Future models being considered by Hyundai

[Sal Collaziano]

Firmly close the driver's door on a Sedan, then do the same for a coupe. You can tell the difference.

Could this be due to weight savings on the Coupe?

 

[Top Gear]

Firmly close the driver's door on a Sedan, then do the same for a coupe. You can tell the difference.

LOL, you mean the difference between a short door and a long door, a door with a glass frame and one without, a luxu-barge door and a sports car door? I think you're talking about luxury, even weight, not quality. The doors are built with the same quality and tolerances by the same people. Yours is a Hyundai-Kia, too.

However, firmly press your pedals at speed, then do the same in a Coupe. You can tell the difference there, too

 

[YEH]

TG - even w/ the Genesis coupe replacement going upscale, it's not on the same level as the Genesis sedan much less the Equus.

That's not saying that the new coupe will be engineered any less than the Genesis sedan (or the new Equus) as it is rumored to be getting the most powerful version of the new 3.3 TTV6.

Just that the new RWD coupe will be an entry-level/compact segment coupe - a la the 4 Series, ATS 2-door, Q60, RC, etc.

The Genesis sedan is a midsize lux sedan and the Equus a flagship sedan (the new RWD coupe will not be the equivalent of a 2-door Genesis sedan) - so think that is why many are differentiating them.

If and when Hyundai does their compact, entry-level sedan (i.e. - 3 Series competitor), that is the natural partner for the new coupe, not the Genesis sedan.

 

[Top Gear]

You are still talking about luxury (ie. snobbery), not build quality. These are not the same. Plenty of crappy and quite lemony cars out there with leather and wood trim, electric gizmos, and all the luxo-barge extras. Doesn't make them "better" or any higher "level".

 

[scottdk]

You are still talking about luxury (ie. snobbery), not build quality. These are not the same. Plenty of crappy and quite lemony cars out there with leather and wood trim, electric gizmos, and all the luxo-barge extras. Doesn't make them "better" or any higher "level".

The Genesis coupe is awesome, totally. I think what most people are referring to is that the coupe doesn't have the higher quality plastics and padding under the leather on the doors/dash etc., nor the higher quality leather of the sedan. Especially compared to Gen 1 Tech package ultra premium leather vs. the base leather. Not to mention it doesn't have even close to the sound dampening throughout the vehicle. Love the coupe though.

 

[Sal Collaziano]

The Genesis coupe is awesome, totally. I think what most people are referring to is that the coupe doesn't have the higher quality plastics and padding under the leather on the doors/dash etc., nor the higher quality leather of the sedan. Especially compared to Gen 1 Tech package ultra premium leather vs. the base leather. Not to mention it doesn't have even close to the sound dampening throughout the vehicle. Love though coupe though.

That's what I'm getting out of this as well. I also imagine the Genesis Coupe will be missing at least SOME technology that the Genesis Sedan has - as BOTH the Coupe and Sedan should be missing something that the Equus has. The Equus is one level up on the Genesis Sedan. The Genesis Sedan is one level up on the Coupe in the same way we see the S-Class one level up on the E-Class and two levels up on the C-Class. It works the same with every brand. A8, A6, A4... 7-Series, 5-Series, 3-Series.

Build quality should be similar but there needs to be more than simply SIZE to account for an increase in price. The Lexus GS is a high quality vehicle but they didn't go over the top like they did with the Lexus LS. You're supposed to get what you pay for when you pay more...

 

[Top Gear]

Oh, the Sedan/Equus includes more tech and leather, for sure. That's why you'd spend more money on a luxury saloon. I'm certainly not arguing against that. However, the build quality is no different. Don't try to tell me you're driving a Rolls or Bentley just because you have more padding and leather, LOL.

In fact, I'll double down, Trump style. I'm not seeing how the Sedan or Equus are built with any better engineering or design or overall quality than the Accent or Soul. You may bristle at that, but the Sedan/Equus are in fact Hyundai-built on a typical assembly line just like my lowly Coupe is. More padding and leather makes for a more comfortable experience, but it's not inherently a better-quality car. Just as you bought for tech and leather, I didn't buy the 3.8 R-Spec to be comfy and soft, but to enjoy the performance and handling a Sedan or Equus will never have.

So, to conclude my Coupe is "better" than your Sedan because of performance/handling is as silly as saying the Sedan/Equus is better due to a few creature comforts. In reality, the quality of these cars are all of the same high level. Different features, different markets and buyers, but no different in quality.

 

[YEH]

You are still talking about luxury (ie. snobbery), not build quality. These are not the same. Plenty of crappy and quite lemony cars out there with leather and wood trim, electric gizmos, and all the luxo-barge extras. Doesn't make them "better" or any higher "level".

TG - I stated in another thread (on the same issue) that there is no reason to believe that the build quality for the Genesis Coupe is any different, much less for the Sonata, Elantra, etc.

Nonetheless, in terms of what many consider to be part of the quality equation - materials (softer plastics, leather/wood), greater use of high tensile steel, higher amount of sound deadening material, etc. - the Genesis and Equus sedans are considered to be higher quality models (even if it just really means more luxurious).

 

[Sal Collaziano]

TG - I stated in another thread (on the same issue) that there is no reason to believe that the build quality for the Genesis Coupe is any different, much less for the Sonata, Elantra, etc.

Nonetheless, in terms of what many consider to be part of the quality equation - materials (softer plastics, leather/wood), greater use of high tensile steel, higher amount of sound deadening material, etc. - the Genesis and Equus sedans are considered to be higher quality models (even if it just really means more luxurious).

For the record - I agree with you - but I don't care to debate about it anymore...

 

[LandoAWD]

I think you'll find it a hard sell to someone who views the Coupe V6 as "basically a V8", "runs an 12.4" with no mods, etc. The need to oversell is omnipresent with some.

As for the actual theme of quality, not the digression into minutia and semantics, the refined feel in the sedan offerings is actually quite well done. The little things that aren't "to the same tolerances", like the acoustic glass, make a very noticeable difference between models of the same platfrom.

I am actually sad about the future of the Coupe, as they are already tipping towards a price point that I would not consider given other marques in competition. You can pick up a 5.0 GT Mustang for around the same price as a 3.8 Ultimate, and the actual tuner option for those that care to modify is already gone from the platform.

I do hope the improvement in the sedan markets continues, though. I may not like the exterior of the 2g models, but the interior is a marked improvement.

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[amartz]

the refined feel in the sedan offerings is actually quite well done. The little things that aren't "to the same tolerances", like the acoustic glass, make a very noticeable difference between models of the same platform.

+1

 

[amartz]

You can pick up a 5.0 GT Mustang for around the same price as a 3.8 Ultimate,

I would suggest that the Nissan 370Z is more the target, than a 5.0 Mustang.

 

[LandoAWD]

That may be the target, but if anyone is looking for some decent trim levels, reasonable handling, warranty, AND actually discount the Mustang, they'd be missing out.

 

[Dai Uy Ted]

If the Mustang and the Coupe are roughly (not picking nits) in the same ballpark concerning power, price, performance, quality, etc., it's very important to me that I see many hundreds of Mustangs before I see another Coupe.

 

[LandoAWD]

If the Mustang and the Coupe are roughly (not picking nits) in the same ballpark concerning power, price, performance, quality, etc., it's very important to me that I see many hundreds of Mustangs before I see another Coupe.

That is a fair point, and one of the reasons I got the Coupe initially. The styling is fantastic, and it's not something you see at every fill-up.