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Equus: May not be ready for primetime!

eidderfliw

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Unfortunately, I have had a number of service issues already with my Equus. While I absolutely love the idea of this car, it is in my opinion falling far short of it's potential and to make matters worse, the dealer service experience has not fared any better or even the 'exclusive' factory service but more on that later.

Problems started at about 3,000 km's. The massaging seat system stopped working, had to wait until a complete new seat back was sent from Korea, which took 2 weeks. Not the end of the world but frustrating nonetheless. After getting it replaced the massaging system is noisier and rather anemic as compared to the original one and another I tested at the dealership. So, if we're keeping score, this is an incomplete repair.

Next item was the car has been pulling to the left. 2 visits later, still having the same problem. After a recent 5 hour drive, my arm got physically tired of having to continuously keep it straight. Now, don't get me wrong, it is not that drastic a pull but it is continuous and noticeable. After the 2 failed attempts to repair it, I called the Equus factory line (when I had my Audi A8L, we called them Audi Advocates). While the person I was speaking to was very nice, he was however towing the party line and said that I would have to bring the car to the dealership and show them how it pulls to the left. REALLY? It's simple, sit in the car, turn it on , put it in drive and hit the gas pedal. I have been driving for over 30 years, run a very busy business & travel way too much for my business to mess around with this BS. Part of the allure and ease of owning the Equus was supposed to have been the service experience. Do they think I have nothing else to do? Will my explaining the above process to the service manager in person make it easier for him/her to digest? I'm certainly not off-roading with the vehicle or driving in any manner that would cause the continuous tracking to the left and amongst other disappointments, I am surprised the person who drove the car back did not notice it either time or maybe it was a lack of giving a crap! So, again, another failed repair.

I also had a door seal that had to be replaced because of wind noise at highway speeds. Had to wait for that seal as well. While the noise is better, it is still noticeable at highway speeds. Another failed repair.

Lastly and I am happy to report that this repair was done right. The wiper blades had to be changed. Again though, had to wait until the blades came in.

My wife has a Genesis and that has been bullet proof. We also had a 2009 Vera Cruz with absolutely no problems. I continue to be a big fan of Hyundai and what they have done but feel extremely let down so far. I am in Canada, so I hope the U.S. Equus owners experience with the factory and dealership servicing has been better than mine. I am sure the vast majority of Equus owners have had no issues. Cars being as advanced as they are and having as many moving parts as they do are really modern wonders. So I am not expecting them to be perfect but I was expecting more from the service side.
 
Unfortunately, I have had a number of service issues already with my Equus. While I absolutely love the idea of this car, it is in my opinion falling far short of it's potential and to make matters worse, the dealer service experience has not fared any better or even the 'exclusive' factory service but more on that later.

Problems started at about 3,000 km's. The massaging seat system stopped working, had to wait until a complete new seat back was sent from Korea, which took 2 weeks. Not the end of the world but frustrating nonetheless. After getting it replaced the massaging system is noisier and rather anemic as compared to the original one and another I tested at the dealership. So, if we're keeping score, this is an incomplete repair.

Next item was the car has been pulling to the left. 2 visits later, still having the same problem. After a recent 5 hour drive, my arm got physically tired of having to continuously keep it straight. Now, don't get me wrong, it is not that drastic a pull but it is continuous and noticeable. After the 2 failed attempts to repair it, I called the Equus factory line (when I had my Audi A8L, we called them Audi Advocates). While the person I was speaking to was very nice, he was however towing the party line and said that I would have to bring the car to the dealership and show them how it pulls to the left. REALLY? It's simple, sit in the car, turn it on , put it in drive and hit the gas pedal. I have been driving for over 30 years, run a very busy business & travel way too much for my business to mess around with this BS. Part of the allure and ease of owning the Equus was supposed to have been the service experience. Do they think I have nothing else to do? Will my explaining the above process to the service manager in person make it easier for him/her to digest? I'm certainly not off-roading with the vehicle or driving in any manner that would cause the continuous tracking to the left and amongst other disappointments, I am surprised the person who drove the car back did not notice it either time or maybe it was a lack of giving a crap! So, again, another failed repair.

I also had a door seal that had to be replaced because of wind noise at highway speeds. Had to wait for that seal as well. While the noise is better, it is still noticeable at highway speeds. Another failed repair.

Lastly and I am happy to report that this repair was done right. The wiper blades had to be changed. Again though, had to wait until the blades came in.

My wife has a Genesis and that has been bullet proof. We also had a 2009 Vera Cruz with absolutely no problems. I continue to be a big fan of Hyundai and what they have done but feel extremely let down so far. I am in Canada, so I hope the U.S. Equus owners experience with the factory and dealership servicing has been better than mine. I am sure the vast majority of Equus owners have had no issues. Cars being as advanced as they are and having as many moving parts as they do are really modern wonders. So I am not expecting them to be perfect but I was expecting more from the service side.

Sorry to learn of the poor post sales experience. I am in the GTA also....who is the dealer? Advantageous to know those we should avoid.
 
Unfortunately, I have had a number of service issues already with my Equus. While I absolutely love the idea of this car, it is in my opinion falling far short of it's potential and to make matters worse, the dealer service experience has not fared any better or even the 'exclusive' factory service ... I am sure the vast majority of Equus owners have had no issues. Cars being as advanced as they are and having as many moving parts as they do are really modern wonders. So I am not expecting them to be perfect but I was expecting more from the service side.

I am about to take my Equus back to the dealer for AC/ventilated seat concerns. We just had our first upper 80s/lower 90s weather since I bought the car, and both my wife and I noticed that the ventilated driver's seat cooled very poorly, if at all; the 2009 Genesis was much more effective. Furthermore, I noticed that, when I was first driving the car after it had been in the parking lot for a few hours, the coolness of the AC flow from the front vents varied tremendously when I was moving as opposed to when I was stopped at a red light. When I had to stop, the air became tepid, but it would cool significantly once I began to accelerate. This was not an issue with the Genesis, either. Since Georgia has more than its fair share of hot weather, I am hoping this isn't a persistent problem...
 
Servicing dealer is not the same one I purchased it from. I got my Equus at Kings Cross Hyundai, they are absolutely great to deal with, the purchasing part was quite enjoyable, absolutely no issues there.

Because of where I am located , it is being serviced by another dealership. To be honest , not just the dealership falling down on this one. Hyundai Canada has not impressed me much with their response of taking it back to the dealer.

I know from past experiences that Audi and MB would have better handled this. I had a recurring problem with my companies Ford pick-up and they (the factory) handled that perfectly. At the risk of repeating myself, I am quite disappointed.
 
Sorry to learn of the poor post sales experience. I am in the GTA also....who is the dealer? Advantageous to know those we should avoid.

Hopefully these issues are no more than first year model flaws that will all be addressed for the 2012 model year.
 
Cliffbig,

Re: the seat. I'm guessing it's the massage seat function in the drivers seat that makes it not cool as effectively. I had a Honda Accord that had heated seats, and because the passenger seat had some sort of sensor that controlled the airbag deployment according to the weight or height of the passenger, the seat back on the passenger side didn't heat. In the case of the Accord, it stated it in the manual.

Like you, I noticed it in the Equus (as compared to the Genny) and just made an assumption.

About the A/C...I noticed that my Genny (both of them) did the same thing that you are describing in the Equus if I sat in traffic...particularly if I had just started out and the car didn't get a chance to really cool the inside(and the dash and all) before I got stuck in traffic. Gotta ask...did your Genny have cashmere interior and now you have black?

NOLa
 
Cliffbig,

Re: the seat. I'm guessing it's the massage seat function in the drivers seat that makes it not cool as effectively. I had a Honda Accord that had heated seats, and because the passenger seat had some sort of sensor that controlled the airbag deployment according to the weight or height of the passenger, the seat back on the passenger side didn't heat. In the case of the Accord, it stated it in the manual.

Like you, I noticed it in the Equus (as compared to the Genny) and just made an assumption.

About the A/C...I noticed that my Genny (both of them) did the same thing that you are describing in the Equus if I sat in traffic...particularly if I had just started out and the car didn't get a chance to really cool the inside(and the dash and all) before I got stuck in traffic. Gotta ask...did your Genny have cashmere interior and now you have black?

NOLa

The Genny did indeed have cashmere interior, while the Equus has black. We went to the black interior after having a black-interior Acura MDX for a year and a half; both the seat cooling and the AC cooling have had no problem keeping that vehicle cool and comfortable in hot weather, so we assumed that the Equus would be able to perform equally well.

Our 2009 Genesis maintained cool temperatures from the AC vents regardless of whether we were moving or sitting still; was your Genesis also a 2009, or was it a later model year?
 
Is this REALLY "technically" the "first year" of the Equus? Hasn't this car been selling in South Korea for a couple of years? I don't think we should let Hyundai off on this just being a few "first year" bugs... This should have been taken care of already. Did any of this happen for the launch of the Lexus LS in 1990?
 
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First Year Bugs? You mean like the 09 Genesis suspension was not a bug/flaw? We all see how HMA fixed that issue for all of us that had that problem. There is no service after the sale. $30k or $70k. Its all about the sale.:(

Is this REALLY "technically" the "first year" of the Equus? Hasn't this car been selling in South Korea for a couple of years? I don't think we should let Hyundai off on this just being a few "first year" bugs... This should have been taken care of already. Did any of this happen for the launch of the Lexus LS in 1990?
 
Is this REALLY "technically" the "first year" of the Equus? Hasn't this car been selling in South Korea for a couple of years? I don't think we should let Hyundai off on this just being a few "first year" bugs... This should have been taken care of already. Did any of this happen for the launch of the Lexus LS in 1990?

Don't know about the LS, but the 2010 BMW 750LI shouldn't have these problems, should they? I guess what I'm saying is show me the perfect car and I'll bet you're standing in the showroom.
Read this:
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/car/10q1/2010_bmw_750li_xdrive-long-term_road_test_update
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Cliff,NOLa...

The AC and seat cooling works exactly as it did in my black/black Genny:
If the car sits in the sun all day it takes forever to cool down. I try to mitigate this by opening all the windows for a few minutes (if I have time) before driving off. Today, 90 degrees, muggy, sunny and the recirculate button never turned off during my 20 minute drive home.(I keep it on auto at 72.) Shorter parking times, less cooling time. Never had this happen once on our trip though.

As for the seats, aren't they cooled by air? So if the interior is hot you'll feel less effect? Especially on recirculate?

My last 5 cars have been black/black and I swore I wouldn't do it again because of this very issue. But then the Horse whispered my name. Have I told you that story? Hee.

Finally, once it does cool down from baking all day the AC is actually pretty impressive!
 
Cliffbig

Truth of the matter is I had two 2009 Gennys and one 2011. Now I know you're scratching your heads on that one, but that's a story for another time.

Just because of this thread and a hot day here in Georgia, I paid attention to the cooling. Got in the car after sitting in a parking lot and I was in stop and go traffic. When I was moving car did fine, did less so when I stopped, but this was temporary...meaning as the car had a chance to cool down, it did well maintaining whether I was moving or not. I will note (and this was like the Gennys)-it cools so well, I can later set the temp at 74 or 75 and be quite comfortable. It cycled fairly often to recirculate, but I had the air quality button on, so it may have cycled because of that.

To be honest, I usually forget about the cooled seat function, but yesterday I used it. The bottom of the seat cooled and I could feel it, but the seat back...not so much.


I am curious about your situation, let me know how it goes.

NOLa
 
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My 2003 model 745Li was literally in the shop more often than out of it and I put more miles on loaners than I did on my own car. My next 750Li was OK, but not perfect. My 2008 750Li has been in the shop 3 times more often than my wife's 2009 Genesis which is only 3 months newer. The point is, even the Germans don't make them perfect despite how much they brag. Neither do the Japanese. That is why service departments and warranties exist, and the Hyundai warranty is longer than any of them. The biggest deal was the hassle of having to send it to the shop. A loaner was not always available to me due to timing no matter what BMW or the dealer might claim. I think Hyundai will be better in this regard. Already my wife's first year Genesis only had one problem from the factory on initial delivery. The front seat AC would not stay on for more than 5 seconds. Fortunately it was in the winter so so we didn't need it and they replaced it when we took it in for the first oil change. The only other things to fail under warranty were the interior door handles and one outside trim strip in which the chrome began peeling on all of them after about 2 years. They have replaced all of them that we have asked to be replaced. Lately, the silver wheels have the paint coming off in a few places, but I will tell them to replace them with the next oil change and I firmly believe they will. That warranty is pretty strong. The service has been pretty good. Better than my BMW service. I recently had to pay $598 for a main battery for the BMW 750Li because there was some recordable event in the computer (they claimed) in which the car didn't go to sleep causing the battery to begin its downhill slide resulting in its early demise. Bull Shxx! That was the straw that broke the camel's back. That came out of my pocket on a 2-1/2 year old car that was supposedly on full warranty and a full included service plan. So don't get too mad at Hyundai. Nobody makes a perfect car!
 
The enjoyment factor keeps on increasing. My experience has been, send the car in for repairs, wait a week or so until the figure how to fix it and/or wait for parts, have the car a week and then send it in again for if not the same repairs , new ones, such as in the past week:

Passenger seat belt no longer working, seized up.
Rear window shade stuck at half way point.
Fuel door not working (the car has been in for repairs a number of times since the TB came out that someone should have checked and repaired, I didn't remember but then again, I shouldn't have to).

My opinion is still that Hyundai is nowhere close to running with the big dogs and while it is a beautiful car it is mechanically in my case a POS. I now absolutely regret purchasing it and only wish Canada had lemon laws. My window seal still leaks (3rd repair) and steering is still heavy.

If someone at Hyundai USA follows this site, I encourage them to contact me, Hyundai Canada is like the gang that couldn't shoot straight!
 
@eidderfliw: Send a polite, detailed letter to Hyundai Auto Canada's President and CEO, Steve Kelleher. The address on their web site is:

75 Frontenac Drive
Markham, Ontario
L3R 6H2

Make sure that the letter is registered. Works much better than email or a phone call, in my experience. Good luck.
 
Just to clarify my earlier remarks about Hyundai Canada, dealer service has been great but they are just following the factory lead.
 
I just went online today and searched the inventory of my local Equus dealer. They still have the Ultimate and Signature Equus there I was looking at about 3-4 months ago. They would not budge from the list price and I really wasn not interested in paying more for a car than I really should. Especially based on emotion and lust... lol. I wonder if they would discount the car now?
 
I just went online today and searched the inventory of my local Equus dealer. They still have the Ultimate and Signature Equus there I was looking at about 3-4 months ago. They would not budge from the list price and I really wasn not interested in paying more for a car than I really should. Especially based on emotion and lust... lol. I wonder if they would discount the car now?

My dealer says he's asking about $1K under MSRP. Probably better for "good" customers.
 
The saga continues. Been without the car close to two weeks now, waiting on the seat belt to arrive, as well as the window shade assembly. Also had to change the four rotors that will hopefully cure a vibration issue. The good news has been the dealer service.

Is it just my bad luck with this car, have the rest of you Equus owners been happy, with no service issues like I have had?
 
I haven't had any problems.

The only thing that I and another Equus owner have noticed is the seatback drivers seat doesn't seem to cool, which I thought was because of the seat massage. I don't know if this is an "official" problem or a expected consequence of the massage seat. The other owner was going to get his checked out-don't know if he did or not.

NOLa
 
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