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fastest 1/4 mile on rspec 5.0

On paper and in the hands of a professional driver then yes the Stang should win every time. From stop light to stop light it depends on the driver (especially a standard shift.) Just because the car is fast and car and driver magazine is getting a 12 second 1/4 mile out of it does not mean a lot in the real world. To say that a Genesis has never and will never beat a stang just tells me you guys have not drag raced ever! Especially on a no prep track. I have been drag racing for many years. I do feel that if I had both cars that yes I could get the better time out of a Mustang but there is such a thing as a crappy driver. Hell look at all the videos of the new Hellcat running anywhere for a high ten with cheater slicks to 14's because the driver just blew the tires off!!!! 60FT means ALOT in the 1/4 mile and if you spend you time spinning in that 60ft your time will suffer greatly and you just might lose (to a Genny or what ever else is in the other lane!) But to just say that a Genny has never beaten a Mustang is crazy
 
if you spend you time spinning in that 60ft your time will suffer greatly and you just might lose

+1 Been trying to make that point in another thread! Especially on a slick track with street tires. I had a 90 5.0 Fox body. I could ride the clutch enough to light 'em up, or dump the clutch at low rpms and let it bog off the line, until the cam woke up. Guess what, letting it bog was always quicker, because I wasn't waiting for the tires to hook up.
 
A V6 Mustang can run a 13.7 all day long. I saw a couple post where the trap speed was 103.

Thats high 13s all day long. Especially on a RWD car

The Coyote 5.0 stangs are nailing mid 12s stock

I dont see a Genesis 5.0 doing nothing better than a mid-low 13. We're a lot heavier and the gearing makes it tough
 
Ive witnessed 5.0 stang hit 13.5 and 13.4s all day long in stock form. With drag radials 13.1 13.0. I personally havent seen a stock 5.0 stang run a 12sec 1/4mile. Not saying it can't be done, I just havent seen one do it. In the previous pages in this thread there are youtube vids of an rspec beating a 5.0 stang and camaro ss. Thats pretty much what sparked the debate. Of course car n driver, edmunds n motortrend are just ball park amounts to gauge the car's performance on.
 
amartz. I had a 2002 SS Camaro 6 speed and that was the quickest 60ft time with that car also. Drop the clutch and let it bog then it would take off! If you throttled it the car would just sit there and spin
 
Track times are heavily influenced by DA. Track conditions with DA sitting at 2500 ft could cost you more than a half second (in the 1/4) over ideal conditions.
Second thing is way more Mustangs have hit the track then R-specs or 4.6's. With such a small sample ratio it's hard to judge what this car really can do. To be able to tell how fast a car should be just calculate it's power to weight.
 
I call BS. I drive both. The Stang is much faster. Period.
There is one thing your forgot, there are no definite statements when it comes to drag racing. There are simply too many variables to make any form of a definite statement of what car is faster, or what can will never be beat. I have been drag racing and street racing for 30 years and my family experience goes back over 50 years, so I can definitely tell you that there is never a definite outcome to any race. Here are a few examples that come to mind.

I was at the street drags back about '99 or so at the Rialto Airport Drags (1/8th Mile), my race car was broke so I was racing my daily driver '88 Camaro that had a 190 HP TBI 305, not fast in any way possible, but racing anything is better then watching. A '97 or '98 Camaro Z-28 was lined up against me, for the day those things were fast with 275 HP and a 6-speed trans. That Z-28 was much faster then my old '88, period, end of story. But guess what, the driver couldn't get his launch down and was seriously blowing the light, so I beat him on that first race, he was pulling really hard at the top end and he would have won if the track was 30 feet longer, but I still got him at the stripe. We hot lapped and squared up again and I beat him again. This happened 4 or 5 times before he gave up. That poor '88 Camaro could never win a race against that Z-28, but it did, several times.

My race car was a Super Comp Dragster that I also ran in Super E and Quick 16, I owned the track record for both speed and ET at Rialto. At the time my dragster was running a 632 on alki and turning 1100 HP and 1300 LBFT while only weighing 1700 LBS. A buddy of mine decided he wanted to set the record so high that no one could touch it and he had just the car to do it, it was a Nostalgia Funny Car that was running a 500ci Hemi on Nitro with over 3000 HP. His average 1/4 mile times were in the 6.0's while my fastest all time was a measly 7.0. He was much faster then me, he had much more power then me, so there was no way that I could have kept my record, right? Wrong! He could never get traction and the record stayed in my name till the FAA threw a fit and closed down the track.

Back in the late 80's I built a awesome '76 Camaro for open road racing, this thing was running a 6" rod 383 and would turn 8000 RPM, it isn't much now but back at that time 550HP for a daily driven street car was unheard of. Unlike all of my other builds that I used manual valve body automatics, this time I used a wide ratio M-21 4-speed, that went into a 2.73 rear gear. This thing was aerodynamically limited to 180 MPH, there were only a couple cars made in the world at the time that were faster, like the F-40 and Countach. I was driving it about a week, still unfamiliar with not only the car but also in using the trans, when a guy pulled up next to me in a mild built '66 Mustang. I not only knew the driver but I also helped build the engine in his car. It was just a mild 351 Windsor that was maybe pulling 300 HP through a C6 trans and 3.56 gears. Our cars weighed the same and I had 250 HP on him, it would be fun to show him what REAL power looked like. We were doing 35 when we both hit the gas, his car zoomed ahead, my car went no place, I never shifted out of 3rd gear. I later figured out that this Camaro would run 60MPH in first and shift into 3rd at 120, but in 3rd at 35 MPH the engine that came on the cam at 5000 RPM was idling at about 900 RPM. It would have been a easy win if the driver had his head in the game, but I didn't and I received years of teasing because of it.

So Motortrend and Car & Driver say that a Mustang 5.0 is much faster then a Genesis R-Spec, but I live in the real world and know that there is no definite outcome to any race.
 
Actually - I find what is totally hilarious is that people are talking about tracking a freakin Genesis Sedan! lol. I own one, I like the car. It was a nice enough ride for me to buy it and use as my mobile office / commuter. I love the power and it saves miles on my more expensive cars. It is a nice powerful sedan. But to consider tracking this thing is really funny to me. I guess we all have our thing.....

Anyway - Stay safe and have fun.
 
Actually - I find what is totally hilarious is that people are talking about tracking a freakin Genesis Sedan! lol. I own one, I like the car. It was a nice enough ride for me to buy it and use as my mobile office / commuter. I love the power and it saves miles on my more expensive cars. It is a nice powerful sedan. But to consider tracking this thing is really funny to me. I guess we all have our thing.....

Anyway - Stay safe and have fun.

I have 2 hard and fast rules to life:

1) Every gun I own must kill a Coyote.
2) Every car I own must go down the drag strip.

Why race a Genny? For the same reason that my Mom used to race my '94 Suburban that I used to tow my race car with, it is because racing anything, from a moped to a semi truck, is more fun then sitting on the couch watching others have fun. You should give it a try, the car will really surprise you and you might end up putting a smile on your face.
 
I'm with blkgenRspec, MK 19, amartz and 05king, etc. Mustangs generally cannot put power to the ground without major mods, and the more powerful they are, the worse they handle it. Power-to-weight is very important, and Mustangs are heavier than they look. The question then is what you can put to the ground and move the car, instead of just burning out and making noise. Spinnin' ain't winnin' ;)
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I have 2 hard and fast rules to life:

1) Every gun I own must kill a Coyote.
2) Every car I own must go down the drag strip.

Why race a Genny? For the same reason that my Mom used to race my '94 Suburban that I used to tow my race car with, it is because racing anything, from a moped to a semi truck, is more fun then sitting on the couch watching others have fun. You should give it a try, the car will really surprise you and you might end up putting a smile on your face.

I agree it's fun. I just choose to race something worth racing. The Genesis is not it. Lol. At least not to me. Hell I just dumped my 2014 S550 (not reliable) and it was much stronger than the Genesis with its bi-turbo V8. But I wouldn't bother racing it on a strip.
 
I'm with blkgenRspec, MK 19, amartz and 05king, etc. Mustangs generally cannot put power to the ground without major mods, and the more powerful they are, the worse they handle it. Power-to-weight is very important, and Mustangs are heavier than they look. The question then is what you can put to the ground and move the car, instead of just burning out and making noise. Spinnin' ain't winnin' ;)

I have a 2014 GT and have just ordered a 2015. The GT is lighter and hooks better than the one wheel wonder of the Genesis. Also it has stronger mid range as its winding up. The gears are better. It's 400 lbs lighter with similar power. Yes it pulls harder. But it's a different animal all together. The Genesis is a fun inexpensive large sedan which I don't mine stacking lots of miles on. That's why I have it. And it has a ton of power. Buts it's no rocket from the line with its skinny rubber, over zealous ESC, slow shift transmission and single wheel drive. I'm not saying it's slow. Not at all. But it's not exceptional either. Of course the GT isn't exceptional but it's certainly stronger from zero to way into the triple digits.
 
What I would love to see and would buy in an instant - the Genesis coupe with the Tau V8 and a proper manual - or better yet - a paddle shift dual clutch transmission. Even better with bi turbos. That I would absolutely love and it would sell!
 
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I am noticing a trend in various posts.... 4.6 Tau drivers (with a bit of envy?) making negative proclamations about a car they do not own. I believe those who have said "a win is a win" and beat some variants of a mustang. 😎
 
Ive witnessed 5.0 stang hit 13.5 and 13.4s all day long in stock form. With drag radials 13.1 13.0. I personally havent seen a stock 5.0 stang run a 12sec 1/4mile. Not saying it can't be done, I just havent seen one do it. In the previous pages in this thread there are youtube vids of an rspec beating a 5.0 stang and camaro ss. Thats pretty much what sparked the debate. Of course car n driver, edmunds n motortrend are just ball park amounts to gauge the car's performance on.

The videos say it all... Unless someone is going to accuse the video maker of hiring George Lucas to create a faux special effects video... 🏁 🍻 😜
 
There is one thing your forgot, there are no definite statements when it comes to drag racing. There are simply too many variables to make any form of a definite statement of what car is faster, or what can will never be beat. I have been drag racing and street racing for 30 years and my family experience goes back over 50 years, so I can definitely tell you that there is never a definite outcome to any race. Here are a few examples that come to mind.

I was at the street drags back about '99 or so at the Rialto Airport Drags (1/8th Mile), my race car was broke so I was racing my daily driver '88 Camaro that had a 190 HP TBI 305, not fast in any way possible, but racing anything is better then watching. A '97 or '98 Camaro Z-28 was lined up against me, for the day those things were fast with 275 HP and a 6-speed trans. That Z-28 was much faster then my old '88, period, end of story. But guess what, the driver couldn't get his launch down and was seriously blowing the light, so I beat him on that first race, he was pulling really hard at the top end and he would have won if the track was 30 feet longer, but I still got him at the stripe. We hot lapped and squared up again and I beat him again. This happened 4 or 5 times before he gave up. That poor '88 Camaro could never win a race against that Z-28, but it did, several times.

My race car was a Super Comp Dragster that I also ran in Super E and Quick 16, I owned the track record for both speed and ET at Rialto. At the time my dragster was running a 632 on alki and turning 1100 HP and 1300 LBFT while only weighing 1700 LBS. A buddy of mine decided he wanted to set the record so high that no one could touch it and he had just the car to do it, it was a Nostalgia Funny Car that was running a 500ci Hemi on Nitro with over 3000 HP. His average 1/4 mile times were in the 6.0's while my fastest all time was a measly 7.0. He was much faster then me, he had much more power then me, so there was no way that I could have kept my record, right? Wrong! He could never get traction and the record stayed in my name till the FAA threw a fit and closed down the track.

Back in the late 80's I built a awesome '76 Camaro for open road racing, this thing was running a 6" rod 383 and would turn 8000 RPM, it isn't much now but back at that time 550HP for a daily driven street car was unheard of. Unlike all of my other builds that I used manual valve body automatics, this time I used a wide ratio M-21 4-speed, that went into a 2.73 rear gear. This thing was aerodynamically limited to 180 MPH, there were only a couple cars made in the world at the time that were faster, like the F-40 and Countach. I was driving it about a week, still unfamiliar with not only the car but also in using the trans, when a guy pulled up next to me in a mild built '66 Mustang. I not only knew the driver but I also helped build the engine in his car. It was just a mild 351 Windsor that was maybe pulling 300 HP through a C6 trans and 3.56 gears. Our cars weighed the same and I had 250 HP on him, it would be fun to show him what REAL power looked like. We were doing 35 when we both hit the gas, his car zoomed ahead, my car went no place, I never shifted out of 3rd gear. I later figured out that this Camaro would run 60MPH in first and shift into 3rd at 120, but in 3rd at 35 MPH the engine that came on the cam at 5000 RPM was idling at about 900 RPM. It would have been a easy win if the driver had his head in the game, but I didn't and I received years of teasing because of it.

So Motortrend and Car & Driver say that a Mustang 5.0 is much faster then a Genesis R-Spec, but I live in the real world and know that there is no definite outcome to any race.

Totally get your outlook.. Theory is theory, and a Coyote 5.0 should do better "end of story". But variables and real world execution will change the outcome. When I used to challenge "street mod" cars and still on the street "muscle cars" in late 70s and early 80s with my SD455 (would not do this today because almost impossible to get parts on what is now a serious collectable.. Plus want to keep matching #s), I was hard to beat. I had good street tires that would hook up (for the day), tall gearing, turbo 400, and mild increase in power due to blue print motor and ignition mod. Muscle cars beat included L87, L88, LS6, 396-375, Z28 302, Ram air 3 and 4, 428 Mustangs, various Mopar 383/440/one 426, one actual Ford OHC 427 (who was just playing to protect what was then a uber rare steed). Almost was trounced by Boss 429 with set up that hooked at up all speeds. But he missed a shift and almost blew up that amazing motor. Serious natural air street mods of various types and builds. People could hardly believe their eyes. I am no talented dragster then, or now. The SD set up makes it easy for a decent "Ice Man" type driver in street challenges. Like a SR25 Stoner, cryogenic treated, mild trigger job, with a MK4 mil dot, 168 grain Federal Match. Sub MOA all day long with good breathing non pro like me. Many other cars should have beat me, but did not. And choosing well what challenge to accept, makes for many good winning experiences.

Car and Driver recently had a letter from a reader challenging some outcome with a ZO6 verses something. All the paper specs, the ZO6 should have been faster in uber high speed comparison they had done.. But they had ordered the ZO6 track pack version that had a ton of speed robbing under belly and spoiler aero aids.. Worked well for downforce, but killed it on acceleration beyond 80, and dropped top speed to only 185.. All the drag introduced killed it's paper number theories. So, it's set up hurt it in real world for what they were comparing to. I bring this up relating to my gen one Tau, and the gen two Tau I own. Gen one is slippery in the air.. Gen two has a front end of a brick. Gen one is 500 lbs lighter. Gen two has a even more choked motor. Huge difference in real world acceleration. Those big heavy wheels and tires soak up HP accelerating verses the gen one 18" (it is 5.0 non R Spec wheels). No longer is the gen two a sleeper. Small changes, made huge differences in outcomes between first gen and second gen Genesis. Regardless of what paper specs show for the power train.
 
Sure you can blame the losses on the driver, which is a great possibility. You have to understand that factory numbers supplied by the dealers are perfect weather conditions/ scenarios etc. Mustangs are lighter and tent to spin more during launching, add radials or another type of track tire. The stang would possibly win everytime. But these races were done in the real world, stock vs stock. Driver error or not, a win is a win..

They've dyno tested the Tau 5.0 against the Coyote 5.0 (see Edmund's article). Despite the numbers supplied by the manufacturers the Coyote meets or exceeds the Tau's whp output across the rev band. Any loss the Coyote suffers is due to driver's error.
 
Spinnin' ain't winnin' ;)

*Hey!* That was *my* line!! :p I beat more than one hot Stang, because I knew how slow mine was in the first 20 ft. I'd anticipate the light, drop the clutch early, but wouldn't red light because it was still in shock I was beating on it, just before it woke up and took off. But the guy next to me, who was hooked up much better than I was, jumped when I did, and red-lighted. *So* much fun!! Of course, if he had enough self-control, he'd blow past me shortly after the launch. Still better than watching!
 
Gen one is slippery in the air.. Gen two has a front end of a brick.

I've wondered about that, although actual aerodynamics don't always turn out like you might think by just looking at it. You would think Hyundai spent some time with both cars in a wind tunnel.
 
Has anyone put wider tires on the rear of the Genesis to see how much it helps with off the line traction? That's the first thing I noticed with this being my first high torque car that you have to be super sensitive with the throttle at time.
 
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