First service?

[morvegil]

When did you do yours? 7500? I bought the car 2 months ago and I heard someone say 3700

 

[Mark_888]

When did you do yours? 7500? I bought the car 2 months ago and I heard someone say 3700

Depends on whether you drive the car under "severe" conditions. This is explained in the owner's manual.

 

[morvegil]

Depends on whether you drive the car under "severe" conditions. This is explained in the owner's manual.

Yeah i saw that. Nope, i commute 20 miles some days. Ive driven 3k mile sin 3 months...

 

[celltech]

My dealer said the first free oil change was at 3750. But my 2015 had been sitting on lots for 18 months so I went ahead and paid for an oil change at 1500 miles and went to full synthetic.

 

[Genentec]

full synthetic is a waste. and its 25 bucks. don't complicate things.

nobody ever says "my car broke down because I used regular oil"

in fact, there are so many toyotas hitting 300k miles with old fashioned regular oil.

and there a ton of bmw owners who go full synthetic that have problems up the kazoo.

its not the oil, its the engineering and real world testing by manufacturers that make a car last long.

 

[Mark_888]

full synthetic is a waste. and its 25 bucks. don't complicate things.

nobody ever says "my car broke down because I used regular oil"

in fact, there are so many toyotas hitting 300k miles with old fashioned regular oil.

and there a ton of bmw owners who go full synthetic that have problems up the kazoo.

its not the oil, its the engineering and real world testing by manufacturers that make a car last long.

I once owned a 1998 Toyota V6 that was known to have sludge issues, but since I used full synthetic I never a had a problem.
http://www.consumerreports.org/cro/cars/car-parts-and-accessories/engine-sludge/index.htm

Toyota and Honda now require synthetic oil in most (or all) of their new engines. They don't actually say "synthetic," but they specify OW-20, which is only available as a synthetic oil.

Since I change the oil in my Genesis myself, the cost of full synthetic is about $10 more than conventional oil. Walmart sells a 5-quart jug of Mobil 1 synthetic for about $25.

 

[celltech]

full synthetic is a waste. and its 25 bucks. don't complicate things.

nobody ever says "my car broke down because I used regular oil"

in fact, there are so many toyotas hitting 300k miles with old fashioned regular oil.

and there a ton of bmw owners who go full synthetic that have problems up the kazoo.

its not the oil, its the engineering and real world testing by manufacturers that make a car last long.

I merely stated what my dealer told me and what I decided to do. I didn't try to push synthetic on anybody. But you sir, can go drink a case of beer and put 7 quarts of piss in your crankcase for all I care. I am sure the engineering will make it last longer.

 

[Mark_888]

I merely stated what my dealer told me and what I decided to do. I didn't try to push synthetic on anybody. But you sir, can go drink a case of beer and put 7.5 quarts of piss in your crankcase for all I care. I am sure the engineering will make it last longer.

I also just gave some information about synthetic. I didn't push it on anyone.

My Genesis V6 only takes 5.5 quarts of oil. I realize the newer ones require a couple more quarts than mine, in which case I would out another $10 (the horror).

 

[Genentec]

Lol

i merely stated what my dealer told me and what i decided to do. I didn't try to push synthetic on anybody. But you sir, can go drink a case of beer and put 7 quarts of piss in your crankcase for all i care. I am sure the engineering will make it last longer.

 

[lobsenza]

I started using Mobil 1 in my vehicles about 8 years ago. When i did I increased my service interval to the factory recommended interval as opposed to a shorter interval. i change oil myself. The overall cost is slightly more, but not much. Factoring in the difficulty of the Genesis oil change, it is definitely the correct option.

I did my first oil change on my Genesis at around 1200 miles like I do on every new vehicle i purchase to remove any particles from the engine manufacture.

I understand i may be over maintaining, but the cost over the life of a vehicle is minimal. I typically keep a vehicle 100K miles. My maintenance cost typically averages about $0.07 per mile over the life of the vehicle. I think that is lower than what most people spend. I do basic things myself (oil changes, filter changes) and pay for other work. It helps that I have a great mechanic i have used for the past 15 years.

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[kn5owa]

I started using Mobil 1 in my vehicles about 8 years ago.

I have been using Mobil 1 since its inception in 1975 - It's advantages are well documented on the 'Net.

I haven't checked in years, but the increased mpg that I got easily offset the price differential.

 

[SammyPesos]

full synthetic is a waste. and its 25 bucks. don't complicate things.

nobody ever says "my car broke down because I used regular oil"

in fact, there are so many toyotas hitting 300k miles with old fashioned regular oil.

and there a ton of bmw owners who go full synthetic that have problems up the kazoo.

its not the oil, its the engineering and real world testing by manufacturers that make a car last long.

Another gem from Genetec. BMW & Mercedes require synthetic from the factory for their engines due to the turbos.

Synthetic Oil will also:

Keep your engine cleaner
Offer greater engine wear protection
Flow better in low temperatures
Protect better at high temperatures
Protect critical turbocharger parts

Taking advice from Genetec is like taking candy from a stranger in a dark alley...

 

[nickpike]

So, anyone have any idea what the factory fitted oil is? Is it at least synthetic?
Pity we don't attract dealers or technicians (or do we?) or someone from Hyundai themselves. Just to to throw some useful information our way.

 

[Mark_888]

So, anyone have any idea what the factory fitted oil is? Is it at least synthetic?
Pity we don't attract dealers or technicians (or do we?) or someone from Hyundai themselves. Just to to throw some useful information our way.

Dealers (or the techs who work for them) are unlikely to know what the factory fill oil is. If they express an opinion on that, it is probably just hearsay or rumor.

Hyundai Motor America does not specify in the owner manual that synthetic oil must be used. Each country/region importer can specify their own requirements for motor oil, since they are the ones who offer the warranty terms (not Hyundai Korea). The same is true for oil change intervals.

From what I have read, Hyundai Motor Korea has a worldwide joint marketing/technology agreement with Shell Oil company regarding motor oil, so they probably use Shell as factory fill for cars assembled in Korea. Shell owns the Quaker State and Pennzoil brands in the USA, which is why they "recommend" Quaker State in the US owners manual. They probably use QS at USA assembly plants.

Dealers in the USA are independent businesses from Hyundai Motor America and can use whatever motor oil they want to do dealer oil changes, so long as it meets the specifications in the owner's manual.

From what members of this forum have posted over the years, most USA dealers use conventional oil, but some USA dealers use a synthetic blend (part conventional, part synthetic). But I doubt that very many of them use a Shell product (including Pennzoil or QS).

 

[kn5owa]

So, anyone have any idea what the factory fitted oil is? Is it at least synthetic?

The manual at p. 8-6 is worthless (as usual) - merely stating that Quaker State is "recommended".

There a fair number of "confirmations" on the internet that Hyundai is using "Quaker State thru Shell" as factory fill - with some even stating that the oil used is synthetic.

I saw nothing that I would consider to be authentic and reliable on the subject, and until such time, my best advice is to change the oil to your preference - doing it yourself, if possible.

Then, all doubt is removed as to what is inside the crankcase.

 

[Mark_888]

The manual at p. 8-6 is worthless (as usual) - merely stating that Quaker State is "recommended".

There a fair number of "confirmations" on the internet that Hyundai is using "Quaker State thru Shell" as factory fill - with some even stating that the oil used is synthetic.

I saw nothing that I would consider to be authentic and reliable on the subject, and until such time, my best advice is to change the oil to your preference - doing it yourself, if possible.

Then, all doubt is removed as to what is inside the crankcase.

It is very unlikely that Hyundai's assembled in Korea use QS, since it is not sold in Korea. Instead, they most likely use Shell.

Hyundai's assembled in the USA probably use QS, which is inferior to Shell's other brand of oil sold in the USA (Pennzoil).

Nick is in the UK, and the UK Hyundai importer may require synthetic in that area, possibly based on a different oil change interval (which might be influenced by UK or EU regulations). In previous conversations with Hyundai in the UK, Nick said that they recommended Shell synthetic.

 

[kn5owa]

It is very unlikely that Hyundai's assembled in Korea use QS, since it is not sold in Korea. Instead, they most likely use Shell.

Hyundai's assembled in the USA probably use QS, which is inferior to Shell's other brand of oil sold in the USA (Pennzoil).

On 2/28/14, Hyundai announced a "relationship with Shell to recommend its Quaker State Oils". From the 'Net.

This statement is so nebulous as to be silly - and indicates nothing as to so-called factory fills.

I once had a relationship with the engineers who developed Mobil 1 (no kidding) and so I recommend that product. And 40 years of product usage helps a little, too.

 

[Mark_888]

On 2/28/14, Hyundai announced a "relationship with Shell to recommend its Quaker State Oils". From the 'Net.

This statement is so nebulous as to be silly - and indicates nothing as to so-called factory fills.

I once had a relationship with the engineers who developed Mobil 1 (no kidding) and so I recommend that product. And 40 years of product usage helps a little, too.

The relationship was with Shell. QS is not sold in Korea (but Shell brand is). So it depends on where the Hyundai vehicle is assembled as to whether it is Shell or QS.

Here is an announcement of the agreement (for 5 more years):
http://www.shell.com.cn/en/aboutshe...yundai-recommends-shell-for-oil-supplier.html

Here is a quote from the announcement:

"The recommendation covers a full range of Shell Helix products including the latest Shell Helix Ultra with PurePlus Technology. In North America, Quaker State (owned by Shell) branded lubricants will be the brand recommended by Hyundai."​

Note that the PurePlus Technology is available with Pennzoil synthetic motor oil in the USA, but not with Quaker State synthetic. Hyundai and Shell obviously feel that the average Hyundai customer (not necessarily Genesis owners) is extremely price conscious and will be attracted more to Quaker State than the higher priced Pennzoil products.

Given that Hyundai worldwide production is about 5 million vehicles per year, it is beneficial for them to promote a particular brand of motor oil in order to get a break on the price of the factory fill oil that they use.

 

[kn5owa]

The relationship was with Shell. QS is not sold in Korea (but Shell brand is). So it depends on where the Hyundai vehicle is assembled as to whether it is Shell or QS.

Here is an announcement of the agreement (for 5 more years):
http://www.shell.com.cn/en/aboutshe...yundai-recommends-shell-for-oil-supplier.html

Here is a quote from the announcement:

"The recommendation covers a full range of Shell Helix products including the latest Shell Helix Ultra with PurePlus Technology. In North America, Quaker State (owned by Shell) branded lubricants will be the brand recommended by Hyundai."​

Note that the PurePlus Technology is available with Pennzoil synthetic motor oil in the USA, but not with Quaker State synthetic. Hyundai and Shell obviously feel that the average Hyundai customer (not necessarily Genesis owners) is extremely price conscious and will be attracted more to Quaker State than the higher priced Pennzoil products.

Given that Hyundai worldwide production is about 5 million vehicles per year, it is beneficial for them to promote a particular brand of motor oil in order to get a break on the price of the factory fill oil that they use.

Your boilerplate quotations including the hyperlinked website are all about "recommendations", "relationships", and advertising hype. It is beneficial for Hyundai to use the cheapest oil possible for "factory fills" and I have no doubt that is exactly what they do. I still have seen nothing whatsoever that indicates precisely what oil Hyundai actually, in fact, uses. Certainly nothing reliable. No matter what country.

Follow the money trail, as always.

 

[Mark_888]

Your boilerplate quotations including the hyperlinked website are all about "recommendations", "relationships", and advertising hype. It is beneficial for Hyundai to use the cheapest oil possible for "factory fills" and I have no doubt that is exactly what they do. I still have seen nothing whatsoever that indicates precisely what oil Hyundai actually, in fact, uses. Certainly nothing reliable. No matter what country.

Follow the money trail, as always.

I agree that the Hyundai/Shell relationship is about money. Given that Hyundai has to fill the crankcase of about 5 million vehicles per year (that they manufacture), and that requires a lot of motor oil, I assume that they get a discounted price from Shell on the oil in exchange for "recommending" Shell products (which includes QS in the USA).

Since there are no Hyundai's that I know about that specify synthetic oil, I doubt they use synthetic as factory fill.