Found a 2010 NEW Genesis still sitting on the lot ...

[NYCGPS]

Short background : Hey guys, I've been looking for a car for my job (picking up clients), need something more luxury without breaking the bank.

After a bit of searching, some of the friends recommended the Genesis.

Honestly, I never really thought about Hyundai. so I went there and took a test drive. Damn, this thing is actually pretty good, better than some of the BMWs I tried.

but that dealership was being a "bixth" about it : car has only 11K on odo, it was a lease car, everything looks 90% brand new EXCEPT that it got keyed on the driver side, starting from the front fender ALL the way to the end of the car. and they refuse to lower the price and will sell it only at 27K, I was like screw that so I went home. then I start searching around my area for both used and new one.

after a bit of digging (checked like 50 dealerships around me)

surprisingly I found 2 2010 Model at one dealership. it was listed online so I'm not sure if it's accurate. and they only list the exterior color so if the interior is Saddle then no thx ... from the MSRP it seems like it's a Fully loaded model (43K)

So I wonder, if I tell them 34K and no funny "doc/extra" fees. Will they budge ? Another problem with this deal is that I don't think I qualify for any of the special Hyundai Financing, might not even get the competitor discount (1.5K off).

Another thing I noticed is that there are quite a lot of 2011 V8s left around me, over 100 of them, and 2012 is already showing up @ some of the lots.

So now, Should I give it a shot and see if they will sell the 2010 for 34K ? should I go even lower? or should I just try my luck with 2011 cuz 2012 is already on the lot @ some places.

Correction : Both 2010 and 2011 model I saw are V8.

Any input will be greatly appreciated !
Thanks !

 

[Mark_888]

2010 and 2011 are very similar (not many differences). 2012 has revised suspension (more comfortable according to Hyundai), so I would test drive it and a 2010/2011 before you decide. If a 2010 or 2011 is ok with you, it could be a very good deal, but no one except your dealer can tell you exactly how low they will go. There some recent threads about what others have paid for 2011's.

There are lots of dealers (usually unidentified as such) who post on this forum, who may dispute my comments about the suspension changes, so be forewarned.

 

[NYCGPS]

I have been reading the price for 2011 thread, and it seems that the best price I've seen so far is something like around 37000 including dest charge and the 1500 rebate + tax + tt&L

I checked the 2010 and the only deal I can get is special financing.

I also test drove a 2009 used Genesis, not sure what the difference are between all the model year but I kinda have an idea what to expect in a Genesis.

what I'm thinking(still) is, 2010 ? it has been sitting on the lot for over a year (2 almost) and on the Autocheck report it saids the car has 180+ miles on it already, it was either used as test drive car or joy ride with dealer plates on ...

so do you guys think it's reasonable to ask them to go 34K + Dest fee. + tax + tt&L ?

 

[imaphaetonguy]

http://www.genesisowners.com/hyundai-genesis-forum/showthread.php?t=7471

 

[NYCGPS]

Thanks for the link buddy.

so the lowest so far is 34.6K before T&TL, but does that include any "rebate" of any kind? and I assume that the destination fee is included in the 34.6 K ?

I went to the dealership today to see the car, everything looks fine except that the battery is dead + and there is a scratch/keyed mark right below the front left fog light, pretty long too like maybe 12 inches. Couldn't get a test drive cuz the battery is dead and the sales said the manager who has the keys to the service department has left for the day. and asked us to go in and walk thru the numbers. so we did.

in the room, I gave them 33K. They pull the manager out (usual tactics) and explain to me blah blah blah the car has a sticker price of 43K and the best they can do is another maybe 2 K off cuz its litterialy brand new. I just told them straight up it's still been there for over a year almost 2. and it has like 150 miles on it which means it has been test droven for like 200 times.

I think they will budge for around 34K , consider the car is already scratch up. or should I try my luck at another dealership to find a 2011 for around 36K ? quite a lot of them.

 

[Mark_888]

I think they will budge for around 34K , consider the car is already scratch up. or should I try my luck at another dealership to find a 2011 for around 36K ? quite a lot of them.

I would wait to test drive a 2012 if I were you. The 2012 V6 with HP increase should be enough for most people.

 

[NYCGPS]

I would wait to test drive a 2012 if I were you. The 2012 V6 with HP increase should be enough for most people.

290 vs 333 is a pretty good increase.

but will the dealerships even discount "as much" as the 2011? if it's maybe 1000 bux difference then "maybe" ...


and I was reading about some people complain that Genesis's ride is not that "good", I don't know because I'm so used to driving sports car so this is a pretty good ride for me. 2012 is even better I heard. is that true ?

 

[Mark_888]

290 vs 333 is a pretty good increase.

but will the dealerships even discount "as much" as the 2011? if it's maybe 1000 bux difference then "maybe" ...


and I was reading about some people complain that Genesis's ride is not that "good", I don't know because I'm so used to driving sports car so this is a pretty good ride for me. 2012 is even better I heard. is that true ?

Some people have concerns about the firmness of the Genesis suspension. Hyundai says they have improved the comfort level of the 2012 suspension without sacrificing handling. I would wait a week or two and test drive both a 2011 and 2012 before you decide. Make sure you check the air pressure on the tires before the test drive (some dealers deflate tires to improve test drives). I think another factor is the general condition of the roads where you live and what level of isolation from road defects you need.

The 2012 V6 get 2 MPG more on highway than 2011 model, even though 2012 has more horsepower (party due to transmission difference).

 

[NYCGPS]

Some people have concerns about the firmness of the Genesis suspension. Hyundai says they have improved the comfort level of the 2012 suspension without sacrificing handling. I would wait a week or two and test drive both a 2011 and 2012 before you decide. Make sure you check the air pressure on the tires before the test drive (some dealers deflate tires to improve test drives). I think another factor is the general condition of the roads where you live and what level of isolation from road defects you need.

The 2012 V6 get 2 MPG more on highway than 2011 model, even though 2012 has more horsepower (party due to transmission difference).

I will go probably 2 dealerships tomorrow to get more test drive. while the salesman is gone I will check the tire pressure to make sure I'm getting the "right" ride.

one of them has 2012 already so I will ask if I can test that as well.

again, I dunno if it's worth the extra 3-4K tho, cuz right now the dealerships probably won't go lower than invoice for the 2012, but they will go 3K lower for 2011.

road condition? I need the best I can get ! NYC roads are horrible I had 2 blown tire in just the past 4 months ! 300 bux outa pocket for no freaking reason.

 

[tjc78]

If I had to drive in NYC one of the last cars I would buy is a Genesis. The ride is firm and jittery. I had mine in Philly recently and cursed my self for not taking the GF's Elantra.

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[NYCGPS]

If I had to drive in NYC one of the last cars I would buy is a Genesis. The ride is firm and jittery. I had mine in Philly recently and cursed my self for not taking the GF's Elantra.

is it really "that" bad ? it can't be worst than my Mazda 3 will it ?

As the MY goes from 2009 to 2011 now 2012. the Shocks went from Gas-Pressurized front & rear, to 2010's Front SACHS-Gas-Pressurized rear stays the same

to 2011's Front & rear both use SACHS Gas-Pressurized

if I get a 2011, it should be "somewhat" better than the 2009 I test drove couple days ago, correct ?

 

[tjc78]

Ride is subjective. I've never driven or ridden in a Mazda 3 to compare. I have an early build 09 that I consider to have one of the worst combination of firm, jittery, and uncompliant rides in a sedan. I've driven a 2010 and while not nearly as jittery it certainly is firm. I very much prefer a softer riding car and my Genesis was a mistake that I certainly won't make again. It is by no means a soft plush riding car and on bad roads will make you very aware of that.

 

[Mark_888]

is it really "that" bad ? it can't be worst than my Mazda 3 will it ?

As the MY goes from 2009 to 2011 now 2012. the Shocks went from Gas-Pressurized front & rear, to 2010's Front SACHS-Gas-Pressurized rear stays the same

to 2011's Front & rear both use SACHS Gas-Pressurized

if I get a 2011, it should be "somewhat" better than the 2009 I test drove couple days ago, correct ?

Original 2009 model year was very jittery. They made a minor mid-year change for 2009 models (which you probably drove), but I forgot if it was shocks, springs, or rear stabilizer. For 2010 changes were made to all spring rates and all shocks/struts rates, and new stabilizer bar in rear.

As far as I know they have always used SACHS-Gas-Pressurized shocks/struts. Also, I don't believe there were any changes made in 2011 (same as 2010).

 

[tonygxp]

Ride is subjective. It is by no means a soft plush riding car and on bad roads will make you very aware of that.

sounds like you missed the mark with the genesis. it was billed as a "sports/luxury" sedan. not a lexus ls460, lincoln towncar, or cadillac dts. listening to the whining about the ride of this car is so annoying, ruins this great forum where people can discuss real concerns, not them buying this car for the wrong purpose.

i lived in ny for 27 years op. this car will do very well there. if i were you i would choose between the '11 and the '12. but like you posted you're going from an expected purchase price from $33-34k ('10) to $41k by the time you're done. the happy median would be an '11. also, contrary to what some on here may state as fact, there's still another 6 months left in 2011 so don't fear the big bad "depreciation" factor of buying an '11 lol. if you need the latest and greatest then you will pay..


Mark, what dealers have you found that "purposely" deflate the tires to give a false impression of the ride quality? i have yet to meet a NEW CAR dealer savvy enough to pull that off lol. used car dealer? definately. you'd be lucky if they knew what the tire pressure is supposed to be.

 

[tjc78]

listening to the whining about the ride of this car is so annoying, ruins this great forum where people can discuss real concerns, not them buying this car for the wrong purpose.

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That's bulls***. The purpose of any forum is to voice experiences, concerns pros and cons. Like or not, there have been numerous complaints, critics whatever you want to call it about the Genesis's ride. If you want to drive something that rides hard in NYC go for it. The OP mentioned taking clients out, etc. I actually cringe when I take clients in mine, as it really is emabarrasing to me that a car that looks so beautiful and is buillt so well can be such a train wreck in the ride department.

Yes, I'll be the first one to admit, that I tried something sportier than what I am used to and made a huge mistake. I am man enough to admit it. When someone asks ride questions, etc I WILL voice my OPINION and as far as I know on any forum that is allowed, unless this place is turning into one big love fest about anything Genesis. I hardly come here any more and maybe I should stay away.

 

[Mark_888]

sounds like you missed the mark with the genesis. it was billed as a "sports/luxury" sedan. not a lexus ls460, lincoln towncar, or cadillac dts. listening to the whining about the ride of this car is so annoying, ruins this great forum where people can discuss real concerns, not them buying this car for the wrong purpose.

After I upgraded my 2009 suspension to 2010 specs, it is now acceptable on bad roads, but not great. However, I don't agree with you on the "billed as sports/luxury" sedan. Certainly that is what HMA would say about it privately as to what they were aiming for, but there is was no real emphasis of that in most of their advertising. Also, as Car and Driver pointed out, the Infiniti M and BMW are actually firmer than Genesis, but handle bad roads better than the Genesis. I think the 2012 suspension is finally good enough to satisfy vast majority of people on most roads, and an improvement over previous Genesis models. You will have to explain to me why they changed the suspension if it didn't need to be changed.

As to "whining," some of us get tired of being harassed for expressing our opinions, so we don't like your whining about our whining. The best thing to do if you don't like a thread is don't read it.

 

[NYCGPS]

whoa, I was gone for 2-3 hours and this turn into some sort of piss off contest

Anyway, I went to another dealership today, because they have 2 2011 V8 left so I figure I might as well go try it and see how it compares with the used 2009 I test drove couple days ago.

When I got there, I saw the Genesis in the front, but the problem is the 2011 4.8 is in their show room (which is my favor color, black on black), so it might be a little problem to pull it out just to "Test drive" it ... instead, the guy told me you know what, we have 2012 right outside if you want I can get you into that car instead.so it took me less than 2 minutes to get a test drive on the newest 2012. This is a V6 version that has 333 hp.

I'm not sure if it's a common thing but there is always a bit of hesitation at the initial startup. like I step on the pedal, it takes maybe 1 second before the car will "move". well I might be a bit too light on the pedal who knows.

Anyway, the model I tested is a 2012 V6 with Premium Package. I told the sales about the "ride concerns", so he told me you can take that road there go around, that road is pretty rough it should give you an idea how this one handles. and yep, he was right, that road IS really rough, not the worst but "good" enough. it gives me a much better ride than the 2009 model. and it seems that it's even more "quiet" down than the older version. rest of the stuff are about the same.
Now it makes me wanna test drive the 2011 just to see how that handles. but that sales only works there part time and he will leave around 2 and be back around 5pm , I will probably go there again just to test the 2011.

if the 2011 is not that bad 90% chance I will just go for the 2011 V8. cuz I want the Tech Package and none of their 2012 have them, even they do, I'm not sure if I wanna pay couple thousand more just for the "2012" model if the 2011 is not as bad/close enough.

 

[YEH]

^ Keep in mind if the diff. in price is not much more than $1,500 - then maybe going w/ the 2012 wouldn't be a bad choice.

The pre-2012 Genesis sedans come w/ the horrible "Dunflops" - and while some people don't seem to mind them as much, most seemed to have hated them and experienced an improved ride once they switched to something else (also, note that the Dunflops get pretty bad review on TireRack no matter what brand/model of car).

If you test the 2011 and feel that you can live w/ the tires, then, of course, go w/ the 2011 (assuming that you're getting a pretty good deal).

 

[NYCGPS]

^ Keep in mind if the diff. in price is not much more than $1,500 - then maybe going w/ the 2012 wouldn't be a bad choice.

The pre-2012 Genesis sedans come w/ the horrible "Dunflops" - and while some people don't seem to mind them as much, most seemed to have hated them and experienced an improved ride once they switched to something else (also, note that the Dunflops get pretty bad review on TireRack no matter what brand/model of car).

If you test the 2011 and feel that you can live w/ the tires, then, of course, go w/ the 2011 (assuming that you're getting a pretty good deal).

I know the 2012 comes with much more fancier stuff. but I don't think it's worth the difference ----- I can barely get it under invoice for 2012, while I can go 3K-4 below invoice for the 2011.

I will test the 2011 tomorrow, gonna bring the tire pressure gauge with me and check all 4 tire pressure b4 I go. it shouldnt' be that bad. I mean if I can stand the 2009's ride at least it's better than my Rx-8 which has full Ohlins setup(adjusted to almost stock settings btw) with Bridgestone's RE960 A/S pole position.

 

[gtw]

i just test drove the 2012 this afternoon had all the bells and whistles 3.8 v6 they come with michelins 18in with the tech premium pkg,the car is very quiet at 80 mph handles very well,plenty of power, comfortable ,and here in murfreesboro tn,sale price was 39850,anybody in the nashville tn area looking to buy a 2012 genesis see amy hale,nice girl ,no pressuretakes the time to listenwish i had been ready to buy today, that was at signature hyundai murfreesboro tn.