Disconnect/Disable LTE

[Thanksegon]

Holy crap. I step away after one question and you guys go nuts. Married. I'd never mess up my G70 carrying dead bodies; besides, the trunk is too small to carry a body plus groceries.

I'm a cybersecurity consultant. This is the first car I've owned with an LTE connection. The controller networks in cars are evolving faster than the protection measures. I can live with my G70 remaining offline until I find a 3rd party firewall I like.

 

[Mcc]

I can live with my G70 remaining offline until I find a 3rd party firewall I like.

And what would this firewall do? How are you going to keep your G90 offline?

 

[Toddasaurus]

I didn't know the G70 actually had an LTE connection? I figured the LTE signal on the screen is just referring to my cellphone, as it shows the battery level on my phone right next to that.

I thought the manual only stated our cars are using 3G, hence why we won't be able to use connected services after a few years as 3G will be discontinued in the US.

 

[Beefer]

Connected services are crappy 3G. Your phone connection is different.

 

[danygenesis]

I think I read somewhere that the 3G sunset in USA will be around 2020-2021 depending on the carrier network. How Genesis will handle this? Connected Services will finish and our head units will be unable to receive data. Should they change the head units in all their cars? I don’t think so. I'm not too worried because I leased and by the end 2021 I will be returning my lease but for those who bough their cars or the ones leasing in a few months this would be an issue.

 

[Mr. Incredible]

Holy crap. I step away after one question and you guys go nuts. Married. I'd never mess up my G70 carrying dead bodies; besides, the trunk is too small to carry a body plus groceries.

I'm a cybersecurity consultant. This is the first car I've owned with an LTE connection. The controller networks in cars are evolving faster than the protection measures. I can live with my G70 remaining offline until I find a 3rd party firewall I like.

you know we were just having some fun at your expense right?

I didn't know the G70 actually had an LTE connection? I figured the LTE signal on the screen is just referring to my cellphone, as it shows the battery level on my phone right next to that.

I thought the manual only stated our cars are using 3G, hence why we won't be able to use connected services after a few years as 3G will be discontinued in the US.

Connected services are crappy 3G. Your phone connection is different.

Connected services on 2018+ are 4G LTE, not 3G we have discussed this here several times,. My G80 is clearly transmitting in 4G LTE and it clearly states as much on the screen when NO phone device is connected to the car. I have never set up my phone through Bluetooth since I use Carplay hard wired.

the SiriusXM and Bluelink data icon on my unit states LTE during a data burst connection when it is loading the Traffic and Weather data when I first start the car. There is also a thread here somewhere where I posted a link directly from a Hyundai Corp Memo that 2018 forward use 4G LTE for the connected services in the USA.. Canada is still on 3G.

 

[Mr. Incredible]

I think I read somewhere that the 3G sunset in USA will be around 2020-2021 depending on the carrier network. How Genesis will handle this? Connected Services will finish and our head units will be unable to receive data. Should they change the head units in all their cars? I don’t think so. I'm not too worried because I leased and by the end 2021 I will be returning my lease but for those who bough their cars or the ones leasing in a few months this would be an issue.

probably same way that OnStar handled the change from analog to digital back in 2005 -

1. For customers that had active paid for OnStar accounts and were under warranty, they swapped out the telematics module for the newer digital one.
2. For customers that did not have active OnStar account and were in warranty they offered a promo rate on the swap, $100 to get an OnStar account for one year and free install (under warranty) for the newer module.
3. For customers that did not have active OnStar account and were out of warranty - the basically gave them the finger and told them $2500 to upgrade the equipment or buy a newer car.

My mother had a 2003 Cadillac DTS with the old analog module and she was in category #1, the new module was swapped in during an oil change service, for that car it was in the trunk behind one of the panels and took about 15 minutes to swap out.



in the G80 modules the Telematics module is attached to the back of the radio, no need to replace the whole radio, just the separate module, IF Hyundai opts to do this, they might just give everyone the finger and tell them to get a newer car with the newer technology.

Those with 2018+ shouldn't have an issue. as I stated above.

 

[Thanksegon]

And what would this firewall do? How are you going to keep your G90 offline?
[/QUOTE I've a G70. Like most modern, connected cars the G70 is a computer network in wheels. A firewall would allow for better control of who connects to my car, helping to ensure the network remains secure.

 

[Mcc]

I know what a firewall does in a normal network configuration but have you really though about how it applies to your car? What traffic it needs to pass and even how to figure that out. Where would you attach the firewall, at what point in the car? Is that point even accessible?

I agree that security is an important consideration, but I think it needs to be approached from the manufacturer’s side. This just isn’t an average network or even computer systems. Do you know of other owners (end users) who have accomplished this?

 

[NLJ]

What are you afraid of? Skynet becoming self aware and taking control of your car?

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[Thanksegon]

I know what a firewall does in a normal network configuration but have you really though about how it applies to your car? What traffic it needs to pass and even how to figure that out. Where would you attach the firewall, at what point in the car? Is that point even accessible?

I agree that security is an important consideration, but I think it needs to be approached from the manufacturer’s side. This just isn’t an average network or even computer systems. Do you know of other owners (end users) who have accomplished this?

I never trust the manufacturer alone with security; I like to know someone is solely on my side. Karamba Security is working the problem aggressively. And I've a friend working on and odb device. You'll see more as time goes by. It's a real problem.

 

[EdP]

I never trust the manufacturer alone with security; I like to know someone is solely on my side. Karamba Security is working the problem aggressively. And I've a friend working on and odb device. You'll see more as time goes by. It's a real problem.

If is is a problem, seems no one here has experienced it yet. Nice that a solution is being worked on, but few see the problem. Could be a tough sell to the non-paranoid.

 

[Thanksegon]

If is is a problem, seems no one here has experienced it yet. Nice that a solution is being worked on, but few see the problem. Could be a tough sell to the non-paranoid.

I get paid to be paranoid. Cars have been hacked already, but their autonomous features were limited so the risk is limited. That's not the case today or tomorrow, certainly. Breaking into the manufacturer then accessing one or more autonomous cars simultaneously, that's the threat. It's just a matter of time.

 

[ephone1]

I get paid to be paranoid. Cars have been hacked already, but their autonomous features were limited so the risk is limited. That's not the case today or tomorrow, certainly. Breaking into the manufacturer then accessing one or more autonomous cars simultaneously, that's the threat. It's just a matter of time.

I used to comp sec, and I think there's going to be a market for something like this, but it will take an incident that get publicity to drive demand.

 

[JSolo]

Two years later, any progress? I've never owned a connected car and really don't like the idea.

 

[Mcc]

Two years later, any progress? I've never owned a connected car and really don't like the idea.

Because?

 

[JSolo]

Because I have no use for any of the connected car features. If anything I'll use android auto (which probably shares plenty as it is). I still prefer a garmin on long trips where I can custom create the route on the pc.

Why do you ask why?

 

[Mcc]

Because I have no use for any of the connected car features. If anything I'll use android auto (which probably shares plenty as it is). I still prefer a garmin on long trips where I can custom create the route on the pc.

Why do you ask why?

Because I can understand you have not use for it but I still can’t understand why you don’t like the idea.

I any case you don’t need to disconnect it, just don’t use it. Simple.

 

[JSolo]

Lol.. The car still sending data back to the mothership. You forget, you (the customer) is the product.

 

[G-542412]

and it is selling your driving behavior to any insurance company that requests it, or anyone else for that matter