Does anyone know if Smart cruise control can be added at the dealer?

[brucemcl777]

I am attempting to buy a 2012 used Genesis 3.8L sedan with the performance and Technology package and I need the smart cruise control.

I have a lazy eye and cannot judge distance well because of it. 6 inches to 4 feet look the same to me when parking or in stop and go traffic. So this would be a great feature for me.

I have found several of the car I want but none have the smart cruise control which was optional on the 3.8 from 2010 to 2012.

Two dealers are trying to tell me they want to add it but my understanding is it has to be factory installed as it involves adding the sensor(s), a different speedometer module, and different wiring as well as brake controls.

With this being tricky and affecting the brakes at highway speeds I would be leary of a add-on done by someone who never did it before in any case.

Does anyone know of this being added from their experience or knowledge?

I would really appreciate any input. Thank You Bruce

 

[EXBMWGUY]

To answer your specific question - no. However, I would guess that even if you could find somebody who had experience and qualification doing this, the price would be $8,000-10,000 before you're done. The smart cruise control module, which I just had replaced under warranty, is $4,500, before labor. My 2C worth - I'd be looking for a factory-equipped car.

 

[brucemcl777]

Thanks EXBMWGUY - I just wanted to confirm my suspicions which you just did

And thanks for the specific pricing - I'll also look into the extended warranty on electronics when I find the right car.

And I won't tell my next door neighbor about your name - he's a BMW factory mechanic.

 

[EXBMWGUY]

Thanks EXBMWGUY - I just wanted to confirm my suspicions which you just did

And thanks for the specific pricing - I'll also look into the extended warranty on electronics when I find the right car.

And I won't tell my next door neighbor about your name - he's a BMW factory mechanic.

You're welcome. I could also just as easily be EXAUDIGUY!

 

[PMCErnie]

The 2012 Technology package for the 3.8 includes adaptive cruise control. The other available package is called the Premium package, not performance.

http://www.automobilemag.com/am/99/2012/hyundai/genesis/38_sedan/3393/prices.html

 

[brucemcl777]

The 2012 Technology package for the 3.8 includes adaptive cruise control. The other available package is called the Premium package, not performance.

http://www.automobilemag.com/am/99/2012/hyundai/genesis/38_sedan/3393/prices.html

Thanks for the correction Ernie on the Premium package - and I see you are right about the adaptive cruise control - except I'm in Canada where we got goosed as usual - here it's an option on the 3.8 and only standard on the 5.0 even after paying through the nose for the premium and tech packages on the 2010 through 2012 models.

But just to confuse us further it is standard on the 3.8 in the 2013 model.

No wonder even the sales people get confused. Unless I'm careful I end up looking at U.S. brochures on the Hyundai U.S. site. We also get exploited on the warrantys being inferior. Serves us right for not paying taxes to Washington.

 

[PMCErnie]

Thanks for the correction Ernie on the Premium package - and I see you are right about the adaptive cruise control - except I'm in Canada where we got goosed as usual - here it's an option on the 3.8 and only standard on the 5.0 even after paying through the nose for the premium and tech packages on the 2010 through 2012 models.

But just to confuse us further it is standard on the 3.8 in the 2013 model.

No wonder even the sales people get confused. Unless I'm careful I end up looking at U.S. brochures on the Hyundai U.S. site. We also get exploited on the warrantys being inferior. Serves us right for not paying taxes to Washington.

Bruce, there are three things you can't blame Washington for: Canadian beer, hockey and the Hyundai warranty/options packages.

Good luck in your quest. One of my Brothers had amblyopia a child, but wore the eye patch and, fortunately, it was corrected.

 

[Mark_888]

We also get exploited on the warrantys being inferior.

Even though it is called a manufacturer's warranty, it is actually offered by the marketing subsidiary in each country (or sometimes group of countries). A lot of people don't realize that the US (via Hyundai Motor America) is the only country that offers the 10-year drivetrain warranty for Hyundai's, mostly instituted to offset the almost disastrous public perception of Hyundai when they first started selling cars in the US. So I think your warranty in Canada is probably on par with Hyundai's sold anywhere but in the US. Of course, detailed warranty terms also differ somewhat from country to country due to federal or state warranty laws.

 

[Philth]

For parts alone, you'd be looking at over $4,000 for them. Not sure if it's really that worth it.

 

[GenesisCaptain]

You could easily buy the parts used from eBay for a fraction of the numbers cited here. Then, you could probably install them all by yourself. It would probably require some dealer time to reconfigure the car to recognize that it has ACC, but maybe not.

It only takes the courage to try.

In my experience, retrofits like these are very doable. You just need to invest a little time into the research to figure out what parts are needed and how they are installed and configured. In my experience, most of these types of retrofits self-identify to the car. All that said, if I were shopping for a new car, I would not buy a car with the plan of doing a retrofit to get what I wanted. I would just buy a car with the feature originally.

As I mentioned before, I looked at doing this for my last car. My stumbling block was the price-- ACC was only offered on select European market cars. So, there was no market in the U.S. for used parts. Therefore, I would have had to have bought everything new. However, the actual installation was plug-and-play. The same with a crapload of other retrofit mods I did or helped others do.

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[JasTheAce]

I am attempting to buy a 2012 used Genesis 3.8L sedan with the performance and Technology package and I need the smart cruise control.

I have a lazy eye and cannot judge distance well because of it. 6 inches to 4 feet look the same to me when parking or in stop and go traffic. So this would be a great feature for me.

I have found several of the car I want but none have the smart cruise control which was optional on the 3.8 from 2010 to 2012.

Two dealers are trying to tell me they want to add it but my understanding is it has to be factory installed as it involves adding the sensor(s), a different speedometer module, and different wiring as well as brake controls.

With this being tricky and affecting the brakes at highway speeds I would be leary of a add-on done by someone who never did it before in any case.

Does anyone know of this being added from their experience or knowledge?

I would really appreciate any input. Thank You Bruce

One of the things to keep in mind is that the smart cruise automatically deactivates at about 6mph. With the issue as described I would suggest looking at a car that would stop completely then resume as opposed to one that you have to take the extra step for.

 

[stuofsci02]

Thanks for the correction Ernie on the Premium package - and I see you are right about the adaptive cruise control - except I'm in Canada where we got goosed as usual - here it's an option on the 3.8 and only standard on the 5.0 even after paying through the nose for the premium and tech packages on the 2010 through 2012 models.

But just to confuse us further it is standard on the 3.8 in the 2013 model.

No wonder even the sales people get confused. Unless I'm careful I end up looking at U.S. brochures on the Hyundai U.S. site. We also get exploited on the warrantys being inferior. Serves us right for not paying taxes to Washington.

FYI.. I am in Canada and have a 2012 3.8 Tech.. It has the adaptive cruise standard as part of the tech package..

 

[Waki]

That's correct. The premium & tech package iNCLUDES cruise control in Canada.

 

[WowCool]

-> brucemcl777

I would suggest that instead of driving a 300+hp vehicle you employ a driver.. How on earth can you be safe with those eyesight issues.. Nothing electronic can replace good eyesight..

 

[Vermillion3]

-> brucemcl777

I would suggest that instead of driving a 300+hp vehicle you employ a driver.. How on earth can you be safe with those eyesight issues.. Nothing electronic can replace good eyesight..

Here! Here! That is all I could think of after reading "6 inches to 4 feet look the same to me when parking or in stop and go traffic."

 

[WowCool]

I also hope the original poster (brucemcl777) has made both his insurance company & DMV aware of his visual impairment..
"Can you imagine looking in your rear view mirror and not knowing how close or how far away a vehicle might be?" What about kids crossing the road on a dark wet night? I shudder at the thought
Sorry brucemcl777 - you owe society more responsibility....

 

[PMCErnie]

Here! Here! That is all I could think of after reading "6 inches to 4 feet look the same to me when parking or in stop and go traffic."

Not to be a noodge, but...

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/1489/why-do-people-say-hear-hear

 

[Mark_888]

I also hope the original poster (brucemcl777) has made both his insurance company & DMV aware of his visual impairment..
"Can you imagine looking in your rear view mirror and not knowing how close or how far away a vehicle might be?" What about kids crossing the road on a dark wet night? I shudder at the thought
Sorry brucemcl777 - you owe society more responsibility....

I don't think that person gave an accurate representation of amblyopia (lazy eye). If you close one eye, you can still judge distances reasonably well. The main problem is not distance judging, but peripheral vision on the side where the lazy eye is (especially if changing lanes into the side with the lazy eye). It is not illegal to drive with vision in only one eye in any state that I know of (but each state has different rules).

Here is a sample of one state I found:

"The minimum acceptable vision is 20/60 in one eye, with or without corrective lenses, and a field of vision of, at least, 140 degrees."​

 

[WowCool]

Well whatever the correct medical label or actual visual acuity the Poster himself gave the problems he encounters..
The fact is when being tested for vision via the DMV documentation and subsequent medical assessment via an eye doctor, All aspects of vision are tested and checked.. The driver then has to pass the visual check at the DMV offices and subsequently a driving test with an examiner.. Whether it's judging distances and or peripheral vision a trained driving examiner can and will detect any problems...They can detect peripheral problems by the way you either turn your head or angle it a various points on the test drive. Hard or jerky braking throughout the test can offer the examiner the opportunity
to quantify distance judgement........How do I kno" this? I was a Grade One
high speed/pursuit Met Police examiner..... I also taught Advanced Driving.
Go online to the London Transport Driving School at Chiswick, London.. Watch the double decker buses run the skid pan.. All London Transport drivers have to run the Skid Pan on a regular basis..........
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VCEnSXq0MM"]London Transport - Skid Patch - circa 1964 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Mark_888]

Well whatever the correct medical label or actual visual acuity the Poster himself gave the problems he encounters..
The fact is when being tested for vision via the DMV documentation and subsequent medical assessment via an eye doctor, All aspects of vision are tested and checked.. The driver then has to pass the visual check at the DMV offices and subsequently a driving test with an examiner.. Whether it's judging distances and or peripheral vision a trained driving examiner can and will detect any problems...They can detect peripheral problems by the way you either turn your head or angle it a various points on the test drive. Hard or jerky braking throughout the test can offer the examiner the opportunity
to quantify distance judgement........How do I kno" this? I was a Grade One
high speed/pursuit Met Police examiner..... I also taught Advanced Driving.
Go online to the London Transport Driving School at Chiswick, London.. Watch the double decker buses run the skid pan.. All London Transport drivers have to run the Skid Pan on a regular basis..........

I am not sure what state you are referring to (or maybe outside the USA?), but in every US state where I have gotten a drivers license (4 different ones so far), they give you an eye exam indoors (not in a vehicle) where they can measure visual acuity to the drivers license standards of that state. That includes testing the peripheral vision. These tests have always been conducted by looking into some kind of viewer and verifying visual acuity by reading the text shown on the display to verify that one complies with the minimum requirements of that state drivers license requirements.

As previously stated, I don't know of any US state that denies a license to those with vision in only one eye, as most people who can see out of one eye have sufficient peripheral angle of view to meet the minimum requirements (unless they have some other eye disease such as glaucoma or other damage to the optic nerve that causes tunnel vision).