is with the "softer" suspension of the 2009 model. Expect the '10 model to be even better. Do you have the number for the 2009 LS460 from Road&Track?? Post it.

Notice the whopping .2 MPH difference in slalom speed and .03 G's lateral between the LS460 and the Genesis. Boy that LS460 is a pig! If anyone here thinks they could feel those very minor differences they are delirious.

You are making a final conclusion based on a BIASED, unreliable review site, and that is just from ONE site. Are you that dumb? If you are really 51 I'm really shocked... you should know better than that. You sound like 15.

I am also surprised that you do not understand that the general rule of thumb is that with stiffer / firmer suspension with low profile tires, which provides stiff or harsh ride, will result in better slalom speeds, meaning better handling and cornering. There is an slight exception where you can have stiff suspension with higher damping rates which will absorb sharp bumps and maintain good grip. But I doubt this applies to Lexus LS class as they meant to have cushy and "FLOATY" ride like waterbed.


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[OneShot]

Edmunds is a biased review source. It is one of the most unreputable source to rely on. They often get better numbers on worse performing cars and get poor numbers on better performing cars. They are backwards. They also do not provide all the details on how the cars were setup and how they were ran. Go try Road & Track, it's the real review site, extremely neutral too.
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Name calling and unsubstantiated claims are resorts of the weak. Since you don't like what Edmunds says you call them biased. Post up any of these commonly known biases, so we can examine. I'd post Road&Track figures on the Lexus but they don't have them. Edmunds does, in fact, give detailed testing data, unlike most other sites. I only picked Edmunds because they had fair tests on cars that were being discussed, I welcome your same-source comparisons!

.86g lateral and 700-ft slalom at 63.8 mph. And that is with the "softer" suspension of the 2009 model. Expect the '10 model to be even better. Do you have the number for the 2009 LS460 from Road&Track?? Post it.
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You've mentioned the "softer" 2009 suspension now several times. You have it backwards. The early 2009 suspension was harsher (search the forum). Hyundai must've figured out they had a problem as they made a mid-2009 change to try to correct the problem. The late 2009 and 2010 models are better, but have still been the source of complaints.

I am also surprised that you do not understand that the general rule of thumb is that with stiffer / firmer suspension with low profile tires, which provides stiff or harsh ride, will result in better slalom speeds, meaning better handling and cornering. There is an slight exception where you can have stiff suspension with higher damping rates which will absorb sharp bumps and maintain good grip. But I doubt this applies to Lexus LS class as they meant to have cushy and "FLOATY" ride like waterbed.
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You sir have have completely missed my point. Anyone can market a "low profile tired, stiffly suspensioned car with higher damping rates" that goes through the slalom rapidly and generates high G's. The good cars are ones that can generate the same numbers AND deliver a comfortable ride. Cars with badly designed suspensions might put up good numbers on a smooth track, but on the street become unsettled and do anything but inspire confidence. My point is the LS460 does well at the track and on the street, and the Genesis' suspension is the source of much debate.

I see you're a new member to this site and might be unfamiliar with the decorum. The forum members here seem, for the most part, to be considerate, intelligent and some even have open minds. You do yourself no favors by childish name calling, posting opinions and wishes as fact, and trying to impress us with less than rudimentary knowledge of the subject matter. In subsequent posts I hope you do better!

 

[dg_moore]

I see you're a new member to this site and might be unfamiliar with the decorum. The forum members here seem, for the most part, to be considerate, intelligent and some even have open minds. You do yourself no favors by childish name calling, posting opinions and wishes as fact, and trying to impress us with less than rudimentary knowledge of the subject matter. In subsequent posts I hope you do better!

Out of curiosity I visited the profile of the individual in question and noted that nobody has 'befriended' him. I wonder why...

 

[johnpagegarrett]

Rover,

You're wasting our time with your post. Go bother someone else. For all we know you're just a troll from another car company.

I second that motion. If you don't like the product, why are you at a Genesis board? Nothing better to do?

 

[johnpagegarrett]

she "hates the suspension even more than me"

Hey Rover (David)

Although I am mostly pleased with my 09, had I taken a better test ride, and felt just how bad (read HARSH) the suspension was, I probably would not have purchased either.
This is the only thing I hate about the car.

Although my wife is getting to like the car more, now that we have owned it for 18 months or so, whenever we go over bumps, she states words something like "what the heck is wrong with this car"? She hates the suspension even more than me.

Your own wife hates you?
Have you considered counseling?

 

[Onedurwho]

At least she hates him less than the suspension. Guess he's "not as harsh"! LOL

 

[doug725]

Rover - with a few notable exceptions you won't get much intelligent feedback to this question in here so you'd do best to trust your gut instinct and look to another vehicle without the odd and inconsistent ride qualities of the Genesis. The simple truth is that the Genesis -even with the 2010 improvements to the suspension - has not quite mastered the handlng/ride balance and remains a work in progress.

Wow thanks for the kind words:-( I have no affiliation to any car company and am a technical manager at a plastics company. I have owned Infiniti Q45's since the 1994 active suspension model and two of the second generation models, a 1998 and a 2000 anniversary edition with the selectable suspension.

For months now I have coveted a Genesis as its body style almost seems to look as how the second generation Q45 could have evolved. The horizontal bars on the grill are similar to the Nissan Cima on which my Q45 is based.

As I mentioned I put a short list of cars together, have done my road test review research and have now test drove each of them. The reason for my post was to try to understand what I experienced in terms of the ride. At first I thought that the dealership may have been offering a 2009 as a 2010 but I checked the vin number and it is definitely a 2010. It had 18 inch wheels which are not too aggressive and so I was at a loss to understand why the ride was so strange. Let me elaborate.

Over sharp single bumps due to two mismatched sections of concrete pavement, the rear end seemed to crash with a very sudden thump which was easily felt. Over a series of bumps the rear end seemed to almost bounce in that it had a lot of what I consider to be excess vertical movement.

Given that this was a 2010, I was trying to understand by posting whether this is normal for the vehicle or maybe the one I test drove was faulty. I guess I can try another dealership and find out. In my road test reviews, although the ride did not get top marks, I did not find any mention of the 2010's having the characteristics I observed.

I apologize if I offended anyone with my post, as that was unintentional and I am still considering the Genesis but will need to carry out some additional test drives.

Can anyone advise if the 2010 3.8's and 4.6's have the same suspension set up or are there differences

Regards,

David

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[dg_moore]

Rover - with a few notable exceptions you won't get much intelligent feedback to this question in here so you'd do best to trust your gut instinct and look to another vehicle without the odd and inconsistent ride qualities of the Genesis. The simple truth is that the Genesis -even with the 2010 improvements to the suspension - has not quite mastered the handlng/ride balance and remains a work in progress.

I don't know where/how you guys are driving, but I haven't noticed a hint of any kind of problem in my daily driving (highway/suburban/city street mix, partly on some poorly maintained roads). I haven't tried Pike's Peak yet, or El Camino de la Muerte in Bolivia, so maybe I haven't encountered the kind of road surfaces that cause the problems you cite.

 

[Vince2]

Rover, I've had this car for three months I wouldn't buy it again. The ride is just too stiff for me. The thing that really gets me is (and certainly I've got lots of company on this forum) that with the exception of the ride (a BIG exception) I really like this car...Hyundai should just offer an option of an alternate spring/shock set up. Let me decide wether I want a shockless sled or a floater. I'm hoping that a reasonable after market solution surfaces. Even at the cost of thousands of dollars, If a solution doesn't surface soon (first of the new year for me) then I'll sell it for a loss and buy the Lexus I was considering before going down the Hyundai road. Listen to this forum and don't make the mistake I did.

 

[Yama1yzf]

You would think by now any hyundai sales person worth their salt would know about the overinflation from the factory or wherever and make sure they don't send prospective buyers out there with them that way. I know I wouldn't. Alas after taking delivery of my car I found the tires grossly overinflated (48 PSI when the preferred setting is 33PSI). And while it made a huge difference it does not change the fundamental problem that despite the high quality components (Sachs) and design (Multi link) that the suspension tuning itself was just not well though out.

That said If I took a test drive in all of those cars and did not like the ride of the Genesis I simply wouldn't buy it. You will never be satisfied with your purchase.

 

[dg_moore]

... My wife who rode in the back seat said it was "terrible". Over single large bumps it transmitted a lot of road shock.

We just returned from a 600-mile round trip to NC. My brother rode in the back seat all the way and remarked that it was the most comfortable ride he could remember.

Like ice cream flavors and paint colors, everybody has his/her own likes and dislikes.

 

[sarge]

I apologize if I offended anyone with my post, as that was unintentional and I am still considering the Genesis but will need to carry out some additional test drives.

Can anyone advise if the 2010 3.8's and 4.6's have the same suspension set up or are there differences

Regards,

David

No need for apologies, as there was nothing offensive about your post. As for it being a waste of anyones time - nonsense. Accurate, constructive criticism is a perfectly legitimate reason for posting on this forum.

The Genesis is a consumer product - one that suffers a significant number of manufacturing/desing flaws. Loyalty to a brand is misplaced, especially if the loyalty is blind. Thanks for providing a reasonable comparison between those four vehicles.*



*disclaimer: I drive an 09 4.6. It is a lemon, but the Genesis product line is composed of beautiful sports sedans at relatively inexpensive prices.

 

[gameday22]

I love the way my 2010 Genesis performs and rides so far to date. It's very reminiscent of the way my G35 performed. No car manufacturer is perfect, heck even cars that cost 1/2 a million dollars break down or have things about them their owners find out they don't quite care for or would like to see improvements on. Their forums are full of the same type of information you wind up finding here.

I think where Hyundai needs to make a vast improvement is their general QC (Quality Control) department, to ensure that one Genesis that rolls off the assembly line has just as good of a fit/finish and assembly as the next. For that matter it needs QC across their entire line of cars as it plagues one make of car from them as it does the next.

For Hyundai to be taken seriously as a contender in the upscale luxury car market this must happen......especially with their new Equus due out at the end of this year.

I am willing to accept what few flaws my Genesis might have, though I have not experienced any yet and the suspension in my car as of this time seems to be doing great.

On the other hand my Azera was definitely having all kinds of suspension issues, while the next owner of one had none at all to speak of. Mine was eating up Michelin MXV4 $1100 high performance all season tires within 12k miles, and that was with an impeccable tire balance/rotation/alignment every 3,000 miles. They were so badly cupped to the inside by 12-15k miles that they had to be replaced as a matter of safety. Michelin was kind enough to replace all 4 tires the 1st time, but after that they placed the blame directly in the lap of Hyundai where it belonged.

I guess what I'm trying to say is no car is perfect, and you just have to find what car is right for your needs overall. Best of luck in your car hunting and maybe you will test drive another Genesis and find out that it is totally different from the 1st one you took on a test drive. /cheers

 

[dg_moore]

Interesting - I had an 06 Azera for over 4 years; when I traded it in at about 45K miles the original tires were still in great shape - the dealer said he would not have to replace them for resale. I didn't take any special care with the tires during the time I owned the car - just rotated them at the regular service intervals.

 

[gameday22]

Interesting - I had an 06 Azera for over 4 years; when I traded it in at about 45K miles the original tires were still in great shape - the dealer said he would not have to replace them for resale. I didn't take any special care with the tires during the time I owned the car - just rotated them at the regular service intervals.

Yep, that's where the issues comes in...for some owners they have had nothing but a perfect Azera/Genesis etc. and for others it has been an absolute nightmare. That's why I say it is a QC issue and not something that plagues each and every car they make. They need to improve in this area drastically if they are to be taken as a serious luxury car maker. They also just need improvement in this section in general across their entire assembly line for each and every vehicle they produce.

 

[cheez]

OK,


I test drove the 2010 Genesis Sedan 4.6 w/ Tech pkg from my local hyundai dealer. The car rides too soft and too cushy. It floats and absorbs bumps too well which is a problem for me. I want stiff ride. I could only imagine the ride would be even worse on cars like Buick, Lincoln, and Caddy.. they would ride like waterbed.. and I know for a fact Lexus GS and LS series ride even WORSE. The problem is my current ride is Mazdaspeed 3 which has race suspension so I'm very used to extremely hard ride. The cars like BMW 135i would be acceptable for me as far as the ride quality goes... Anyways, the Genesis rides TOO soft for me and I find difficult to accept this for my daily ride.. I got the deal from my dealer for $518 / month (tax included) but I'm gonna hold on this.. I need to do some thinking.

Does anyone know if Lexicon audio in Tech pkg offers DSP equalizer settings? I want the sound like coming from the concert or auditorium and need crisp clean sound.


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[sandy]

OK,


I test drove the 2010 Genesis Sedan 4.6 w/ Tech pkg from my local hyundai dealer. The car rides too soft and too cushy. It floats and absorbs bumps too well which is a problem for me. I want stiff ride. I could only imagine the ride would be even worse on cars like Buick, Lincoln, and Caddy.. they would ride like waterbed.. and I know for a fact Lexus GS and LS series ride even WORSE. The problem is my current ride is Mazdaspeed 3 which has race suspension so I'm very used to extremely hard ride. The cars like BMW 135i would be acceptable for me as far as the ride quality goes... Anyways, the Genesis rides TOO soft for me and I find difficult to accept this for my daily ride.. I got the deal from my dealer for $518 / month (tax included) but I'm gonna hold on this.. I need to do some thinking.

Does anyone know if Lexicon audio in Tech pkg offers DSP equalizer settings? I want the sound like coming from the concert or auditorium and need crisp clean sound.


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Is the $518 a lease price? any money down? Sounds like an excellent deal.

As far as the ride goes, it's an individual taste thing and it is what it is....so if it's too soft you probably won't be happy. I think the car you are coming from has a big influence on how you perceive the Genesis ride.