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Finally got to test drive a Genesis

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I've been really wanting to get a Genesis ever since I read about them coming out and all the features and whatnot they had, all the reviews on motormouth etc. I finally got to drive one (two actually, I got to drive a V6 also but itw as VERY brief, the salesman only took us out for like 5 minutes on a predetermined route) and here are my impressions of it:

- Engine: Great. 370 bhp is massive for a car that only costs $42k fully loaded with every option, which brings me to:

- Features: Great. Built in nav, super sharp LCD screen, heated & cooled seats, very intuitive iDrive like interface that’s actually useable because of the shortcut buttons around the knob making all the functions a maximum of 2 clicks away. Voice activation of all major functions, bluetooth integration, iPod integration, keyless start, etc.

- Comfort: Great. Super soft leather seats more comfortable than any Lexus or Cadillac I’ve been in. The car is also huge and offers tons of legroom and headroom.

- Handling/Steering: Average. Good for a car this size, handles better than the Lexus LS 430 I tested last year, and actually has a rather sharp turning circle for such a big car (17.8 feet, roughly equal to a BMW 5 series), but the steering does feel a little numb. However, the steering is well-weighted which I liked. I don’t really like cars where you can fling the wheel around with no effort, and so I was happily surprised that they went with a medium-to-heavy steering effort.

Before anyone accuses me of gushing too much and saying I am just a huge Genesis apologist (not that anyone would on these boards :)), I have to admit:

I didn’t buy one. And I won’t, until at least next year. There are a few small problems or features missing that I would like. The first thing missing is a heated steering wheel. This is going to sound really stupid to anyone who’s never had one but the first time you get into a car when it’s ten degrees outside and your wheel heats up and your whole body just feels nice because of that warmth coming from it you will never want to not have one again, I promise. I think Cadillac also offers this, and BMW has for years and I don’t know why more companies don’t offer it. It’s a relatively small thing that makes a huge difference when it’s freezing out. I would also like rear heated seats for the sake of people with me, mainly because it seems like most other cars in the premium luxury class offer this, but it’s not a huge deal.

There’s a couple more small issues too. If you are scrolling through a large list of tracks on the iPod, it scrolls kinda slowly and doesn’t accelerate. Also it uses firewire to charge so it won’t charge an iPhone 3G.

The big main reason I won’t buy one though is the suspension. It’s fine on normal surfaces and even is rather firm in the style of a sports car but the probelm is when you get to a rough road, it bounces all over the place in a way that you would never expect from a car that’s this nice otherwise. If you take it on a rough road you feel like you’re in a golf cart. My BMW has a had suspension like it and never does this, and I have also driven a Cadillac Fleetwood which has the softest suspension ever made and it never did anything like this, so I think there’s something actually wrong with the suspension I think that needs to be addressed. It’s something that I just couldn’t live with on a day to day basis, but I’m really excited for how good this car will be with a proper retuned suspension in it. According to a Mark_888, they are redoing the suspension for 2010, so if that’s the case, if the suspension really does turn out to be fine, I’ll definitely get one. It’s a superb car otherwise. If they don’t, I guess I’ll just join all the old people and get a used Merc S-class or something. By then a 2007 S550 will probably be around $50k anyway, which isn’t a huge difference. I really do hope they fix it though, because you get a huge amount of car for a relatively small amount of money with this thing.
 
Stefan - If you drive another Genesis it may be more to your liking. They do not all manifest the same ride characteristics. The car in general is tightly sprung, but some are definitly "off" and unpleasant. Most seem fine as attested by the number of satisfied owners.
 
I've driven 4 different cars now - all between September 2008 and February 2009 so relatively early production cars - and they all had the same ride issues over certain surfaces. Maybe its a personal viewpoint issue, but the problem is with the car and the variable is the road surface. Supposedly the 2010 models will have different suspension settings and it is rumoured that these changes may have already been installed in late production 2009's.

I agree about the Heated Steering Wheel, although it certainly wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. Use the $thousands you save over a BMW to buy some thicker gloves :D

BTW: I love my Genesis, I just wish they would fix the ride.
 
One small correction Stefan:

It does indeed charge an iPhone3G (using the available Hyundai iPod cable).

Now about those other issues....

Didn't when I tested it, using the cable they gave me at the dealership, the one that has both USB and aux connection on the end.

It played things from my phone, but gave me the "This device is not compatible with this iPhone" warning.

The heated steering wheel isn't a deal breaker for me but I sure will miss it :)
Can't wait for the suspension changes in 2010 if those really happen.
 
Interesting. I drove four 3.8's - two clearly had issues (unfortunately one of them was mine) and two were OK (including the dealer demo). But, as you say one variable is the road. One of them I did just drove around the dealer area quick I guess thats not enough to tell much. Some tweaking for 2010 would be great. I'd love to revisit this car, but probably couldnt bring myself to pull the trigger again.


I've driven 4 different cars now - all between September 2008 and February 2009 so relatively early production cars - and they all had the same ride issues over certain surfaces. Maybe its a personal viewpoint issue, but the problem is with the car and the variable is the road surface. Supposedly the 2010 models will have different suspension settings and it is rumoured that these changes may have already been installed in late production 2009's.

I agree about the Heated Steering Wheel, although it certainly wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. Use the you save over a BMW to buy some thicker gloves :D

BTW: I love my Genesis, I just wish they would fix the ride.
 
Didn't when I tested it, using the cable they gave me at the dealership, the one that has both USB and aux connection on the end.

It played things from my phone, but gave me the "This device is not compatible with this iPhone" warning.

The heated steering wheel isn't a deal breaker for me but I sure will miss it :)
Can't wait for the suspension changes in 2010 if those really happen.

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I've been really wanting to get a Genesis ever since I read about them coming out and all the features and whatnot they had, all the reviews on motormouth etc. I finally got to drive one (two actually, I got to drive a V6 also but itw as VERY brief, the salesman only took us out for like 5 minutes on a predetermined route) and here are my impressions of it:

- Engine: Great. 370 bhp is massive for a car that only costs $42k fully loaded with every option, which brings me to:

- Features: Great. Built in nav, super sharp LCD screen, heated & cooled seats, very intuitive iDrive like interface that’s actually useable because of the shortcut buttons around the knob making all the functions a maximum of 2 clicks away. Voice activation of all major functions, bluetooth integration, iPod integration, keyless start, etc.

- Comfort: Great. Super soft leather seats more comfortable than any Lexus or Cadillac I’ve been in. The car is also huge and offers tons of legroom and headroom.

- Handling/Steering: Average. Good for a car this size, handles better than the Lexus LS 430 I tested last year, and actually has a rather sharp turning circle for such a big car (17.8 feet, roughly equal to a BMW 5 series), but the steering does feel a little numb. However, the steering is well-weighted which I liked. I don’t really like cars where you can fling the wheel around with no effort, and so I was happily surprised that they went with a medium-to-heavy steering effort.

Before anyone accuses me of gushing too much and saying I am just a huge Genesis apologist (not that anyone would on these boards :)), I have to admit:

I didn’t buy one. And I won’t, until at least next year. There are a few small problems or features missing that I would like. The first thing missing is a heated steering wheel. This is going to sound really stupid to anyone who’s never had one but the first time you get into a car when it’s ten degrees outside and your wheel heats up and your whole body just feels nice because of that warmth coming from it you will never want to not have one again, I promise. I think Cadillac also offers this, and BMW has for years and I don’t know why more companies don’t offer it. It’s a relatively small thing that makes a huge difference when it’s freezing out. I would also like rear heated seats for the sake of people with me, mainly because it seems like most other cars in the premium luxury class offer this, but it’s not a huge deal.

There’s a couple more small issues too. If you are scrolling through a large list of tracks on the iPod, it scrolls kinda slowly and doesn’t accelerate. Also it uses firewire to charge so it won’t charge an iPhone 3G.

The big main reason I won’t buy one though is the suspension. It’s fine on normal surfaces and even is rather firm in the style of a sports car but the probelm is when you get to a rough road, it bounces all over the place in a way that you would never expect from a car that’s this nice otherwise. If you take it on a rough road you feel like you’re in a golf cart. My BMW has a had suspension like it and never does this, and I have also driven a Cadillac Fleetwood which has the softest suspension ever made and it never did anything like this, so I think there’s something actually wrong with the suspension I think that needs to be addressed. It’s something that I just couldn’t live with on a day to day basis, but I’m really excited for how good this car will be with a proper retuned suspension in it. According to a Mark_888, they are redoing the suspension for 2010, so if that’s the case, if the suspension really does turn out to be fine, I’ll definitely get one. It’s a superb car otherwise. If they don’t, I guess I’ll just join all the old people and get a used Merc S-class or something. By then a 2007 S550 will probably be around $50k anyway, which isn’t a huge difference. I really do hope they fix it though, because you get a huge amount of car for a relatively small amount of money with this thing.

Stefan,

I assume you describe the V8 model with the Tech Package. I agree with you on the ride comments; Hyundai will have some tuning to do there to bring the platform more inline where it should be, but for most, it's not a dealbreaker. As far as the price, you can actually negotiate a far better deal than $42K. Also, going forward, you'd have a much lower costs of ownership due to the better warranty and lower maintenance requirements than an S-Class. The iPhone/iPod integration is done via USB, not firewire. The entertainment/nav system is sourced from Harman/Becker, which is the same OEM BMW and probably Mercedes is using. I have not tested their systems, to tell you the truth, but I would assume they would issue software updates going forward that would make the integration speedier. However, I would advise keeping the number of playlists under 50 for best performance. If you have over 100, it'll become very, very slow under the current revision of the software. At least that was my experience. I hope you'll reconsider your decision for 2010.
 
Stefan,

least that was my experience. I hope you'll reconsider your decision for 2010.

Well, I haven't decided anything yet, and I was impressed with it enough in general that I'm purposefully waiting until the 2010 is announced to see whether they do indeed change the suspension or not. I would definitely be willing to get one if they do, but if not, it's just not something I can live with on a day to day basis considering I have to drive on some rough roads fairly often.

Hoping Mark_888 is right about the suspension changes coming.
 
The big main reason I won’t buy one though is the suspension. It’s fine on normal surfaces and even is rather firm in the style of a sports car but the probelm is when you get to a rough road, it bounces all over the place in a way that you would never expect from a car that’s this nice otherwise. If you take it on a rough road you feel like you’re in a golf cart. My BMW has a had suspension like it and never does this, and I have also driven a Cadillac Fleetwood which has the softest suspension ever made and it never did anything like this, so I think there’s something actually wrong with the suspension I think that needs to be addressed. It’s something that I just couldn’t live with on a day to day basis, but I’m really excited for how good this car will be with a proper retuned suspension in it. According to a Mark_888, they are redoing the suspension for 2010, so if that’s the case, if the suspension really does turn out to be fine, I’ll definitely get one. It’s a superb car otherwise. If they don’t, I guess I’ll just join all the old people and get a used Merc S-class or something. By then a 2007 S550 will probably be around $50k anyway, which isn’t a huge difference. I really do hope they fix it though, because you get a huge amount of car for a relatively small amount of money with this thing.

Yep, this is a huge problem with the Genesis. The car is nice all around, until you get to the critical components that comprise the suspension.

It's just sad, because they were 90% of the way there, and then just tossed to baby out with the bath water.

The thing about the suspension of a car is you notice its defects or design flaws EVERY time you drive the car. It's the biggest factor in either thanking or regretting you purchased and drive any particular vehicle. It constantly reminds you of this facet of the ownership experience.

This is why I do extensive driving over many road surfaces before committing to buying any car.

The salesmen sometimes look at me oddly when I tell them I want the car for at least an hour, and I've twice been given a demo for a weekend, so I've never been denied these requests, and it's always worth it.
 
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